Frequent Urination: BIO-INDICATOR OF

[Doludolu]

Hey peeps,

Noticed that past 1,5 years I'm peeing more frequently ans havč bigger urge. On Peaty diet it got a bit more intęnse even - I'm on it about 4-5 months.

Like today , first time I decided to count it . I counted peeing 9 times / day. + now wake up once a night to pee, that didnt used to happen some time ago. Btw I'm not an old-man, no prostate issues, 21 hehe.

What metabolic conditions in the body would frequent peeing & stronger urges indicate?

For the context: I do also have other health problems - perhaps they could be related?
Gut problems - bloating occasional, but gas mainly. Lower blood pressure. Higher stress reaction. White coat on the tongue (even if I use herbal antimicrobials, antifungals), clean my tongie - after night it again becomes white coated, very often structural (joints,ligaments traumas), tooth enamel (degraded) problems. Pretty much it.

 

[redsun]

Hey peeps,

Noticed that past 1,5 years I'm peeing more frequently ans havč bigger urge. On Peaty diet it got a bit more intęnse even - I'm on it about 4-5 months.

Like today , first time I decided to count it . I counted peeing 9 times / day. + now wake up once a night to pee, that didnt used to happen some time ago. Btw I'm not an old-man, no prostate issues, 21 hehe.

What metabolic conditions in the body would frequent peeing & stronger urges indicate?

For the context: I do also have other health problems - perhaps they could be related?
Gut problems - bloating occasional, but gas mainly. Lower blood pressure. Higher stress reaction. White coat on the tongue (even if I use herbal antimicrobials, antifungals), clean my tongie - after night it again becomes white coated, very often structural (joints,ligaments traumas), tooth enamel (degraded) problems. Pretty much it.

If you consume many more liquids while Peating then that's why. You are consuming way more fluids than you need so your body will constantly try to excrete it.

If liquid intake are normal and not crazy, then you can be low on ADH, which retains water. You could lack vitamin C, copper, or even arginine. A diet that is low in meat can lack arginine. Especially if you usually consume more meat and suddenly stop, arginine intake will drop sharply and thus you can produce less ADH.

 

[yerrag]

low level Infection.

Acidic pH of ecf.

Low temperature--less skin evaporation more urination.

 

[ecstatichamster]

I think gut problems cause frequent urination very often.

 

[Doludolu]

If you consume many more liquids while Peating then that's why. You are consuming way more fluids than you need so your body will constantly try to excrete it.


If liquid intake are normal and not crazy, then you can be low on ADH, which retains water. You could lack vitamin C, copper, or even arginine. A diet that is low in meat can lack arginine. Especially if you usually consume more meat and suddenly stop, arginine intake will drop sharply and thus you can produce less ADH.

I may be drinking too much water. I do drink 3 x 350ml water glasses with Himalayan salt. and 2-4 extra glasses in between my meals. So that gets to smething like 2,1 L of water just frm that. I do eat fresh fruits about 1kg and some veggies each day so I do get structured water too. It might be too much. Yet I feel much better when I drink more water, my peristalsis seems to work better & bowel movements are better, no constipation, improved motility. Meat I do consume every other day. Try to balance out with connective tissue on those or other days then later.

low level Infection.

Acidic pH of ecf.

Low temperature--less skin evaporation more urination.

What are the usual infections ?
Btw, yesterday I tested my urine pH - it is exactly 6.0 - can you comment anything on that?
Low temperature hmm, yes that makes sense, although the temperature has increased with Peating, but urination also. Perhaps, as redsun said, it may be just too much liquid in my diet.

I think gut problems cause frequent urination very often.

Good point. So like specific bacteria, Candida overgrowth or perhaps certain parasites, mold... ?

 

[Herbie]

Ray recently said that he was drinking 30-50 coffees per day plus a lot of milk and that he would evaporate all the liquid even when he was hypothyroid so when people say that you can’t handle ray peat levels of milk and oj because your hypo seems to be incorrect and there is something else going on.

 

[Doludolu]

Ray recently said that he was drinking 30-50 coffees per day plus a lot of milk and that he would evaporate all the liquid even when he was hypothyroid so when people say that you can’t handle ray peat levels of milk and oj because your hypo seems to be incorrect and there is something else going on.

30-50 that's just like sounds really impossible. Coming back to frequent urination, you say it's not connected to hypo thyroid state. What "else" you think could be going on?

 

[ddjd]

high adrenaline/ serotonin/ estrogen.

things like niacinamide, b2, b6, zinc,

completely stop any frequent urination issues i might have

 

[yerrag]

What are the usual infections ?

Periodontal infection is one that's all too common. Urinary tract infection affects elderly people. And then there are low-level (no fever) infections in biofilms along the gut wall, blood vessels walls, and there are intracellular pathogens.

Btw, yesterday I tested my urine pH - it is exactly 6.0 - can you comment anything on that?

That isn't optimal, on the acidic side.

Could be from poor sugar metabolism, leading to lactic acid production - either from low oxygen transport by blood (hypoxemia), or hypoxia (low tissue oxygenation from low CO2 production stemming from sugar metabolism getting stuck at the glycolysis stage- anaerobic or aerobic). Aerobic glycolysis happens when, even with the availability of oxygen, the oxygen isn't well-utilized in the electron transport chain, due to some enzymes and metabolites lacking.

Or from relying too much on fatty acid metabolism on energy, producing too much keto acids.

An infection could alter also the metabolic pathway from oxidative phosphorylation towards glycolysis. I think by just just directing metabolism towards the pentose phosphate pathway, to produce more NADPH, needed to produce ROS as well as antioxidants, in responding to the infection - as an adaptation, would divert the use of oxygen and glucose from oxidative phosphorylation. Not only that, but pathogens rely on primitive metabolism where lactate is produced.

 

[Astolfo]

You could lack vitamin C, copper, or even arginine.

Is low ceruloplasmin an indicator of low copper? I have been suspecting from low copper (pssd). I also pee more often and it's much more cleaner than before. I pee so freqently when im hungry and i get hungry really fast when i do a mental task.

 

[redsun]

Is low ceruloplasmin an indicator of low copper? I have been suspecting from low copper (pssd). I also pee more often and it's much more cleaner than before. I pee so freqently when im hungry and i get hungry really fast when i do a mental task.

Yes you could be deficient in copper, but low ceruloplasmin could also mean wilson's disease. If you can confirm you don't have wilson's then copper, vitamin A, B vitamins should help raise ceruloplasmin back up.

 

[Astolfo]

Yes you could be deficient in copper, but low ceruloplasmin could also mean wilson's disease. If you can confirm you don't have wilson's then copper, vitamin A, B vitamins should help raise ceruloplasmin back up.

Does it look like a kayser-fleischer ring? I'm not sure how am i gonna know if whether i have wilson's or not. I'm showing nearly all type of neurologic problems, deteoriation.

 

[redsun]

Does it look like a kayser-fleischer ring? I'm not sure how am i gonna know if whether i have wilson's or not. I'm showing nearly all type of neurologic problems, deteoriation.

You have to do the appropriate tests to determine Wilson's. The rings are not adequate. If you already have a test showing low ceruloplasmin, a doctor should be able to get other tests for wilson's or you can find a specialist to get a definitive answer. Its important you get tests because only tests can confirm what you have or don't have.

 

[Astolfo]

You have to do the appropriate tests to determine Wilson's. The rings are not adequate. If you already have a test showing low ceruloplasmin, a doctor should be able to get other tests for wilson's or you can find a specialist to get a definitive answer. Its important you get tests because only tests can confirm what you have or don't have.

Yeah, I know these. You are right but im doing what am i able to in this situation. I tried to get a doctor to check my ceru but with no luck. I will try to get an appointment to another doctor but I don't think he will do the test too. I only know that my ceru was 17 (14-35) more than a year ago. I have been having pssd for 2.5-3 years. I would have liked to try copper and see if it does anything but at turkey there is literally no way to bought supplemental copper.

My cognitive functions improve if i eat cacao, so that's maybe related to copper. But liver doesn't give me substantial improvements so I doubt if it actually copper.

I have other problems that possibly be related to copper as well. Such as histamine issues. My problems are also getting more intense day by day. These days I sneeze hard every time i eat some food. I know about your posts and I know about that thread on hacstasis too. I can gladly tell more about my symptoms but i feel really so braindead, Maybe if you are interested, I can make a short list of what i observed on me throughout these 3 years.

I really wonder, do you think it looks like a kayser-fleischer ring?

 

[redsun]

Yeah, I know these. You are right but im doing what am i able to in this situation. I tried to get a doctor to check my ceru but with no luck. I will try to get an appointment to another doctor but I don't think he will do the test too. I only know that my ceru was 17 (14-35) more than a year ago. I have been having pssd for 2.5-3 years. I would have liked to try copper and see if it does anything but at turkey there is literally no way to bought supplemental copper.

My cognitive functions improve if i eat cacao, so that's maybe related to copper. But liver doesn't give me substantial improvements so I doubt if it actually copper.

I have other problems that possibly be related to copper as well. Such as histamine issues. My problems are also getting more intense day by day. These days I sneeze hard every time i eat some food. I know about your posts and I know about that thread on hacstasis too. I can gladly tell more about my symptoms but i feel really so braindead, Maybe if you are interested, I can make a short list of what i observed on me throughout these 3 years.

I really wonder, do you think it looks like a kayser-fleischer ring?

Does not look like you have the ring.

Its hard to say really what you have. Have you ever tried vitamin C supplementation to see if anything improves including histamine reaction from food? You may have low copper usage. But again if you ate liver (which is packed with B vitamins, vitamin A, and copper) and felt not much different from it then that is contradicts both copper deficiency and deficiency of cofactors since liver has both. Have you ever seen how you react to zinc? That may also give a clue what is up. They also suggest at that forum PSSD could even be zinc toxicity.

What other histamine issues do you have besides sneezing? Just in general bad histamine symptoms all the time?

 

[Astolfo]

Have you ever tried vitamin C supplementation to see if anything improves including histamine reaction from food?

I took 1 gram a day for a while but didn't give attention whether it improved. Im going to get some vit C asap to see if it does anything.

You may have low copper usage. But again if you ate liver (which is packed with B vitamins, vitamin A, and copper) and felt not much different from it then that is contradicts both copper deficiency and deficiency of cofactors since liver has both.

I think so. Eating liver kind of gives me improvement but i can't really say it's significant. Maybe milder than eating just chocolate alone. I thought this could be explained by the zinc content of liver maybe.

Have you ever seen how you react to zinc?

I have been taking zinc for about two weeks and from my first day experience, i think it even does harm. More emotional numbness, and i feel my brain has deteoriated faster in this time. But at the same time i got some improvements though it could be also from the magnesium (epsom salt, magnesium oxide). I made a mistake by mixing so many things, taking them at the same time.

What other histamine issues do you have besides sneezing? Just in general bad histamine symptoms all the time?

To be honest i don't know how high histamine feels like. Some of my symptoms maybe could be explained by histamine but im unsure. Apple Cider Vinegar is giving me headache, for example.

 

[corvetteseeker]

What has always caused my frequent urination (besides extra liquids) is consuming something I am intolerant to like dairy. Or more commonly, stress on the body which throws the anti diuretic hormone out of balance. For me, extended fasting causes it rather consistently although interestingly enough zero carb doesn't.

 

[redsun]

I took 1 gram a day for a while but didn't give attention whether it improved. Im going to get some vit C asap to see if it does anything.


I think so. Eating liver kind of gives me improvement but i can't really say it's significant. Maybe milder than eating just chocolate alone. I thought this could be explained by the zinc content of liver maybe.


I have been taking zinc for about two weeks and from my first day experience, i think it even does harm. More emotional numbness, and i feel my brain has deteoriated faster in this time. But at the same time i got some improvements though it could be also from the magnesium (epsom salt, magnesium oxide). I made a mistake by mixing so many things, taking them at the same time.


To be honest i don't know how high histamine feels like. Some of my symptoms maybe could be explained by histamine but im unsure. Apple Cider Vinegar is giving me headache, for example.

If you don't have lots of sneezing, mucus, allergies. Then likely its not histamine issue mainly. Likely you are just getting an acute histamine reaction because the food you are eating has high amounts of histamine.

Emotional numbness does suggest zinc will not help in fact zinc usually makes it worse. The small amounts of zinc in liver would not make you worse. This is the problem with PSSD, it usually is not fixed so easily and its complicated.

 

[Doludolu]

Periodontal infection is one that's all too common. Urinary tract infection affects elderly people. And then there are low-level (no fever) infections in biofilms along the gut wall, blood vessels walls, and there are intracellular pathogens.


That isn't optimal, on the acidic side.

Could be from poor sugar metabolism, leading to lactic acid production - either from low oxygen transport by blood (hypoxemia), or hypoxia (low tissue oxygenation from low CO2 production stemming from sugar metabolism getting stuck at the glycolysis stage- anaerobic or aerobic). Aerobic glycolysis happens when, even with the availability of oxygen, the oxygen isn't well-utilized in the electron transport chain, due to some enzymes and metabolites lacking.

Or from relying too much on fatty acid metabolism on energy, producing too much keto acids.

An infection could alter also the metabolic pathway from oxidative phosphorylation towards glycolysis. I think by just just directing metabolism towards the pentose phosphate pathway, to produce more NADPH, needed to produce ROS as well as antioxidants, in responding to the infection - as an adaptation, would divert the use of oxygen and glucose from oxidative phosphorylation. Not only that, but pathogens rely on primitive metabolism where lactate is produced.

thanks for all the info. I do have some serious dental (enamel) problems. Frequent urinarion could be perhaps due to infection. Gut symptoms there are, I did some protocols for SIBO / Candida / Parasite cleanse, but they werent 100% succesful.

Urine acidic you say, yes. Well there is a chance my metabolism is still slowly upping, since I came from a more restricted diet (with carbs), but more fasting. Long time ago had some timeframes on keto diet. So sounds more like hypoxia, rather than hypoxemia (albeit I'm prone to slightly lower Hemoglobin). Lower blood pressure too.

Gotta test what infections could there be. And clean them out. Thanks, brother.

high adrenaline/ serotonin/ estrogen.

things like niacinamide, b2, b6, zinc,

completely stop any frequent urination issues i might have

thank you

What has always caused my frequent urination (besides extra liquids) is consuming something I am intolerant to like dairy. Or more commonly, stress on the body which throws the anti diuretic hormone out of balance. For me, extended fasting causes it rather consistently although interestingly enough zero carb doesn't.

I just calculated, I consume over 3 L of water a day + - - about 2,1 L water with himalayan salt and more than 1kg of fruit a day which gives more. If I add up + veggies, I guess it may be simply too much water. Although I try to balance it out with healthy salt. Yes, on stressors I agree, for me that's caffeine.

 

[ljihkugft7]

This always happens to me when I get Candidia flare ups.

My blood sugar gets really sensitive too, and I get all the prediabetic symptoms:

Urinating +11 x daily (ideal 4-5)
Extreme thirst
Transparent urine (ideal straw colour)
Waking up in the night to pee
Waking up at 3-4am suddenly
Brain fog
Ammonia smelling BO

I’m not sure if the Candida flare comes first or if it’s culmination of bad blood sugar habits (eating spoonfuls of honey on an empty stomach...).


Either way, Mitolifes serrapeptase supplement really seemed to help a lot with my most recent Candida flare up.