Gelatin mixture too rubbery, could this cause an intestinal obstruction/bezoar?

[KCM]

Bit of a strange issue but the only thing I can attribute it to would be either supplementation capsules (cellulose, gelatin etc) or gelatin gummies made with poor ratios for liquid: powder

When I was eating gelatin I consumed about 40G dry powder mixed in with at the lowest about 480ml of apple juice. 80ml to bloom the gelatin for 5 minutes and 400ml liquid boiling in pan (so 480ml for 40g of gelatin). I'd then add the bloom in after boil and heat for another minute or two then pour the mixture into gummy trays and let it set. Usually I'd consume it with some kiwi.

My question is as the title suggests. Would it be possible to end up with an intestinal obstruction (likely as a bezoar), or a mild faecal impaction (built up over weeks of digesting rubbery/poor liquid amount gelatin impairing digestion/getting stuck)? I have been getting some mild arrhythmia around going to the bathroom and seem to manage a daily stool movement, I just cycle between some Bristol stool chart 6 and perhaps 4.5 (small, short, thin) but somewhat formed stools. Feelings of not fully evacuating the bowel & general stomach discomfort. Doctor has diagnosed me with IBS and given me medication for that but I dislike having to take pharma medication & was wondering if anyone has had a similar experience, or knows how gelatin would be digested & if this would at all be possible? the timing on the build up/bowel issues seem to coincide with gelatin, though it could be a red herring and is perhaps something in my regular diet instead causing the problem.

Symptoms are:

Belching, usually after food or drink (have recently paid note to my possibly excessive air intake drinking hot liquids or food) sometimes leading to trapped wind and a tight chest

Fullness/bloating especially after eating
Tachycardia and possible arrhythmia when I need the bathroom but find it difficult to complete a bowel movement (despite small thin stools or mush coming out it seems difficult to push them out)
Incomplete evacuation feeling

My belching and flatulence in general doesn't seem to smell too much, more seems like trapped wind which has woken me up with pain some nights

Last consumed Gelatin on the 13th of may but my worry here is it's stuck somewhere in my intestinal region or even my stomach (belching etc)

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Bit of a strange issue but the only thing I can attribute it to would be either supplementation capsules (cellulose, gelatin etc) or gelatin gummies made with poor ratios for liquid: powder

When I was eating gelatin I consumed about 40G dry powder mixed in with at the lowest about 480ml of apple juice. 80ml to bloom the gelatin for 5 minutes and 400ml liquid boiling in pan (so 480ml for 40g of gelatin). I'd then add the bloom in after boil and heat for another minute or two then pour the mixture into gummy trays and let it set. Usually I'd consume it with some kiwi.

My question is as the title suggests. Would it be possible to end up with an intestinal obstruction (likely as a bezoar), or a mild faecal impaction (built up over weeks of digesting rubbery/poor liquid amount gelatin impairing digestion/getting stuck)? I have been getting some mild arrhythmia around going to the bathroom and seem to manage a daily stool movement, I just cycle between some Bristol stool chart 6 and perhaps 4.5 (small, short, thin) but somewhat formed stools. Feelings of not fully evacuating the bowel & general stomach discomfort. Doctor has diagnosed me with IBS and given me medication for that but I dislike having to take pharma medication & was wondering if anyone has had a similar experience, or knows how gelatin would be digested & if this would at all be possible? the timing on the build up/bowel issues seem to coincide with gelatin, though it could be a red herring and is perhaps something in my regular diet instead causing the problem.

I certaily think too much rubbery gelatin without enough liquids COULD slow things down. And I KNOW gelatin is a high histamine food which COULD cause histamine issues with the heart too. I quit using store bought gelatin for that reason and make my own now. Besides the histamine flush i get, and my husband too sometimes depending on how many other other high histamine foods he has had, I get heavy metal symptoms from it.

 

[Nighteyes]

If you suspect obstruction you could try fasting for a bit and maybe some enzymes. Also coke has been known to dissolve bezoars. But not cramming more stuff down will allow digestive system to cath up and slowly digest.

 

[KCM]

I certaily think too much rubbery gelatin without enough liquids COULD slow things down. And I KNOW gelatin is a high histamine food which COULD cause histamine issues with the heart too. I quit using store bought gelatin for that reason and make my own now. Besides the histamine flush i get, and my husband too sometimes depending on how many other other high histamine foods he has had, I get heavy metal symptoms from it.

It definitely could slow digestion down, just as eating too much meat or anything else that's difficult for the body to break down could. My main concern is if this over a period of weeks caused a partial impaction or an obstruction somewhere in the digestive system. This is my biggest concern as it has been weeks since I last consumed the gelatin and I still have some of the issues, wondering if it's a ticking time bomb with some kind of necrosis or damage to my intestinal lining happening as we speak with doctors not pushing along the timeline fast enough. They didn't seem very reactive to the gelatin issue but most of them probably don't have much experience with it. Some even commented saying it was a very strange addition to the diet.

My source for gelatin is Saturee (Australian) which is fast bloom gelatin. Seems reasonably high quality and I don't recall ever getting any flushing or skin issues with it, just tachycardia and potential arrhythmia with the mentioned bowel symptoms. Was on great lakes (orange can) for a while before this.

Not sure how logical it even is since gelatin seems to dissolve quite easily in body temperature (35-38c range) water. I forgot but I think it even slowly dissolved in room temperature water. Something like meat wouldn't do that and seems more likely to cause impaction or obstruction type issues, i'm just worried with the unique mixture gelatin is that it got trapped somewhere in my digestive system & is causing digestive issues or even permanent damage. I would swallow fairly large chunks of it at a time (biting off from big slabs) perhaps two teaspoons in size, usually with pieces of kiwi in-between pieces for the enzymes.

 

[KCM]

If you suspect obstruction you could try fasting for a bit and maybe some enzymes. Also coke has been known to dissolve bezoars. But not cramming more stuff down will allow digestive system to cath up and slowly digest.

Not eating does seem to help but I am already down about 2.3-2.7kg in the last 4-5 weeks from the cyclical decrease in appetite which for my current bodyweight isn't a small amount. I'm really not sure if it's a blockage and won't know until I get an MRI (unfortunately) which I don't know the date of yet. I have some BETAINE HCL and digestive enzymes from bioptimizers & have used them quite sparingly since getting them, I could try the digestive enzymes for a few days as the HCL may cause problems if whatever I have is an ulcer and I could try 250-500ml coke per day just to see if it alleviates any symptoms.

The shops have just closed and all I have is diet coke which I bought when reading about bezoars a few days ago. Seems to have caused some mild irritation in my upper stomach (by the feel of it) consuming about 200ml today

Coca-Cola Cures Bezoars | Bottom Line Inc seems like it says diet coke is equally as effective, I was going to ask you this question but decided to search it myself first. Had a quick google search as well for any small intestine bezoars and it seems like they are mostly in the stomach, esophagus or large intestine (faecal impaction for this one apparently), not sure if it's possible for them to be in the small intestine and if they are, what option there would be for dissolving them.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

It definitely could slow digestion down, just as eating too much meat or anything else that's difficult for the body to break down could. My main concern is if this over a period of weeks caused a partial impaction or an obstruction somewhere in the digestive system. This is my biggest concern as it has been weeks since I last consumed the gelatin and I still have some of the issues, wondering if it's a ticking time bomb with some kind of necrosis or damage to my intestinal lining happening as we speak with doctors not pushing along the timeline fast enough. They didn't seem very reactive to the gelatin issue but most of them probably don't have much experience with it. Some even commented saying it was a very strange addition to the diet.

My source for gelatin is Saturee (Australian) which is fast bloom gelatin. Seems reasonably high quality and I don't recall ever getting any flushing or skin issues with it, just tachycardia and potential arrhythmia with the mentioned bowel symptoms. Was on great lakes (orange can) for a while before this.

Not sure how logical it even is since gelatin seems to dissolve quite easily in body temperature (35-38c range) water. I forgot but I think it even slowly digested in room temperature water. Something like meat wouldn't do that and seems more likely to cause impaction or obstruction type issues, i'm just worried with the unique mixture gelatin is that it got trapped somewhere in my digestive system & is causing digestive issues or even permanent damage. I would swallow fairly large chunks of it at a time (biting off from big slabs) perhaps two teaspoons in size, usually with pieces of kiwi in-between pieces for the enzymes.

As long as you are still "going" then i am with Nighteyes and don't pile anymore on top even liquids, they can can be constipating too. I would sip on the coke eat fruit, with some easy to digest proteins like seafood. If you are NOT "going" than maybe consider things like diverticulitus or a bend in the intestines or other possibilities. How long have you had the problem?

 

[saraleah]

Something similar happened to me last Spring, it was so bad I went to the ER. All tests were normal. They told me an impaction would be very painful especially if you press on your stomach. And might have a fever, I didnt I had no pain. Just symptoms similar to yours.
I alternated the Coke with a big glass of white grape juice, take the juice on an empty stomach. Got the white grape juice tip from an intestinal cancer website. I will never use gelatin again for that reason. It all straightened out after doing the white grape juice and coke for a couple of days. Suspicion was Crohns or Colitis. I can't touch sugar alcohols either, or too much fiber. Hope this helps

 

[somuch4food]

Glycine (in gelatin) can be turn into oxalates within the body (endogenous production). I always get a pain around the ileocecal valve when I consume gelatin.

 

[KCM]

Something similar happened to me last Spring, it was so bad I went to the ER. All tests were normal. They told me an impaction would be very painful especially if you press on your stomach. And might have a fever, I didnt I had no pain. Just symptoms similar to yours.
I alternated the Coke with a big glass of white grape juice, take the juice on an empty stomach. Got the white grape juice tip from an intestinal cancer website. I will never use gelatin again for that reason. It all straightened out after doing the white grape juice and coke for a couple of days. Suspicion was Crohns or Colitis. I can't touch sugar alcohols either, or too much fiber. Hope this helps

I'm wondering if possibly I am just histamine intolerant. I just dived in head first into bone broth, kefir, gelatin, dark chocolate and some fruits for months so perhaps it's the sole cause, or a contributing factor. Seems like the symptoms line up & there's possibly a link with histamine and IBS which is what the doctors suspect I have but of course if they can't pinpoint anything else, they just fall back onto these blanket conditions.

I have been to the ER a few times over the last 6-8 weeks and had a chest x-ray done heart & lungs came back clear. Had many ECG's done all clear. Pain and issues around bathroom but the pain wasn't horrendous, it was only acute for a few days after taking an activated charcoal capsule last week. Just a general sense of malaise and massive anxiety with strange episodes around eating and the bathroom, anxiety isn't something I suffer from so I really don't see why it has been happening. No stomach pain on touch either but after doing two distilled water enemas I seem to have at least removed some of the discomfort with that. I'll be drinking 500ml coke a day and will try to get some white grape juice. Is it sparkling grape juice or flat?

Thank you for your comment, it's reassuring to hear someone else with a similar experience and is now doing fine. Maybe you could PM me in more detail about any bathroom/bowel issues that were ongoing there so I can try and get an even better understanding of what's going on? would be much appreciated. I am also very put off by the gelatin and may never touch it again, these last few months have been incredibly distressing.

EDIT: Speaking on impaction it seems there are two types of blockages. Impaction is usually faecal impaction, the colon exclusively (unless faecal matter can get stuck in the small intestine too, idk) and the worse it gets, the more painful it gets and threatening it gets. Then there's obstruction so a tumor, bezoar, scar tissue from previous surgery and other things that cause a physical blockage I believe anywhere in the intestines but most likely would be the stomach and small intestine (since I think anything lower is a faecal impaction)

Edit2: Logic for me here would suggest that if the gelatin was stuck, it would be in the stomach. I don't see how the liquid/paste/sticky resin would get stuck further down as it will have been broken down by the stomach acid too much at that point and sorted into amino acids etc. Seems like this would be called a bezoar and does seem like they can be made smaller at least with coke & possibly the white grape juice

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Glycine (in gelatin) can be turn into oxalates within the body (endogenous production). I always get a pain around the ileocecal valve when I consume gelatin.

Gelatin has heavy metal issues too.

 

[baron]

Quitting gelatin for a couple of days and drinking Coke has resolved month-long mild constipation; I also feel significantly less inflamed. It could be a combination of intestinal obstruction, glyphosate, and heavy metal exposure from regular use of gelatin in coffee. A funny thing I noticed is that glyphosate and gelatin were mentioned close to each other in Generative Energy #100, but they were two separate topics; it would have been a good opportunity to warn Peaters. I got the idea originally from watching Bioenergetic Helpline #16, where issues with gelatin were discussed.

 

[Kyle970]

Seems like light and frequent soluble fiber would assist, bind/escort out. More worry over gelatin capsules.

 

[Hairfedup]

Hi guys. Had a small (1-2cm) inguinal hernia now well, diagnosed for the first time around 6-7 months ago. Past week I've been constipated , very hard to pass gass, small stools or very hard stool after 2-3 days, swollen belly, pushing does nothing etc. I was never given any protocals for hernia management and obstruction/blockage avoidance, so sort of stumbled along. From my symptoms I'm pretty sure its a partial obstruction - I understand full blockage/obstruction is excruciating and I'm mostly in a state of discomfort and any pain is quite mild although always apparent stomach lower intestine/bowel area. Wondering if fasting + coke + grape juice will help as partial blockages/obstructions are best let to resolve themselves from what I read? I don't really want to go to emergency (my appointment for specialist analysis of the hernia is 2 months way thanks to that 8 month NHS waitlist lol). I didnt even know to stay away from large meals etc. I tried collagen in my tea but seems to make things worse although I cant quite be sure. Aspirin I'm not sure makes it worse or better, really hard to tell honestly but similar experience to yall above. Thanks in advance.

edit: i should almost mention that vaping absolutely slowed my digestion down to a crawl, absolutely terrible with extremely high nicotine content. I stopped immediately a week ago

trying the coke + fasting method now