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Gerald Pollack-Electrically Structured Water

pranarupa

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Part 1
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGCMQ8TJ_g[/media]

Part 2
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqHWueBp23c[/media]

Part 2 discusses EZ (exclusion zone) effects in joints, injury, blood circulation, and briefly mentions aspirin as a water structuring agent. Theres also a fair bit on infrared as source of structuring energy.
 

tinkerer

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GERALD POLLACK: Electrically Structured Water, Part 1 | EU 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGCMQ8TJ_g

The Fourth Phase of Water: Dr. Gerald Pollack at TEDxGuelphU
http://youtu.be/i-T7tCMUDXU

Here is some new research providing further evidence for the phenomenon:

When a solid material is immersed in liquid, the liquid next to the object is molecularly different than the bulk, and when this surface is charged it can spur even further changes, DOE/Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory reported. ...

Water next to the electrode has a different molecular structure than it would in the absence of the electrode." The team found the structure of the water is limited to the first two layers above the surface spanning only about one nanometer.

– Rebekah Marcarelli, Oct. 24, 2014, http://www.hngn.com/articles/47038/2014 ... t-time.htm
NCSU physics professor Jacqueline Krim called the members of the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories “among an elite group worldwide.” http://www.ewp.rpi.edu/hartford/~ernest ... iction.pdf

"The forces between surfaces in a liquid medium can be particularly complex at short range, i.e., at surface separations below a few nanometers or 4–10 molecular diameters. This is partly because, with increasing confinement, a liquid ceases to behave as a structureless continuum with bulk properties; instead, the size and shape of its molecules begin to determine the overall interaction. In addition, the surfaces themselves can no longer be treated as inert and structureless walls (i.e., mathematically flat) and their physical and chemical properties at the atomic scale must now be taken into account. The force laws will then depend on whether the surfaces are amorphous or crystalline (and whether the lattices of crystalline surfaces are matched or not), rough or smooth, rigid or soft (fluidlike), and hydrophobic or hydrophilic."

- Marina Ruths and Jacob N. Israelachvili, Surface Forces and Nanorheology of Molecularly Thin Films in Nanotribology and Nanomechanics II: Nanotribology, Biomimetics, and Industrial Applications by Bharat Bhushan, 2011, http://www.springer.com/978-3-642-15262-7

“Pollack's research explains quite a few of the surprising properties of water. The implications are enourmous. Interestingly, EZ water is similar to other findings. However, the more dogmatic scientists will probably have to retire before this becomes mainstream : ) More reasearch is needed, too!’ – Prof. Ralf Otterpohl

Structured water initially sounded like a hoax to me, and it does to a lot of others when first hearing of it. This probably hinders research in to it. I'm intrigued by the research so far on it.
 

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The research on this is very preliminary, so even Prof. Pollack himself is not sure what the health benefits might be. I have seen suggestions of potential for reduced joint inflammation and pain, cell/tissue/muscle injury healing, and improved blood circulation. My guess is that since human cells are 99% water, the overall potential is much greater.

Prof. Pollack had a failed campaign to raise money for more research on structured water's potential health benefits:

Can Water Cure Disease?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/can- ... re-disease

Unfortunately, "structured water" sounds too much like past hoaxes and failed research (and this resemblance initially turned me off too), so it's difficult to get funding. Ray Peat has cited Prof. Pollack's work [on structured water] on multiple occasions. I wish Pollack had also not connected himself to Dr. Mercola, who has been hoodwinked by some scams in the past and is a big marketer of products. Nonetheless, here is some info on the potential benefits of structured water (aka EZ water), from Mercola's site, FWIW:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... water.aspx
 

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I think it doesn't help that G.Pollack referred to an Indian swami who it was alleged got all his nourishment from sunlight, seemingly never needing food. Paranormal connections like that probably make a lot of scientists back up a little. Maybe he was being tongue and cheek, I can't tell, but even Mercola seems credible compared to that.

Yet despite it I think Pollack's work is fascinating and I grit my teeth a little when he and his team's observations get labeled as hoax. There's also a huge difference between the observations and the hype claims on the net made for it by huxters, and one is tarred by the other. Guilt by association I suppose.
 

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Spokey said:
I think it doesn't help that G.Pollack referred to an Indian swami who it was alleged got all his nourishment from sunlight, seemingly never needing food. Paranormal connections like that probably make a lot of scientists back up a little. Maybe he was being tongue and cheek, I can't tell, but even Mercola seems credible compared to that.
Yeah, if he was serious then that is super bogus. Do you remember where you saw that?

Yet despite it I think Pollack's work is fascinating and I grit my teeth a little when he and his team's observations get labeled as hoax. There's also a huge difference between the observations and the hype claims on the net made for it by huxters, and one is tarred by the other. Guilt by association I suppose.
Yeah, it's difficult to separate the science from the nonsense. The same thing happens with fractals. Eccentrics (like me :lol: ) are attracted to unusual natural phenomena like that.

I admit I was still rather skeptical of Pollack until I saw that one of the top labs in the world is investigating quite similar stuff. When Pollack said that homeopathy involves the same phenomenon, I was ready to dismiss him. I get the sense that he knows some science, yet is also attracted to new age woo. Prof. Otterpohl also works at a new-agey university. Or maybe it'll turn out that there is something to homeopathy after all, somehow. It's so far-fetched, I suspect that the only connection will be by coincidental similarity.

It's still also possible that Pollack is just well-read on the subject and able to use a lot of the jargon and make it look like he's doing research similar to that of the Berkeley lab. I do wonder why I haven't seen any connection between him and the Berkeley lab. I also wonder why Pollack doesn't pick one simple health effect (say joint inflammation or acne or something) and test EZ with it. Even anecdotal results or a small exploratory study would be a start, which might generate interest in more formal testing. If I were him, I would be curious to test EZ water on myself and report the findings, like Seth Roberts used to (granted, Seth did die, but it doesn't sound like EZ water is dangerous).

Hmmm, this doesn't look good either--an MD/PhD who touted Pollack's work in his book (Stealth Adapted Viruses) turned out to be a quack - W. John Martin Stripped of License -- Is All His Work Bogus? http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/Johnmartin.html

I see another fishy thing is that Prof. Pollack apparently self-publishes his books. The more I look into it, the more red flags that are coming up. Feel free to share any explanations you may know about.

Even if Pollack turns out to be bogus, I doubt that the Berkeley lab will, so I'll keep my eye open for new findings in the field.
 

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Oh, oh, H2O3--which Pollack has talked about--was something that "structure-altered" water and alkaline water hoaxers used to also talk about:

Water Cluster Quackery
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html

And some still do:

http://www.h2o3.al/eng

And some hoaxers use Pollack's exact term "structured water":

Magic Water
http://archive.randi.org/site/index.php ... water.html

And British pharmacologist David Colquhoun accused Pollack's colleague Mae Wan-Ho and her organization, ISIS, of promoting pseudoscience: http://www.dcscience.net/?p=129
 

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Whatever point Gerald Pollack may have gets completely brandished by his frighteningly unscientific behavior in this "talk".
If this were normal behavior in US professors it would prove the education system is seriously flawed.

He starts with some basic observations that should nicely be reproducible by almost anyone at home. Nice!
Rather then trying to go on and explain these observations scientifically - which would have been interesting but obviously hasn't been done or even attempted - he jumps to wild conclusions and potential that are coming out of pure fantasy. Wishful thinking is the nicest term to describe this.

As it stands there it is absolutely a waste of time and on the same level of someone presenting a free energy motor.

And I can not help but recognize similar jumps and conclusions in some of Ray's statements. But I wouldn't put him on the same level, yet. Admittedly he is very careful in stating any generalisation and that is normally a sign someone is aware that his hypotheses are nothing but that and need to be empirically examined.
 

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my nuts produce plenty of electrically structured water

when it comes to health advice, you SHOULD trust the book by its cover...and in this case, I dont
 
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