First Time Using Low-dose Pregnenolone (1-3mg), Pheromone Like Effects?

[golder]

I remember a bodybuilding saying that DHEA didn't really have an effect on him, but he described a time-release patch of DHEA and pregnenolone as having identical effects to those experienced while on a cycle of anabolic steroids. Dr. Peat has mentioned that he grew a bit while taking, if I recall, DHEA, and pregnenolone converts into the other steroids including DHEA. DHEA's anabolic effects on bone and tendons could be responsible for the swelling. Pregnenolone can also lower cortisol, where cortisol itself has a diuretic effect, so it may have caused water retention, but it's difficult to say. It could also be a contaminated product; Dr. Peat believes that all pregnenolone supplements on the market have sub-par purity and can have estrogenic effects. Lastly, pregnenolone may convert directly into progesterone, and small amounts of progesterone can liberate estrogen from the body's tissues. However, lower dosages of progesterone have a less pronounced anti-estrogenic effect compared to that of higher dosages and can result in greater estrogenicity.

I wonder where we can get the time released pred/DHEA patches. I would be really interested in trying these. Would be great if anyone could point me in the right direction.

 

[DaveFoster]

I wonder where we can get the time released pred/DHEA patches. I would be really interested in trying these. Would be great if anyone could point me in the right direction.

I'm not sure about a source for a patch with time-released DHEA and pregnenolone, but, when topically applied, the two hormones convert into the androgens moreso than when consumed orally. I've made topical formulations with DMSO, and Idea Labs DC currently uses SFA esters in their Pansterone product, which has DHEA and pregnenolone. I've used it in the past for increased sexual performance, and it worked well for that. I've never used it for bodybuilding purposes, but that's my current goal, so I'll be trying it soon as an alternative to anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS).

 

[milk_lover]

If you ended up doing this, I'd be curious as to what result you had. Thanks.

Oh I tried it and it gave me puffy nipples and bloating. I suspect it either increased my progesterone or estrogen. I don't know which one. I only tried 1.65mg twice on the wrists. So you can see it's a very small dose. Orally, it even gave me worse symptoms. I concluded from that experiment, pregnenlone is just not for me.

 

[Insomnia]

I remember a bodybuilding saying that DHEA didn't really have an effect on him, but he described a time-release patch of DHEA and pregnenolone as having identical effects to those experienced while on a cycle of anabolic steroids. Dr. Peat has mentioned that he grew a bit while taking, if I recall, DHEA, and pregnenolone converts into the other steroids including DHEA. DHEA's anabolic effects on bone and tendons could be responsible for the swelling. Pregnenolone can also lower cortisol, where cortisol itself has a diuretic effect, so it may have caused water retention, but it's difficult to say. It could also be a contaminated product; Dr. Peat believes that all pregnenolone supplements on the market have sub-par purity and can have estrogenic effects. Lastly, pregnenolone may convert directly into progesterone, and small amounts of progesterone can liberate estrogen from the body's tissues. However, lower dosages of progesterone have a less pronounced anti-estrogenic effect compared to that of higher dosages and can result in greater estrogenicity.

Thanks Dave,

Multiple people mentioned topical use, if I ever do try it again then I'll apply it topically. I assume that Haiduts and Health Natura's brands have pregnenolone from good sources without them being contaminated?

 

[DaveFoster]

Thanks Dave,

Multiple people mentioned topical use, if I ever do try it again then I'll apply it topically. I assume that Haiduts and Health Natura's brands have pregnenolone from good sources without them being contaminated?

Probably not, but Idea Labs DC's would likely be the purer of the two.

 

[Frankdee20]

I remember a bodybuilding saying that DHEA didn't really have an effect on him, but he described a time-release patch of DHEA and pregnenolone as having identical effects to those experienced while on a cycle of anabolic steroids. Dr. Peat has mentioned that he grew a bit while taking, if I recall, DHEA, and pregnenolone converts into the other steroids including DHEA. DHEA's anabolic effects on bone and tendons could be responsible for the swelling. Pregnenolone can also lower cortisol, where cortisol itself has a diuretic effect, so it may have caused water retention, but it's difficult to say. It could also be a contaminated product; Dr. Peat believes that all pregnenolone supplements on the market have sub-par purity and can have estrogenic effects. Lastly, pregnenolone may convert directly into progesterone, and small amounts of progesterone can liberate estrogen from the body's tissues. However, lower dosages of progesterone have a less pronounced anti-estrogenic effect compared to that of higher dosages and can result in greater estrogenicity.

Interesting about the transdermal DHEA. Haidutt did mention that topical DHEA is very androgenic.

 

[vulture]

I don’t know if I’m insensitive or what, I find intriguing how people here with 1 mg of preg DHEA seems to get a noticeable effect while me on 5 mg of T gel daily on scrotum won’t get such notorious effects...

 

[Mossy]

Oh I tried it and it gave me puffy nipples and bloating. I suspect it either increased my progesterone or estrogen. I don't know which one. I only tried 1.65mg twice on the wrists. So you can see it's a very small dose. Orally, it even gave me worse symptoms. I concluded from that experiment, pregnenlone is just not for me.

Ok, thanks for sharing.

 

[Insomnia]

I don’t know if I’m insensitive or what, I find intriguing how people here with 1 mg of preg DHEA seems to get a noticeable effect while me on 5 mg of T gel daily on scrotum won’t get such notorious effects...

That's okay, I'd probably be sceptical too if it didn't produce effects for me. Sometimes I read people getting effects from different things they do and when I tried the same thing, it never did that for me hence why I'd find it odd. However, I never disclosed the stories holding some truth to it because I beleive that we're not all the same in a way that our body handles things differently (whether it'd be the cause of defective genes or something else etc. etc.). I don't know it's just an assumption.

As for the Pregnenolone, I am still not 100% sure whether it was the cause (99.99% sure) but one way to find out is to use it again today. However, I won't do that because the experience wasn't pleasant and I don't want to go through that again since the unpleasant effects lasted for days.

I hope that Pregnenolone works out for people who plan to use it, perhaps I will try it again one day.

 

[japanesedude]

Has anyone had experience with androsterone?

 

[Cecilia L.]

Pregnenolone can definitely act as pheromone and make you more attractive. 3 mg is very low dose thou, try 50 mg next time and see how you feel.

Getting erection around girls is very healthy sign and it releases more hormones in the air that attract females, its basic animal biology. Female animals in the wild can sense when male is ready to mate, and NoFap does that. If you bust a nut everyday to porn, i bet my **** off that females can sense that this guy is empty and done, why bother with him. But if you do NoFap and no porn, your chances are much higher to get laid.

Pregnenolone is proven estrogen blocker so it lowers estrogen.

What brand of Pregnenolone do you use? new learner there would love to do some research on brands? any oral brands that are reputable?

 

[danishispsychic]

um , im not a guy or anything but for me, 10 mg is what i take. it does seem to build up- so i think that 10 for 5 days on a couple day off is a safe way to take it . my experience with it is that works v much like micro doing mushrooms. colors become brighter, creativity better. when i sunbathe in my yard however, i DO notice that birds sort of flock to me more... i thought i was imagining it at first but the the hummingbirds starting to get verrry friendly. peace.

 

[Makrosky]

um , im not a guy or anything but for me, 10 mg is what i take. it does seem to build up- so i think that 10 for 5 days on a couple day off is a safe way to take it . my experience with it is that works v much like micro doing mushrooms. colors become brighter, creativity better. when i sunbathe in my yard however, i DO notice that birds sort of flock to me more... i thought i was imagining it at first but the the hummingbirds starting to get verrry friendly. peace.

I have also experienced reactions with birds while under other substances. So far not with pregnenolone.

 

[Mauritio]

@Insomnia You seem to be the first person that has a similar reaction and can actually feel such low doses. I get effects from as low as 1mg topically and orally .

I think the effect is most likely not due to downstream conversion to steroids ,simply because the amount is so small . Even if there was 100% absorption the amount is too small to have an effect.

I think the preg wroks through a stabilizing effect it has on the steroidogenic enzymes and by enhancing its own production,so it helps the body produce more steroids and since we are both still relativly young, a tiny amount might be enough.

i also thought about writing peat about it, but i dont think he can relate.


what i personally notice is:

• tighter and softer skin ,especially in the face
• brighter eyes
• muscles more full
• anti-endotoxin / anti-inflammatory effect from oral dosing
• these effects fade with every day use

"Being less fat soluble than cholesterol, pregnenolone leaves the mitochondrion, so it can't inhibit its own synthesis. Rather, it seems to stimulate its own synthesis, though this isn't as clearly established as in the case of progesterone.Depending on the tissue, pregnenolone will be converted by enzymes in the cytoplasm into either progesterone or DHEA (Also called DHA, dehydroepiandrosterone). The fact that progesterone (and probably pregnenolone) stimulates its own synthesis means that taking it does not suppress the body's ability to synthesize it, as happens with cortisol Sometimes, one dose or a few doses can restore the body's ability to produce enough ofits own."
-RP