[first progess, then relapse] extremely confused now :(

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  1. lazz

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    well, like I reported it 2 days ago...I had a great week last week but today , worse day ever regarding libido and sex drive..nothing....I had a couple of cheat meal during the weekend pizza , and burger ....today I even took 1/2 Cialis and nothing.....I feel like going back to high protein , medium fats ,low carbs...at least I could get it up with Cialis or Viagra....no idea what is going on now?? my pulse was 97...this sucks.. I thought Peat diet fixed the problem ,today is back to square 1
     
  2. jaguar43

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    Re: extremely confused now :(

    You still dieting for your show, that can be a factor.
     
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    There is no quick fix, lazz. It took years to do the harm and it will take time to heal.
    It can take up to 4 years to eliminate PUFAs from the body.
    You've said that you had taken steroids for many years while training.
    It is doubtful that in less than 3 weeks you could achieve immediate results, unless you were young and very healthy to being with.
    It will take some time to determine your own optimal diet based on Peat's principles.
    Pizza and burgers will set you back. I know that from personal experience.
    It will take time to properly study and understand Ray's work - and if you want optimal results, that is an absolute must.

    This was just posted by Charlie in a recent thread. I couldn't have said it better myself.

    Another forum member, cliff, is surfer from CA and is extremely knowledgeable of Ray Peat. Here is what he said about getting on board with Ray Peat. (pun intended)

    The first thing to do is get your diet right. The rest flows from there.
     
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    lazz

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    thanks for the support...I'll hang in there....the thing , last week was incredible..and today 1/2 Viagra hit me about hr after I took it..last week there was no need for it...I had great sex every single day for 2-3 times daily.., I kid you not..when im on , im a very sexually active person....who knws maybe today it was mental tonight.....i'll stick to it and no more cheat meals....here is what I ate today and mostly of last week:



    meal 1 16 oz of organic oj

    8 oz of organic milk skim

    gelatin protein

    1 tbsp. sugar and salt





    meal 2 16 oz of oj

    6 raw eggs

    1 tbsp. of sugar





    meal3.... 12 oz of oj

    oxtail

    coffee



    meal 4....8oz of milk

    gelatin

    sugar 1 tbsp.

    salt

    12 oz of oj



    meal 5....8oz of milk

    3 raw eggs

    gelatin

    1 tbsp. sugar


    maybe I need to add 2-3 more tbsp. of coconut oil daily ..since the only fats were found in the egg yolks I ate today...oxtail was really lean though...
     
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    lazz

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    Re: extremely confused now :(

    I am but I upped my cals .carbs..im so lean I even backed off the long sessions of cardio and now doing HITT intervals such as 12 sprints on the eleptical machine and only takes me 15 mins...
     
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    Re: extremely confused now :(

    When I started Ray Peating I noticed quick results that went away but are now coming back gradually. I have seen this reported from others to.
     
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    good to know ,Charlie..im staying with it.
     
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    Your diet is not bad preparing for the show, but your probably not getting in enough of food to feel libido, my opinion is stick it out, when your off season, try to get in some of the things ray peat recommend. Fruit, juices, milk, potatoes, some meat.
     
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    lazz

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    will do ,my man....at least when Viagra hit I performed great..:)...3 times..im staying with it...2 weeks on peat's isn't enough time , my body still healing////we'll see.
     
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    I caution against viagra. That combined with intense workouts is a bad combination. Add to that PUFAs in the body and it's a recipe for metabolic disaster IMO.

    When listening to a recent radio interview with Dr. Peat, a forum member posted:

    You may want to give this article a read.

    Mitochondria and mortality

    From the article.

    In his article, Progesterone, not estrogen, is the coronary protection factor of women, he says

    In one of the Townsend Newsletters, Ray Peat wrote an article entitled Carbon Monoxide: Cancer Hormone?
     
  11. Mittir

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    Re: extremely confused now :(

    Peat does not promise anything. He does not sell any books or products. He simply states his understanding
    of nutrition using scientific sources. If it does not work that means either someone is not following
    his guideline correctly or this is not working for that individual. Adopting new dietary guidelines
    should be based on self experimentation.
    If low carb was working for me i would not be shifting to peat style eating.
    If peating does not work for me, i will move on to another diet
    Unless someone is allergic to milk or new foods, there is not any detox phase
    in peating where things get worse before it gets better.
     
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    I agree with everything else you said but he does both of these. At least he used to sell products, not sure if he is still linked with Kenogen?
     
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    You are right about that. I meant to say he does not sell dietary books like Atkins diet, South beach diet etc.
    His books are on topics of nutrition. He did sell that vitamin E Progesterone thing and he stopped .
    If i remember correctly the guy who was in charge was not using good quality products .
    Not sure if he is still selling now.
    Some where he explained why he applied for patent on this.
     
  14. j.

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    Re: extremely confused now :(

    I think it was basically as a way to publish his idea.
     
  15. 4peatssake

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    As I recall, he got the patent to prevent Big Pharma from patenting his idea.
     
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    Yes i do remember big pharma was a concern. But there was a funny story behind it too.
    I cant remember those details.
     
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    I don't recall a funny story but there could be one. ;)

    Source: The Progesterone Deceptions
     
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    @4peatssake
    Thanks your the link to this article. I find the whole article funny, the way pharma people
    fooled everyone. Here is the funniest part

     
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    lazz

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    it's not like I used Viagra all the time..lol..and when I do is 1/2 of a 25 mgs....;)...

    Mittir , ive been on Peat's for 3 weeks now...it worked great , until last night , I guess I had a dry spell..still too soon to tell and besides im recovering from years of hardcore low car diets for bodybuiding purposes -competitions...yeah , I get a bit impatience sometimes,who doesn't... im still learning about all this ...this a complete 180 to what ive been doing for most of my life
     
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    Re: extremely confused now :(

    Yeah, don't sweat it. Only one day. The true measure will be when you're not in competition mode. Also, its not unusual for someone in their 30s to have a day when sex is not gonna happen, and I don't believe that a raging libido 24/7 is necessarily the indicator of health we should be using. If you think biologically, a man in his mid to late 30s is starting the slow decline toward passing his reproductive phase or use. Not to say you're past it at all, but perhaps temper your expectations in this regard slightly, because you're not 21, and are coming from years of unhealthy choices. Be patient