Fruit With Protein

Discussion in 'Fruits' started by leo, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. leo

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    Peat says to pair proteins with fruit/sugar always. However most fruits have vitamin c and if paired with meats, increase iron absorption. Then we have to have the coffee/tea to reduce the absorption.

    Would it be just as effective to just not have fruit when eating red meats?

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    I do not eat any fruits with meat, thats when I bring in the Mexican Coke, or milk with sugar.
     
  3. j.

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    Fruits should go with non-meat proteins. When eating meats, have coffee or coke.
     
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    Charlie what does the milk/sugar do when eating the meat?

    I went through hell to get off cokes years ago. We don't have any safe ones where I live and I just don't want to revisit drinking cokes with HFCS.

    At home I have no problems, but when eating out I would feel silly ordering milk with my meal. And restaurants here don't always have decaf coffee....regular coffee keeps me up at night.

    What would be a good substitute to eat with the meats to avoid the iron absorption? Is there nothing else?
     
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    It tastes great! :P
     
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    Yeah but does it block the iron?

    I used to drink milk/sugar with all my meals when I was a kid. I do love it and will do it at home, but I admit I feel silly drinking that when all my friends are having wine! LOL
     
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    I use coffee to block iron.
     
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    The most commonly used iron "blockers" by people are tea, coffee, and wine (tea and wine aren't used much by peat crowd as far as I know)

    but

    Dairy and egg yolks also inhibit iron absorption

    http://www.nutritionmd.org/health_care_ ... ition.html

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    As far as a low vitamin C sugar source, honey and dates are both good. honey pairs with eggs well. Dates pair better with meat imo.

    A honey milk drink would be good too

    Actually, speaking of dates, I guess any dried fruit would be high sugar low vitamin c, but of course then you have to watch for histamine
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    To be honest I haven't really found a way to make meat digest super fast and easy.. I try to avoid it really. I just eat eggs and liver and oysters and gelatin
     
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    Very cool! So I got the super dooper iron knockout punch going on. :dance
     
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    :cool:
     
  11. dukez07

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    Sorry, I'm a noob here.

    Just trying to get to grips with what you guys are eating.

    Can somebody explain to me how Mexican coke is useful on this diet? According to its wikipedia page, it is possible that it might be sweetened with fructose corn syrup - in levels apparantly comparable with other sugary junk drinks. I don't mind consuming fructose in the form of fruit, but this seems like one step too far for me.

    Do I need to just get over the fact that fructose isn't as bad as what we think it is? Should I be consuming corn syrup by the bottle? Why aren't we doing that? If it's such a great form of fuel for the body?

    It would be great if people could share what they think with this.

    I'm taking in milk (about 2 quarts), aboout 15 oranages per day (yes, it's a b**** peeling them - but I prefer the real thing - I know, comes with fibre... bad), organic grass fed beef (about 200g per day)... and, that's it, at the moment.

    I came to this thread because I want to find a carb source that I can enjoy whilst eating my beef (my favourite meal of the day - milk is boring). But, i am indeed worried about the rapid increase of iron.

    I guess that coffee, with lots of sugar might do the job. Just got to hope it doesn't keep me awake for the night.

    I am tempted just to have a few bananas, even though I want to avoid starch completely. I would much rather eat a few raw bananas than a cooked potato. Ray Peat has already condemned bananas though, I am thinking - hence I never hear about them. I would say I react more favourably to bananas than potatoes.
     
  12. j.

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    Coke is something to use as a source of sugar when you can't get orange juice or fruits.

    Fructose isn't bad.
     
  13. dukez07

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    What about corn syrup? Would you keep some around in your house to consume, if it wasn't all that bad? Do you keep some around?

    In my mind, corn syrup is man made, so surely that makes it pure junk? Staying away from anything that is man made is usually a good course of approach to things?
     
  14. j.

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    No, I get enough fructose from orange juice and fruits. Sugar with the minerals in fruits is processed better.
     
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    I was also asking myself those questions about corn derived sweeteners, indeed why would they be a problem if they seem to digest easily. But for RP they raise flags either in intrinsic nature (degraded starch -- so actually not cleanly digested?) or purity (heavy metals and microbial enzyme residue).
     
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    Or is that corn syrup is like the crack cocaine of fructose, whereby it assaults your system at once, reigning blow after blow, with your body trying to keep up with the processing of it? I mean, I assume there is an acute high you get from corn syrup, which, like sugar, can cause excitability in those who are suspect to such reactions.

    Fruit seems far more steady, not to mention it has far less fructose than some of these sugary drinks. I'm just thinking aloud here, I know very little about the subject. I may ask Mr Peat about it, if I can manage to get a reply.
     
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    It is more steady due to minerals, not due to less fructose, as otherwise sugary drinks (those with sucrose) have same fructose ratio as in fruit juice.
     
  18. j.

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    I asked him about the bad reactions I got from HFCS, and not from table sugar or sugar from fruit, and he mentioned it might contain some mercury. Anyway, here is the response:

     
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    RP mentioned this study in KMUD Sugar II interview that showed HFCS has 4-5 times more
    carbohydrate than it is labeled. This has been mentioned several times before in this forum.
    I am posting it again

     
  20. LucyL

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    Corn syrup is almost pure glucose. Enzymes convert the corn syrup glucose to fructose, which is mixed back with some corn syrup to make the "high-fructose" mix. Corn syrup was a very popular sweetener in recipes, my mom always had a bottle.
    http://www.madehow.com/Volume-4/Corn-Syrup.html

    Most Peat followers I think avoid it because it's not a natural glucose, and natural fructose is better than natural glucose anyway.
     
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