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Force Similar To Anti-gravity Observed In Real Life

Discussion in 'Scientific Studies' started by haidut, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. haidut

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    As a person who works in the IT industry and has launched a few startups before, I often read the user-curated news site Hacker News. A few days ago, an article caught my eye. It seems that the article describes the generation of an electrostatic force capable of forming an invisible wall through which material objects (including humans and other living creatures) cannot pass. While the effect was horizontal, you can see from the comments below the article that other people thought of the same thing that passed through my mind - what if the repulsive force of that invisible wall was aimed upwards, along the direction of gravity? Given the apparent interest in the phenomena from NASA and a number of 3-letter agencies, I suspect there is a lab (or maybe more than one) doing follow up on work this phenomenon.
    @pimpnamedraypeat

    David Swenson's electrostatic "invisible wall" (1996)
    "...David Swenson of 3M Corporation describes an anomaly where workers encountered a strange "invisible wall" in the area under a fast-moving sheet of electrically charged polypropelene film in a factory. This "invisible wall" was strong enough to prevent humans from passing through. A person near this "wall" was unable to turn, and so had to walk backwards to retreat from it. This occurred in late summer in South Carolina, August 1980, in extremely high humidity. Polypropelene (PP) film on 50K ft. rolls 20ft wide was being slit and transferred to multiple smaller spools. The film was taken off the main roll at high speed, flowed upwards 20ft to overhead rollers, passed horizontally 20ft and then downwards to the slitting device, where it was spooled onto shorter rolls. The whole operation formed a cubical shaped tent, with two walls and a ceiling approximately 20ft square. The spools ran at 1000ft/min, or about 10MPH. The PP film had been manufactured with dissimilar surface structure on opposing faces. Contact electrification can occur even in similar materials if the surface textures or micro-structures are significantly different. The generation of a large imbalance of electrical surface-charge during unspooling was therefore not unexpected, and is a common problem in this industry. "Static cling" in the megavolt range!"

    "...On entering the factory floor and far from the equipment, Mr. Swenson's 200KV/ft handheld electrometer was found to slam to full scale. When he attempted to walk through the corridor formed by the moving film, he was stopped about half way through by an "invisible wall." He could lean all his weight forward but was unable to pass. He observed a fly get pulled into the charged, moving plastic, and speculates that the e-fields might have been strong enough to suck in birds! The production manager did not believe Mr. Swenson's report of the strange phenomena. When they both returned to the factory floor, they found that the "wall" was no longer there. But the production workers had noticed the effect as occurring early in the morning when humidity was lower, so they agreed to try again another day. The second attempt was successful, and early in the morning the field underneath the "tent" was strong enough to raise even the short, curly hair of the production manager. The "invisible wall" effect had returned. He commented that he "didn't know whether to fix it or sell tickets."

    "...ALSO: dc469 5/2016
    I met this guy at an ESD meeting in austin once. He said the strength of the field maxed out his equipment at a distance so he couldn't get a maximum measurement.
    After he published the paper he was contacted by NASA and all the three letter agencies asking for more info. He wanted to experiment around with it but no company had millions to throw into such a project (presumably, the government did). It had to be a pretty narrow window of temperature, pressure, humidity, etc. They kept the garage door open so that's where the insects and sparrows got sucked in (which obviously ruined the product).
    He said it was actually known to the technicians for awhile before he experienced it and they just were kinda like "meh". Eventually they fixed the grounding issue on the machine and the problem never popped up again.
    edit: found the ESD website. David Swenson apparently is still with them on their board of directors. CenTxESDAssoc"
     
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    That's incredible. No doubt the military industrial complex took over the research. Check out this patent
    Us 8981261 | Shock Wave | Electric Arc
    A force field created by an electric arc. Very similar. The closest we will get to that technology is these not so subtle hints in the media

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    If it can be done accidentally in a lab then it can almost certainly be achieved naturally and at far greater magnitude. I wonder if the biblical firmament wasn't one of these force fields.
     
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    Wow, so if Boeing was granted this in 2015 this means work on this probably went on for decades before filing for patents as companies like Boeing typically do not file unless the technology is proven enough to expect immediate sales. I guess we don't have to wonder about Area 52 any more. Those aircraft capable of instantly changing direction are most likely military developments related to the patent...or our advanced ancestors who survived the prehistoric cataclysms (as you said). There is also a patent system maintained by DISA (Pentagon) which is off-limits to the public. It holds highly classified patents, which are still owned by private companies but because they are of such vital importance to national security they are not released to the public. I bet that database has some very exciting technological ideas, while the public is still being told that turbopro/jet is still the technology to rule flying for decades to come :):
     
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    I'm going to rewatch that movie
     
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    I reckon the advanced aircraft are using a combination of gyroscopic technology and free energy. Gyroscopes have their own inertial frame of reference so they can turn on a dime and seemingly defy gravity.

    The is no end to what technology can do. From teleportation to instantiation - the limits are endless. If we could tap into the ether we would have root access to the universe and be able to do anything and be anything.

    Ben rich second director of skunk works supposedly said;

    "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

    110 years ago Nikolai Tesla wrote a paper where he compared electricity to a genies lamp. How's this for an imagination:

    "According to an adopted theory, every ponderable atom is differentiated from a tenuous fluid, filling all space merely by spinning motion, as a whirl of water in a calm lake. By being set in movement this fluid, the ether, becomes gross matter. Its movement arrested, the primary substance reverts to its normal state. It appears, then, possible for man through harnessed energy of the medium and suitable agencies for starting and stopping ether whirls to cause matter to form and disappear. At his command, almost without effort on his part, old worlds would vanish and new ones would spring into being. He could alter the size of this planet, control its seasons, adjust its distance from the sun, guide it on its eternal journey along any path he might choose, through the depths of the universe. He could make planets collide and produce his suns and stars, his heat and light; he could originate life in all its infinite forms. To cause at will the birth and death of matter would be man's grandest deed, which would give him the mastery of physical creation, make him fulfill his ultimate destiny.

    ...The truth is the electrician has been put in possession of a veritable lamp of Aladdin. All he has to do is to rub it. Now, to rub the lamp of Aladdin is no achievement." -- How the Electrician's Lamp of Aladdin May Construct New Worlds, The New York Times, 1908

    If what he said is even partially correct (and I believe it is) then mankind has access to powers that would make zeus himself blush.
     
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    Since you mentioned gyroscopes, you will really love this.
    https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-forgotten-mystery-of-inertia
    "...This sorcerer’s apprentice had discovered that for $900 you could buy a surplus intercontinental ballistic missile, 10 years before the electronics were declassified. His Titan was delivered on two railway cars, “Kiev Titan Missile” stamped on the crates. He junked the body, donated the engines to an art museum, and saved the electronics for his research. A tall tale? Sounds like one, but the gyro platform was there for all to see. I didn’t understand it, nor did my mad interlocutor, and anyone who claims otherwise is not being entirely honest. Despite a gyroscope’s utter simplicity—it is, after all, nothing more than a wheel on an axle—it remains the most fascinating and mysterious device ever created. Spin up the wheel, place it on a pedestal, and there it stays, pointed at…?"

    And if this was not enough, gyroscopes apparently can behave (when spinning) as if they can oppose Earth's gravity. See video in first link below for live demonstration.
    Gyroscope Physics
    Anti-gravity - Wikipedia
    "...Gyroscopes produce a force when twisted that operates "out of plane" and can appear to lift themselves against gravity. Although this force is well understood to be illusory, even under Newtonian models, it has nevertheless generated numerous claims of anti-gravity devices and any number of patented devices. None of these devices have ever been demonstrated to work under controlled conditions, and have often become the subject of conspiracy theories as a result. A famous example is that of Professor Eric Laithwaite of Imperial College, London, in the 1974 address to the Royal Institution.[16]. Another "rotating device" example is shown in a series of patents granted to Henry Wallace between 1968 and 1974. His devices consist of rapidly spinning disks of brass, a material made up largely of elements with a total half-integer nuclear spin. He claimed that by rapidly rotating a disk of such material, the nuclear spin became aligned, and as a result created a "gravitomagnetic" field in a fashion similar to the magnetic field created by the Barnett effect.[17][18][19] No independent testing or public demonstration of these devices is known."

    As you can see, the gyro behavior is being explained away on Wikipedia. However, that very quote has hint that somethign called the Barnett Effect may be involved. If you read the explanation on the Barnett Effect, it seems to easily explain the gyro's behavior assuming there is an electrical ether filling all space.
    Barnett effect - Wikipedia
    "...The Barnett effect is the magnetization of an uncharged body when spun on its axis.[1] It was discovered by American physicist Samuel Barnett in 1915.[2] An uncharged object rotating with angular velocity ω tends to spontaneously magnetize, with a magnetization given by:
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    with γ = gyromagnetic ratio for the material, χ = magnetic susceptibility.

    The magnetization occurs parallel to the axis of spin. Barnett was motivated by a prediction by Owen Richardson in 1908, later named the Einstein–de Haas effect, that magnetizing a ferromagnet can induce a mechanical rotation. He instead looked for the opposite effect, that is, that spinning a ferromagnet could change its magnetization. He established the effect with a long series of experiments between 1908 and 1915."

    If I understand this correctly, in an EUT-type reality there is no such thing as uncharged objects. As such, any material object that spins in a background electrical field (ether) will create a magnetic field. Wikipedia does not say that the Barnett Effect explanation is bunk. It just says it has not been confirmed independently. In addition, it seems to explain the concave shape of water in the rotating bucket example from the original article on mystery of inertia. If the water magnetizes due to rotation and produces a magnetic field parallel to the axis of rotation then it is quite natural for it to change shape and elongate along the created magnetic field. The same principle seems to be at work in the gyroscope - once rotating rapidly the gyro creates a magnetic field parallel to the primary axis (rod) of rotation for the wheel. So, the rod aligns itself with that magnetic field and it resists disturbance but only for as long as there is rotation. When the rotation stops, the magnetic field disappears and the gyro becomes just a clumsy hung of metal. If all of this is true then there is no need for Mach principle or invoking the distant stars/galaxies to somehow control the gyro's behavior.
    Now, let's take this a step up. It seems that all planets, stars and galaxies rotate.
    Are there planets that do not rotate on their axis?
    https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_a_planet_or_star_exist_without_rotating_on_its_axis

    So, are planets/stars/galaxies akin to gyroscopes? Does gravity depend on rotation, or at least can gravity be cancelled/opposed by rotation?

    Anyways, apparently nobody knows how gyroscopes work and we are just being fed complete BS about the various frames of reference. Not just us, but every physics student unfortunate enough to be exposed to university education.
    "...The backwater of Mach’s Principle holds many lessons. One is that the teaching of undergraduate physics has become divorced from the practice of physics. From arbitrary conventions that are presented as natural laws, to the insistence on precise answers to unrealistic problems, to the banishment of concepts such as centrifugal force, university physics has evolved to inhibit creativity rather than encourage it. How can one hold high the tenets of relativity—that physics can be performed in any reference frame—while simultaneously declaring that Newton’s laws hold only in inertial frames? How can one begin to discuss Mach’s Principle if one denies the very existence of centrifugal forces? Aye, centrifugal forces disappear in inertial frames; gravity disappears in free-falling elevators. Does that mean that gravity is a fictitious force?"

    As far as controlling the weather (as per Tesla's quote), it's already here and has been used by the US (and possibly others) military since the Vietnam War.
    https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/the-secret-weather-manipulation-program-of-the-vietnam-1689249533
    http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
     
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    Amazing.

    I wonder if the heart creates a magnetic field by rotating the blood in its various chambers

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    Yes they've taken physics away from observations and experimentation to math games and word play. Remeber string theory? What a joke. I find it hard to believe it's all accidental.

    Somewhere out there they're doing real science and making ground breaking discoveries we can only dream about.

    I've always heard that Vietnam was a testing ground for new weapons. While they were causing landslides to wipe out supply lines, monsanto was destroying the crops so they had no cover. Agent orange didn't dissapear after the Vietnam war. It's still used today in pesticides. Most likely the weather modification didn't dissapear either. Those california fires were awfully suspicious.

    Tesla claims to have made earthquakes as early as the 1890s. Can you imagine how far the technology has progresses since then?

    Do you think it's possible to do the things tesla claimed? To make matter out of empty space and create new worlds out of nothing. I can't see anything wrong in his claims but the thought alone is staggering. It makes me wonder about the source of the (visible) universe, about god...life.
     
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    Thomas Pynchon worked for Boeing after graduating from Cornell and before becoming a Novelist. In his novel “The Crying of Lot 49” he likens looking down at he ground from an airplane to observing a circuit board.
     
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    I don't see why not, since there is no such thing as...nothing. There is only ether, in eternal motion and out of it arises all "matter" - i..e matter being simply a very rapidly spinning vortex in that ether. The perception of "hardness" or "materiality" come from the speed of rotation. So, matter creation would simply require spinning some ether into VERY rapid motion. Ray said that cosmic rays would be a form of newly created matter - i.e. an act of continuous creation, which would happen everywhere in the Universe (including Earth) and thus produce the effect of "cosmic background radiation".
    Thunderstorms Can Trigger Nuclear Reactions; Are A Source Of "cosmic" Rays
    "..."N.A. Kozyrev, an astrophysicist, looked at the issue historically, and concluded that the 19th century people who promulgated the first and second laws were just mathematizing their fairly fundamentalist Christian beliefs, building on the preceding Deists, who saw the world as a big clock set in motion in The Beginning by the Big Watchmaker. Realizing that there was, and is, simply no evidence for the way they formulated the laws, asserting that time could just as well run in either direction. Kozyrev worked out the implications of considering that time works the way it seems to, moving only in one direction. With that assumption, the passage of time introduces negative entropy constantly into the system. Kozyrev’s calculation from that assumption showed that any mass, existing through time, converts negentropy into energy, and it works out to predict that the amount of energy coming out of the sun and stars is consistent with the observed energy, but is derived from the asymmetry of time, rather than from nuclear reactions. He then scaled the figures to the planets, and predicted the amount of heat coming from Jupiter and Saturn; his figures were confirmed decades later when the space probes made measurements at close range. The internal heat of the earth was on the same scale, so he estimated the amount of heat that should be produced by the mass of the moon, and predicted that there would be volcanic activity there. Since he was an astronomer, he aimed a telescope at the dark side of the moon, with infrared sensitive film, and showed periodic hot eruptions. A little earlier, Fred Soddy (famous for work in nuclear fission and isotopes) proposed continuing creation, and suggested that cosmic rays are newly formed atoms, and if this creation is happening everywhere, there should be a certain amount of “background” microwave radiation coming from all directions. Years later when radiation of that sort was detected, the Deisitic Fundamentalists proclaimed that they had discovered evidence of The Big Bang at the Time of Creation, and ignored Soddy’s prediction."

    I made a post recently confirming Ray's statements above - i.e. thunderstorms can create cosmic rays here on Earth.
    Thunderstorms Can Trigger Nuclear Reactions; Are A Source Of "cosmic" Rays

    Some additional food for thought based on what Tesla and Shauberger said/wrote. I have not seen anything so far that would contradict the ideas of Tesla, Schauberger, Peat, Halton Arp, Soddy, etc. Look at quote 2 - does that remind you of the gyroscope??
    Another Theory Of The Universe With No Big Bang
    "...*That the luminiferous ether fills all space * That the ether is acted upon by the life-giving creative force * That the ether is thrown into "infinitesimal whirls" ("micro helices") at near the speed of light, becoming ponderable matter * That when the force subsides and motion ceases, matter reverts to the ether (a form of "atomic decay")."

    "...Tesla's ether was rigidified by rapidly varying electrostatic forces, and was thereby involved in gravitational effects, inertia, and momentum, especially in the space near earth, since, as explained by Tesla, the earth is "...like a charged metal ball moving through space", which creates the enormous, rapidly varying electrostatic forces which diminish in intensity with the square of the distance from earth, just like gravity. Since the direction of propagation radiates from the earth, the so-called force of gravity is toward earth.----this is almost identical to explanation of Schauberger about gradient of formative energy from the earth surface to the earth atmosphere."

    "...An electrically charged body, by comparison, had a superfluity or an insufficiency of fluidium. In this regard, the physicist Rosenberg states that, on the basis of this theory, the question of the material nature of electricity is in no way clarified. From the most recent research into the conduction of electricity in rarefied gases, however, we now know that electrically charged particles (electrons) come into being, their mass amounting to 1/1700 th of the mass of a hydrogen atom."

    "...A variety of experiments led to the insight, startling to all technologists no doubt, that a physical force of gravity exists only in the atmospheric living-space, and even then only to a certain extent. At first view it seems amazing, even impossible, that the force of gravity can be overcome almost effortlessly, and that physical heaviness will become equally non-existent, in the same way that a healthy organism is barely conscious of its own bodily weight.
    The most instructive and revealing demonstration of this phenomenon is not only the mountain trout's almost motionless stance amidst torrential flows of springwater, but also its lightning flight upstream when danger threatens. In the spawning season — during the period of highest sexual arousal — it can surmount waterfalls many metres high with the greatest of ease. For this to happen the falling water has to wind in about its own fall-axis through a system of hollow, spiral curves. In the process of falling, its density is increased mechanically, it becomes specifically heavier through coactive physical influences, and approaches its anomaly point of +4°C (+39.2°F). Such waterfalls exhibit a fall-pattern that becomes progressively more conical towards the base, and within it a biomagnetic field evolves that radiates levitative substances. These substances should be understood as formative and uplifting atomic forces, which on a larger scale trigger off hitherto unidentified forces which are active in cyclones. In this instance, however, they screw the trout's body upwards along a spiral path until the point of the initial downward curvature of the water is reached. The trout then leaps under its own power, entering the upwardly tractive water flow above the waterfall in which it moves effortlessly upstream with a characteristic twisting and looping movement, eventually reaching the vicinity of a spring."

    "...Ultimately they resolve themselves into almost physically palpable energetic entities such as tornadoes and waterspouts, whose core at the base, where the rotational velocity is greatest, is very nearly hard, physical, matter. From being ephemeral, they have become almost tangible. Their upper roots originate in relatively low-density atmospheric conditions, which can be equated with a less structured and more radially dynamic energy-state, since this zone is more exposed to high-energy solar radiation, whereas the base of the tornado penetrates into greater atmospheric densities which are synonymous with more structured, rotational conditions of energy. The effective density of tornadoes is such that their naturally occurring vortexial energies have been known to bend steel railway lines. Using this as an analogy for the structural development of the atom, which is of course infinitely smaller and has a much higher rate of rotation and vibration, then it becomes clearer how physical matter could come into being through the focusing of energies at one particular point. Therefore in almost nothing is almost everything. Taken to its extreme, it could therefore be said that in nothing is everything; that all manifestation emerges through the 'eye of the needle' as it were, from the high-potency, formless void of the ECI. Our world is thus, indeed, a world of illusion! "

    "...Having been extracted from food, apart from metabolic functions, these often very subtle immaterial energies are used for the production of thought processes. From a certain point of view, the human body could therefore be seen as a hollow energy path, a com-plex toroidal vortex for the transmutation of matter-energy into physical and intellectual activity. In line with this view, energy and its move-ment are unquestionably the primary cause, the prerequisite for physical manifestation. "
     
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    That reminds me a bit of the discussion we had here

    The Great RPF Origin Of Species Poll

    I would say the difference between a biomimicking and circuitry-mimicking city is that one arises gradually as a result of time and natural growth, while the other is a result of "planned development".

    I would wager that all the major, long lasting cities, those "hubs of civizations" look more like living nerves than a circuit board.

    But nowadays it's usually a mixture of both. What were once living cities have been replaced by cyborg versions of themselves. Half alive half machine.

    This city, for example, is laid out like a grid, but it still defaults to biomimicry when it tries to solve the problem of diverting traffic without slowing it.

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    Mind blown...literally

    This post got me wondering...If lightning storms can create new matter, then what about thoughts?

    Heres my logic. @Such_Saturation posted about brain cells having 5x the voltage of a lightning bolt.

    If lightning storms can produce cosmic rays
    and brain cells have voltages that are 5x those of lightning
    Then can intense brain activity (similar to thunderstorms) produce cosmic rays? Hmm. Just because lightning and brain activity are both electrical doesn't mean they're anything alike. One is a geoelectric phenomena and the other is, well, brain activity. The size difference alone should end the discussion.

    They would both have to be exhibit scale-invariant properties to even begin comparing them

    "Brain electromagnetic activity and lightning: potentially congruent scale-invariant quantitative properties

    The space-time characteristics of the axonal action potential are remarkably similar to the scaled equivalents of lightning. The energy and current densities from these transients within their respective volumes or cross-sectional areas are the same order of magnitude. Length–velocity ratios and temporal durations are nearly identical. There are similar chemical consequences such as the production of nitric oxide. Careful, quantitative examination of the characteristics of lightning may reveal analogous features of the action potential that could lead to a more accurate understanding of these powerful correlates of neurocognitive processes."​

    Really makes you think.

    It's getting late I'll post the rest tomorrow
     
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    Go on please. Is this study saying lightnings produce NO?? If yes, I wonder what its purpose for a storm is...There is uncanny similarity between the propagation of lightning in the stormy sky and the propagation of electrical impulses along a nerve cell.
    Btw, apparently Peat also told some people over email that thunderstorms are alive and have "personalities". I think I first heard it from @Such_Saturation years ago so maybe he can clarify. Unless I am misremembering as my cosmic ray machine is getting ready to sleep and is not functioning as it should be :):
     
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    Yes thunderstorms produces NO. I would guess It's the intense flashes of heat that combine oxygen and nitrogen. I don't quite grasp the role of NO in the body but I read a study that says that NO is responsible for the "fire together wire together" effect thst organizes neuron behavior.
    Have you seen this study that shows that NO can be produced biologically without the enzyme NOS. I found it interesting because it specifically mentioned low metabolism causing enzyme-independent NO production.
    "Non-enzymatic nitric oxide synthesis in biological systems
    Studies from our laboratory and others have shown that enzyme-independent NO formation occurs in biological systems under acidic conditions and is further increased in the presence of a highly reduced metabolic state. The substrate source of this NO is nitrite, rather than the NOS substrate, l-arginine. Under hypoxic conditions, this NO accumulates in tissues and binds to a variety of cellular heme proteins. This mechanism of NO formation is a generalized phenomenon which can occur in all biological tissues. In important disease states, such as ischemia or shock, where acidosis and marked hypoxia occur, this pathway becomes the major source of NO and the magnitude of NO generation can be much greater than that which would be formed by normal tissue concentrations of NOS. The existence of this enzyme-independent mechanism of NO formation has important implications in our understanding of the pathogenesis and treatment of disease"

    The study comparing thunderstorms to brain activity cites a number of other studies that seem to hint at neurons being reified lightning bolts. They're shockingly similar
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    I think it's a bit like platos Forms. Plato claimed that our method of classification and differentiation is short sighted and that we tend to group seperately things that function on the same principle (take neurology and climatology) just because they seem different, when in reality they share a deep connection or even arise from the same source.

    "Str. Should we not say that the division according to classes, which neither makes the same other, nor makes other the same, is the business of the dialectical science?

    Theaet. That is what we should say.

    Str. Then, surely, he who can divide rightly is able to see clearly one form pervading a scattered multitude, and many different forms contained under one higher form; and again, one form knit together into a single whole and pervading many such wholes, and many forms, existing only in separation and isolation."


    Electricity is this one Form pervading a scattered multitude. Electricity pervades plasma in the case of lightning and protein in the case of neurons. And a million other mediums I'm sure.

    I really suggest you read the article. It's incredibly informative and leaves no doubt that lightning is anologous to brain activity both at the local level (comparing a lightning strike to a neuronal impulse) and the global level (comparing brain waves to the geomagnetic field)

    The article has me convinced that, in an alien way we're not fully capable of comprehending, the earth is capable of "thinking". The idea we have of thunderstorms being fairly random is dead wrong. They're no more random than nerves firing. It seems like, if a lightning bolt is a neuron, then the ionosohere is a brain.

    As far as memory storage goes, lightning strikes to the ground can have permanent effects and leave a record.

    The majority of lightning happens within clouds, with cloud to ground bursts being relatively rare in comparison. What if intra and inter cloud lightning could be seen as the earth "computing", and cloud to ground bursts as the earth storing the result in magnetized rock. The magnetized rock will have an effect on subsequent lightning storms, either increasing or decreasing the likelihood of a cloud to ground burst depending on polarity, thus setting up a sort of feedback system.

    I'm not an electric engineer so I'm a bit out of my field but it seems like there must be a collorary in the tech world. Maybe those old magnetic disk tapes with the polarization signifying the ones and zeros?

    Lol. I wouldn't doubt that they live, however shortly. It reminds me of one of my favorite tesla quotes. I used it recently but here it goes again:

    "We can conceive of organized beings living without nourishment, and deriving all the energy they need for the performance of their life functions from the ambient medium. In a crystal we have the clear evidence of the existence of a formative life-principle, and though we cannot understand the life of a crystal, it is none the less a living being. There may be, besides crystals, other such individualized, material systems of beings, perhaps of gaseous constitution, or composed of substance still more tenuous. In view of this possibility, nay, probability, we cannot apodictically deny the existence of organized beings on a planet merely because the conditions on the same are unsuitable for the existence of life as we conceive it. We cannot even, with positive assurance, assert that some of them might not be present here, in this our world, in the very midst of us, for their constitutionand life-manifestation may be such that we are unable to perceive them"

    Perhaps thunderstorms are these forms of life, and the "tenuous substance" is plasma. Now that I think about it plasma is more tenous that gas. In fact it's the only thing more tenuous that gas (certainly liquids and solids aren't) so what else could he have meant.
    Interesting, considering the universe is 99.9% plasma.
    So if, according to Peat and Tesla, lightning storms are alive, and lightning is made out of plasma, and the universe is made out of plasma, and the universe experiences lightning storms made out of bierkland currents, then why wouldn't the universe be alive?
     
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    There is a dude who goes by Shamangineer who gives interviews at highersidechats. He talks about electrogravitics and vortex technology, which have been metioned in this thread, and a bunch of other stuff. He is a bit uncritical in my view, but very interesting and intelligent.

    Schaubergers implosion technology might also be interesting.
     
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    Nice thank you. Listening to it now
     
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    Fascinating! I will read the article over the weekend.
    Btw, as far as Tesla's quote goes - there are already life forms that have been shown to "eat" pure electricity. So, if we already have bacteria eating literal electrons, then I am wondering why NASA is not incorporating these life forms into its search for life on other planets?? It seems rather biased (as Tesla said) to search only for stuff that resembles...us.
    Biologists discover electric bacteria that eat pure electrons rather than sugar, redefining the tenacity of life - ExtremeTech

    If the Earth ionosphere is the brain and it also uses electricity to think, then maybe we are doing a lot more damage with our EMF pollution than we thought. Maybe we are messing with Mother Earth's thought processes and I am not sure she will be pleased and kind to us in turn...
     
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    No she will not. Mother nature is due for one of her regular baths that will wipe off all the yucky germs that are making her sick.

    Ill tade your electron eating bacteria for this

    Clue to earthquake lightning mystery
    Using a tub of plain kitchen flour, they discovered an entirely new physical phenomenon.

    "We took a tupperware container filled with flour, tipped it back and forth until cracks appeared, and it produced 200 volts of charge.

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    "There isn't a mechanism I know that can explain this. It seems to be new physics. "

    Repeat experiments with other granular materials produced the same voltage phenomenon.

    "This is not what you typically think of as static - it's not like rubber shoes against a nylon carpet. This is two layers of exactly the same material rubbing against each other - and generating voltage."

    What's perhaps most strange, or interesting about the phenomenon, is that there is no known explanation for it. It doesn't appear to be simple friction, as it occurs with other materials when they separate rather than rub, such as with Scotch tape as it is unreeled, or with Mint Life Savers when they're broken.

    "How is this happening? Your guess is as good as mine."

    "I think the reason that no-one has reported this before is that no-one has thought to look."
     
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    Wow, amazing! Wouldn't that immediately suggest "free" energy principle of some sort? Where is this voltage coming from if it is not from the mass-to-energy conversion of the material involved?
    Btw, the scotch tape being unreeled sounds similar to the plastic film causing the blocking field in the 3M plant. So, we have at least one independent confirmation if this happening in everyday circumstances.
     
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