Generative Energy # 9: A Bioenergetic View Of Weight Loss (with Haidut)

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deeri681 said:
post 110414 Hi Haidut,

Do you have the research articles that sites palmitic acid, Stearic acid, and lauric acid as the saturated fats that do not inhibit pyruvate dehydrogenase?

Thank so much,

Kate

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/re ... tion.shtml
"...Saturated fats activate the pyruvate dehydrogenase enzyme that is essential for the efficient use of glucose, while PUFA block it. (The MRL mouse strain has a high regenerative ability, associated with a retained tendency to metabolize glucose rather than fatty acids.) The negative energetic effects of PUFA include interfering with thyroid and progesterone. The energy resources are suppressed, at the same time that the inflammatory signals are amplified, and many regulatory pathways (including the replenishment of NAD from tryptophan) are diverted."

http://www.jlr.org/content/44/11/2135.full.pdf
"...It has been shown that dietary PUFA caused a marked inhibitory effect on total and active pyruvate dehydrogenase complex (47). TCC represents a link between carbohydrate catabolism and fatty acid synthesis (48)".

Soy oil increases pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase, which inhibits pyruvate dehydrogenase.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0132672
"...One of these genes, Pdk4, which was upregulated in SO-HFD livers, is known to inhibit the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex that links the TCA cycle with glucose and fatty acid metabolism. Repression of the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex shifts the balance towards gluconeogenesis which could result in hyperglycemia [76]."
 
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In terms of keeping stress low while loosing fat.

How would you approach meal frequency and setup? like when is the times when the most stress occurs or are at its highest?
 

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post 118181 In terms of keeping stress low while loosing fat.

How would you approach meal frequency and setup? like when is the times when the most stress occurs or are at its highest?

Stress is highest at night. Cortisol and serotonin begin to rise as soon as the sun sets and cortisol peaks in early morning around 7am-8am. Early morning is when most very sick people die. So, eating a decent meal with saturated fat and sugar before going to bed is probably the best way to limit the stress response. I also posted a study showing cyproheptadine completely blocked the rise of stress hormones at night.
 
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superhuman said:
post 118181 In terms of keeping stress low while loosing fat.

How would you approach meal frequency and setup? like when is the times when the most stress occurs or are at its highest?

Stress is highest at night. Cortisol and serotonin begin to rise as soon as the sun sets and cortisol peaks in early morning around 7am-8am. Early morning is when most very sick people die. So, eating a decent meal with saturated fat and sugar before going to bed is probably the best way to limit the stress response. I also posted a study showing cyproheptadine completely blocked the rise of stress hormones at night.

Thanx. I guess breakfast also is super important with sugar and protein to lower the stress hormones wich is at its peak
 
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Generative Energy + Haidut #3: A Bioenergetic View of Weight Loss



I think the male fertility problem in Japan is more due to their diet's being deficient in zinc and Vitamin A, while masturbating excessively and being socially isolated. A really bad combo for natural androgen production.

The same thing is happening in every modern nation to a degree. A lot of males are eating poorly and ejaculating way too much. The result is they become infertile, hypothyroid, and lose their libido.

Great points!
 

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Generative Energy + Haidut #3: A Bioenergetic View of Weight Loss



Exactly. Gross generalizations. People are different just a few miles away from each other, never mind a whole country being all the same. The city I grew up in, the people are very different from people who live only about 10 miles away. And it's not a race or ethnicity thing, its a class/culture thing because the race is the same.

Living on the west coast of the US now, where the most Asian Americans are, I can tell you that not all Asian men are feminine celibate wimps. Go to any gym on the west coast and you'll see masculine men of the Asian ethnicity. Outside of gyms you can be in any setting and find rowdy Asian guys just like anyone else.

The feminine Japanese men people are talking about here is akin to the white American "Emo" guys.

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Cruel irony...
Lol, you realize that young guy in the photo probably has GREAT hormone function right? So you don't like his hairstyle, get over it. If you can do what he's doing with his hair then you definitely don't have a hormonal problem. The guy has great skin and hair, that's good hormone function, not bad. Take a look under his chin, zero double-chin fat he's probably lean all over.

Take a look at photos of guys from the 1940's, 1920's etc, back when they are said to have had higher test, what did those guys look like? a bunch of bloated faced bald power-lifters? no, they looked like a bunch of hipsters. There's a reason hipsters appropriate fashions form those periods, because they can pull it off, and so could you if you had high test AND progesterone, which is what a young healthy guy has.

Bold-face, italicize, and underline the following: "High estrogen does NOT make a guy look feminine in the face, it gives him a bald head, b**** ***s, a fat belly and a limp ****"

Take a look at Alex Jones, THAT is what high estrogen looks like.

If young guys are lean, and they have great skin and hair, and they are jerking off to porn, guess what? they have good hormone function.

Racial differences exist. Asian men are simply more anrogynous than european men, whether they like it or not, north east asians, have less sexual dimorphism that other races, due to many tens of thousands of years of civilizational evolution. Most of them don't seem to have a problem with this. And if you could look in your twenties into your forties, you wouldn't either.

The simple fact is that the same hormones that give a guy a good lean body, actually make him look more feminine in the face, relative to his bone structure that is*. Why does a guy look more androgynous when he's 21, than he does when he's 31? His test and prog are both WAY higher in his younger years.

Look, I get the jealousy, guys like to look at the boy bands with their great hair and skin and pretty features ( and sixpack, that's feminine right?...) and just huff and say 'Fa**oT" yes, they must be, why else would girls go crazy...

But if you want to improve your health, look to restoring youthful hormones, it will probably make you more androgynous in the face, that's all. NOT to mention getting rid of grumpy-old-man low-test high estrogen hissy fits, that too many ( older ) guys THINK are masculine displays of virility...

Not trying to star a war with you or anything, and Ima-let-you-finish, but...there's too much politicising of health and even individual hormones.

*On bone structure, the real reason some guys look different to others? Ancestral heritage, that's why. No, Brock Lesnar and Martin Freeman ( The Hobbit ) don't differ in looks because of what their granma's ate or whether their granpa's took their sons hunting and taught them how to box. Different human groups are simply different, that's all, and the variance seems to exist among many racial groups too. Now these physical differences may ( and I suspect do ) correlate to differing hormone levels, but correlation is NOT causation, the real reason, is simply racial sub-group heritage.
 

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I had my best hair while feeling very stressed and like total crap overall, erections were crap and libido was scarce. I ruminated an awful on a lot of topics too, had no confidence either.
 

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I’ve listened to this podcast quite few times in the past year and am still trying to learn about the “perfect” diet the allows for fat loss while minimizes stress and maximizes caloric intake.

From the podcast, my understanding that this sort of diet would involve: 1. minimizing stress, 2. minimizing (but not eliminating) lipolysis, 3. eliminating PUFA, and 4. reducing fat remarkably in favor of carbs.

It makes sense and there’s evidence that supports it (i.e., de novo lipogenesis being quite rare, the liver glucuronidatig fatty acids, carbs but not fat upregulating thyroid and blunting stress)

I’m left with one question though: how low do we cut fat?
 

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I’ve listened to this podcast quite few times in the past year and am still trying to learn about the “perfect” diet the allows for fat loss while minimizes stress and maximizes caloric intake.

From the podcast, my understanding that this sort of diet would involve: 1. minimizing stress, 2. minimizing (but not eliminating) lipolysis, 3. eliminating PUFA, and 4. reducing fat remarkably in favor of carbs.

It makes sense and there’s evidence that supports it (i.e., de novo lipogenesis being quite rare, the liver glucuronidatig fatty acids, carbs but not fat upregulating thyroid and blunting stress)

I’m left with one question though: how low do we cut fat?

@haidut have any input?
 

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@haidut have any input?

Did you search the forum? This question must have come up 100 times before and keeps coming up. There is probably no ideal ratio and thus no perfect diet aside from avoiding PUFA and making good choices at every meal subject to limitations on what is available. Peat said in healthy people fat/protein/sugar could be equal (33/33/33 percent of calories). In hypo people the fat intake should probably be below 20% to support thyroid synthesis and conversion.
 

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