Functional GABA Deficiency May Be Cause Of Autism

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This is one of the few studies on humans, and it showed that while levels of GABA in autistic and healthy children were similar, the activity of the GABA system was deficient in autism patients. This creates a functional GABA deficiency, which makes the autistic brain hyperexcited, as Ray has said many times. The study went as far as to suggest that using substances with GABA activity can be therapeutic for autism. This explains the positive results form trials with theanine, taurine, and benzodiazepines. The other threads I posted on reversing autism using serotonin (5-HT2) antagonists are also consistent with this study since GABA and GABA-agonists are known the reduce serotonin levels in the brain.

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"...MIT and Harvard University neuroscientists have found a link between a behavioral symptom of autism and reduced activity of a neurotransmitter whose job is to dampen neuron excitation. The findings suggest that drugs that boost the action of this neurotransmitter, known as GABA, may improve some of the symptoms of autism, the researchers say. Brain activity is controlled by a constant interplay of inhibition and excitation, which is mediated by different neurotransmitters. GABA is one of the most important inhibitory neurotransmitters, and studies of animals with autism-like symptoms have found reduced GABA activity in the brain. However, until now, there has been no direct evidence for such a link in humans. “This is the first connection in humans between a neurotransmitter in the brain and an autistic behavioral symptom,” says Caroline Robertson, a postdoc at MIT’s McGovern Institute for Brain Research and a junior fellow of the Harvard Society of Fellows. “It’s possible that increasing GABA would help to ameliorate some of the symptoms of autism, but more work needs to be done.”

"...The researchers then measured GABA activity using a technique known as magnetic resonance spectroscopy, as autistic and typical subjects performed the binocular rivalry task. In nonautistic participants, higher levels of GABA correlated with a better ability to suppress the nondominant image. But in autistic subjects, there was no relationship between performance and GABA levels. This suggests that GABA is present in the brain but is not performing its usual function in autistic individuals, Robertson says. “GABA is not reduced in the autistic brain, but the action of this inhibitory pathway is reduced,” she says. “The next step is figuring out which part of the pathway is disrupted.”
 

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That might explain why some autistics are able to act "normal" after having a drink (alcohol also increases GABA).
 
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Vinero said:
post 115970 That might explain why some autistics are able to act "normal" after having a drink (alcohol also increases GABA).

Yep, and in my opinion the GABA-ergic properties of alcohol also explain why people under stress drink more. GABA decreases both cortisol and adrenaline and also masks thyroid deficiencies. I guess we can add alcohol cravings to the symptoms of hypothyroidism.
 
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haidut said:
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Vinero said:
post 115970 That might explain why some autistics are able to act "normal" after having a drink (alcohol also increases GABA).

Yep, and in my opinion the GABA-ergic properties of alcohol also explain why people under stress drink more. GABA decreases both cortisol and adrenaline and also masks thyroid deficiencies.
Yippe ! So how much alcohol would be considered safe ? I find hard cider to be fairly 'uplifting' - which alcohol would you recommend ?
 
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Kaspar_Hauser said:
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haidut said:
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Vinero said:
post 115970 That might explain why some autistics are able to act "normal" after having a drink (alcohol also increases GABA).

Yep, and in my opinion the GABA-ergic properties of alcohol also explain why people under stress drink more. GABA decreases both cortisol and adrenaline and also masks thyroid deficiencies.
Yippe ! So how much alcohol would be considered safe ? I find hard cider to be fairly 'uplifting' - which alcohol would you recommend ?

Unfortunately, alcohol is strongly estrogenic so if you have to drink I'd stick to clear spirits. Consider this thread before you get hammered:):
viewtopic.php?f=220&t=6016

Taurine, glycine, theanine, niacinamide, thiamine, pyridoxine, biotin etc are all GABA agonists and are much safer for stress reduction than alcohol. Also, if thyroid is working well stress would not be that much of a problem and you should not feel the need to drink.
 
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I would not drink everyday, that would be terribly estrogenic. Maybe alcohol is harmless if only drunk once a week in the weekend and avoiding PUFA like the plague. For everyday well-being the substances haidut mentioned are much healthier.
 
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Well, my son is a 10 years old autistic child. I can give to him sometimes 3 grams of L-teanine, and 5 grams of taurine, and he gets a little, very little more calm. If I take it I will sleep for all day.
Some things that work for other autistic child’s don’t works for him. Maybe the fact that he born with only 600 grams body weight and 30 weeks of gestation (a pre-term baby) makes he autistic.
 
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Lucas said:
post 116113 Well, my son is a 10 years old autistic child. I can give to him sometimes 3 grams of L-teanine, and 5 grams of taurine, and he gets a little, very little more calm. If I take it I will sleep for all day.
Some things that work for other autistic child’s don’t works for him. Maybe the fact that he born with only 600 grams body weight and 30 weeks of gestation (a pre-term baby) makes he autistic.

Have you seen this thread?
viewtopic.php?f=183&t=7978
 
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That might explain why some autistics are able to act "normal" after having a drink (alcohol also increases GABA).
This has caught my attention. My brother is autistic (as well as my daughter) and he has problems with alcohol (may be even as far along as an alcohol addict and he is only 19 years old.) We suspect he uses alcohol to feel normal to control his symptoms and to be able to socialise. I am currently looking into helping him out. Would cyphro help him? And if so, what dose would be needed and for how long? Also since he has an addiction problem already, is it possible at all that he could develop an addiction to cyphro as well? I would love Haidut's thoughts on this also.

Another question regarding cyphro. After taking some time thinking this through I would like to help my daughter as well and introduce cyphro. She is however only 6 years old and I have read that cyphro can stop growth at certain dose. Any thoughts on this and advice? Anyone used cyphro to treat autism with good results?

And another questions: Please tell me if I'm understanding this correctly? "Calcium, potassium and magnesium work together and and can fill in for the lack of either of these minerals." Could it mean then that my daughter refuses diary products due to digestion issues since her gut flora is probably compromised being autistic? And could this be the reason why she's eating huge amounts of fruit of her own will, because she's substituting potassium/magnesium for calcium, simply put?

I would love to start her on a daily carrot and some cyphro. She only breathes through her mouth and snores at night because her nose is always stuffed so I think she would definitely benefit from anti-allergy meds. I just need some advise as to how much and for how long.
 

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GABA decreases both cortisol and adrenaline and also masks thyroid deficiencies.
Academics drink a lot of tea. Something about authority; I will say no more.
 

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i have mild social anxiety, which I personally believe is a condition on the autism spectrum and not an anxiety disorder (unless both are linked) ... and I can only have a conversation to my internal satisfaction using alcohol.

Now all the pieces of the puzzle are coming together... amazing
 

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i have mild social anxiety, which I personally believe is a condition on the autism spectrum and not an anxiety disorder (unless both are linked) ... and I can only have a conversation to my internal satisfaction using alcohol.

Now all the pieces of the puzzle are coming together... amazing
Yea, this is coming together. It will take me the weekend to recover from attending a party tonight at a relatively new school. So the social pressure of all the new people (even though I trained physically with them in silence for 1-1/2 months). It's not dark bar with strangers. Brightly lit space and expectations. Training was relaxing but the community party, was phew. I wanted to be there. I like these people. But it's still the social pressure is difficult and physically wipes me out.
 

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@scarlettsmum I took 4 mg cyproheptadine daily for two months and it was far too much. I became so lethargic. When going to parties etc. I would just sit in a corner alone unable to find the energy to talk to anyone. It took a long time to get out of it. Thats not to say that cyproheptadine didn't help me, it was a lifesaver, but looking back one month would have been plenty. Be careful, it's powerful stuff.

My advice as someone who has been struggling with low gaba symptoms is to avoid glutamate at all cost. Unfortunately this can be a lot of work and basically means avoiding practically all processed food, cooking everything from scratch. Any ingredient that contains the name gluta-something, yeast extract, citric acid etc. should be avoided. Gelatin contains glutamate. If you search for glutamate toxicity you can find more info.
 
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@scarlettsmum I took 4 mg cyproheptadine daily for two months and it was far too much. I became so lethargic. When going to parties etc. I would just sit in a corner alone unable to find the energy to talk to anyone. It took a long time to get out of it. Thats not to say that cyproheptadine didn't help me, it was a lifesaver, but looking back one month would have been plenty. Be careful, it's powerful stuff.

My advice as someone who has been struggling with low gaba symptoms is to avoid glutamate at all cost. Unfortunately this can be a lot of work and basically means avoiding practically all processed food, cooking everything from scratch. Any ingredient that contains the name gluta-something, yeast extract, citric acid etc. should be avoided. Gelatin contains glutamate. If you search for glutamate toxicity you can find more info.
I agree on the glutamate. It definitely causes brain excitation in vulnerable people. But thing is it's not supposed to cross BBB, so that means if you react it is leaky. Things that cause leakiness include brain hypoglycemia.
 
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