Generative Energy #33: Optimizing The Environment With Ray Peat

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Why would the healthcare industry update a CT to see if the metal plates from the hip replacement surgery is blinding the technician from seeing if the bladder is leaking due to the metal plate in the first place ? Because the healthcare industry is more interested (financially) to continue a harmful practice then to change its method, or to just stop the practice in general.
Do you have the knowledge to guide us into a future where hip replacements for AVN and cystograms for leaking bladders are dispensable, or will you continue to malign the leaders from your desk chair?
 

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reading this thread is like watching a tennis match. left /right/left /right. meanwhile the guys selling the tickets are laughing their heads off.

Read the works of Anthony Sutton. Both Marxism and Fascism where funded and controlled by the same ruling elite whose goal is to destroy the middle class and regain their absolute power over the masses. Today we have the dialectics of socialism and monopoly capitalism to take their place. Not surprisingly both of these are also designed to destroy the middle class.

Breaking up the large corporations while at the same time reducing the role of government would be a big part of the solution but no political party is actually pushing for that agenda beyond a few pied pipers like Rand Paul.
 

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reading this thread is like watching a tennis match. left /right/left /right. meanwhile the guys selling the tickets are laughing their heads off.

Read the works of Anthony Sutton. Both Marxism and Fascism where funded and controlled by the same ruling elite whose goal is to destroy the middle class and regain their absolute power over the masses. Today we have the dialectics of socialism and monopoly capitalism to take their place. Not surprisingly both of these are also designed to destroy the middle class.

Breaking up the large corporations while at the same time reducing the role of government would be a big part of the solution but no political party is actually pushing for that agenda beyond a few pied pipers like Rand Paul.

So basically as long as you classify arguments within a strict box of "left" or "right" - regardless of whether those backing them identify as those - you can be above said arguments without having to argue? So you want to temporarily increase the roll of government to break up corporations, and then roll it back to conform to your "red
 

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So basically as long as you classify arguments within a strict box of "left" or "right" - regardless of whether those backing them identify as those - you can be above said arguments without having to argue? So you want to temporarily increase the roll of government to break up corporations, and then roll it back to conform to your "red
I’m sure our next batch of hand picked messiahs will turn things around and solve all of our problems. In the mean time here are a couple of quotes you may wish to think about.

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.” Carroll Quigley Georgetown Professor and mentor to Bill Clinton.

“Meet the new boss; Same as the old boss.” Pete Townshend - another underappreciated political realist

It doesn’t matter whether I, they, or anyone else sees them as left vs right or up vs down; the point is that it is an illusion. They all work for the same team.
 
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Had a chance to listen to this.

Peat definitely gets some things backwards in my opinion.

Competition and cooperation often go hand in hand. Playing a basketball game is competitive, yet there is cooperation among the players. Theoretically, in a corporation, you are competing with other corporations, yet cooperative within your corporation. Yet that does not happen, and Peat makes a good point about this coming from this hypocrisy around America's business environment which says competition is one of its values, yet uses the government to drive away competition. This drives the competition among corporations to competition within corporations, and then you get the separation of top from below, the backstabbing, the terrible corporate culture, etc.

Just imagine you said that from now on, only the Bulls can win at basketball games. We would very quickly see the cooperation among players dissolve into in fighting as position within the Bulls became paramount to individual success.

-His point about Marxism taking its ethics from Christianity is somewhat correct, but his conclusion that if you are Christian you start thinking like Marx is so wrong. Marxism is imposed from above by force. Christianity builds communities from the ground up by emphasizing free will and choosing to help the poor, turn your cheek, etc. Marxism takes these and Gulags you if you don't(or do!) toe the line. Christianity is bottom up, Marx is top down, and this makes all the difference.

-He thinks the idea that welfare is bad for society is made up to put down the do-gooders? Did I hear that one right?

-He talks a lot about stability. I would really love to hear about his definition of that on a macro level, not biology. Something like, the more stable you are, the faster you can run! Just something pragmatic.

- I loved his line about your mother's nutrition and your prenatal environment making you either an eating machine, or an experiencing machine. That was pretty good.

-He downs on Condoleezza Rice, but she is actually a very talented pianist and pretty impressive for her achievements, irregardless of politics.

Other then the few points above, it is pretty much Peat. I am pretty disappointed at the first part of this episode though. I am inspired by him, and what may be possible in health, culture, and government. I know there are many problems we face. On the other hand, I have more freedom and ability to express myself then I think most people have had in history, and I know my culture is apart of what has made that possible. I also really get frustrated at times with how utopian/theoretical Peat is. Hmm.
 

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Had a chance to listen to this.

Peat definitely gets some things backwards in my opinion.

Competition and cooperation often go hand in hand. Playing a basketball game is competitive, yet there is cooperation among the players. Theoretically, in a corporation, you are competing with other corporations, yet cooperative within your corporation. Yet that does not happen, and Peat makes a good point about this coming from this hypocrisy around America's business environment which says competition is one of its values, yet uses the government to drive away competition. This drives the competition among corporations to competition within corporations, and then you get the separation of top from below, the backstabbing, the terrible corporate culture, etc.

Just imagine you said that from now on, only the Bulls can win at basketball games. We would very quickly see the cooperation among players dissolve into in fighting as position within the Bulls became paramount to individual success.

-His point about Marxism taking its ethics from Christianity is somewhat correct, but his conclusion that if you are Christian you start thinking like Marx is so wrong. Marxism is imposed from above by force. Christianity builds communities from the ground up by emphasizing free will and choosing to help the poor, turn your cheek, etc. Marxism takes these and Gulags you if you don't(or do!) toe the line. Christianity is bottom up, Marx is top down, and this makes all the difference.

-He thinks the idea that welfare is bad for society is made up to put down the do-gooders? Did I hear that one right?

-He talks a lot about stability. I would really love to hear about his definition of that on a macro level, not biology. Something like, the more stable you are, the faster you can run! Just something pragmatic.

- I loved his line about your mother's nutrition and your prenatal environment making you either an eating machine, or an experiencing machine. That was pretty good.

-He downs on Condoleezza Rice, but she is actually a very talented pianist and pretty impressive for her achievements, irregardless of politics.

Other then the few points above, it is pretty much Peat. I am pretty disappointed at the first part of this episode though. I am inspired by him, and what may be possible in health, culture, and government. I know there are many problems we face. On the other hand, I have more freedom and ability to express myself then I think most people have had in history, and I know my culture is apart of what has made that possible. I also really get frustrated at times with how utopian/theoretical Peat is. Hmm.
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I loved his line about your mother's nutrition and your prenatal environment making you either an eating machine, or an experiencing machine. That was pretty good.

What did he mean by this: eating vs experiencing machine?
 

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-His point about Marxism taking its ethics from Christianity is somewhat correct, but his conclusion that if you are Christian you start thinking like Marx is so wrong. Marxism is imposed from above by force. Christianity builds communities from the ground up by emphasizing free will and choosing to help the poor, turn your cheek, etc. Marxism takes these and Gulags you if you don't(or do!) toe the line. Christianity is bottom up, Marx is top down, and this makes all the difference.

That's the perennial argument communist zealots have used for decades.

And of course, they never, ever mention the terrible repression of the Christian churches (both orthodox and catholic) in communist countries like Russia.

This is where you really prove beyond any doubt the lefty sympathies of Peat.
 

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According to Ray’s theory, living closer to the equator would allow those people in that society to become large brain animals and be cooperative with one another. How come that is not the result of societies living in those areas?
 

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I'll give you a whirl if you don't tell me lol.

Ha, fair enough. Made me laugh.

He was talking about how trauma basically prevents you from clear mindedly experiencing things. Something like, you cannot focus on what is happening in your body if it is so stressed and traumatized. Then he talks about women lacking certain things biochemically, and passing on those lacks to their kids. So if born with much lack, much hunger ensues. If born with little lack, little stress, much groundedness and awareness ensues. He compared it to being born either an alligator or a primate.
 

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Ha, fair enough. Made me laugh.

He was talking about how trauma basically prevents you from clear mindedly experiencing things. Something like, you cannot focus on what is happening in your body if it is so stressed and traumatized. Then he talks about women lacking certain things biochemically, and passing on those lacks to their kids. So if born with much lack, much hunger ensues. If born with little lack, little stress, much groundedness and awareness ensues. He compared it to being born either an alligator or a primate.

Thank you. I wonder if Ray himself (and many who follow him) consider themselves eating machines than. His findings seem to be the result of someone who was dealing with stress and lack and looking for answers.
 

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Thank you. I wonder if Ray himself (and many who follow him) consider themselves eating machines than. His findings seem to be the result of someone who was dealing with stress and lack and looking for answers.
Yeah that makes sense. Lots of people looking to get onto the experiencing side of the ledger, or at least moving towards it.
 

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