Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

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I personally feel best when consuming enough milk (1-2 L of 1% milk a day), some OJ and around 2-3 L of water on top of that. Definitely much more water than that and I feel cold and urinate too frequently. I do consume a ton of salt though with all of my food, heavily salting everything I eat. I workout pretty frequently and play sports so my water intake is crucial for my performance, if I drop too much water my performance also drops.
 

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Time for an update;

I started HCG as per Joe's instruction on December 21. Ovidac 250iu EOD.
Before, I only experimented with diets, herbs, androsterone and diverse supplements but never drugs/hormones.
Within a few days, I could say that my body was reacting strongly to HCG, with changes in how the fat was distributed in my face, burst of energy out of nowhere, and a very, very noticeable effect on my hair/eyebrows.

I'll start with the hair. Some might say that this is impossible for changes in hair to manifest in a few days. I'll have to respectfully disagree. The changes occurred extremely fast and were visible in 3 days. As if it has provided my body/hair with something it didn't have access to in years.
Accutane left me with dry, lifeless, straw-like hair. The sides always grew weirdly ever since as well, never "full", growing sparsely. Three days in, hair was fuller, felt full/thick, and I could feel the hair on the side growing as it should. Eyebrows were fuller as well.
This is not the first area I would have loved to see improvement in but this was definitely a hint as to what PAS could be and my personal case.

Not long after I've noticed these changes in hair someone posted a link to this forum, back in January:

These are an extremely interesting read.
The user that goes by "ChemHead" had an interesting take: a lack of estrogen activity or a decreased aromatase activity would explain hair loss. He also found a study showing how Accutane decrease aromatisation.
He doesn't have PAS himself, nor do the people over there, but thinks that someone suffering from hair loss post Accutane is likely to have an issue with estrogen. I have found his suggestions to solve the issue quite disappointing, however.

**There is also a different type of hair loss triggered by Accutane called Telogen Effluvium. I had it too right after my course but it subsided (like for almost everyone) a few weeks/months after the treatment was stopped. The hair loss that followed my "crash" a few months after the course with draw-like hair is what I'm having right now, and seem to be related to a lack of certain steroids/hormones actions, probably partly estrogen.
Or it might be a mix of both types of hair loss. Hard to say.

Anyway, my own experience definitely resonates with his theory as HCG is known to increase estrogen by quite a lot.
What does that tell me? Nothing much, unfortunately.
I knew that there's a definite lack of steroids/hormones' action in almost all areas of my body. Increasing estrogen with HCG directly increases the quality of my hair. Then again HCG does not only increase estrogen but different steroids as well so this assumption might be wrong. Just a hint.

But not long after, I also recalled a user on hackstasis , "willylong", that apparently resolved his PAS with TRT. He didn't leave clear, concise words before leaving the forum but here are a few notes from him:

"""Libido completely recovered for months and months now. Pushing my estrogen 10x the range along with my testosterone made huge lasting changes. Have sex multiple times a day daily now. Keeping estrogen high is crucial, i lose libido when i knock my estrogen back into range."""

"""My bad guys I exaggerated not literally 10x but I keep it high (usually double the range) and inject 250mg test no ai"""

"""within 4 days of taking Test Enanthate 250mg and Superdrol 20mg everyday my libido was roaring''''




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I'm feeling really good too. I think the HCG protocol is working for me. Just finished the first 5000 IUs and the day following the previous night's injection always feels great. I do notice on the weekends where I go 2 days without an injection, I feel a lessening of the HCG's effect. I'm hoping the protocol is making permanent improvements that last and that aren't temporary.

Interesting. I think it's the opposite for me. I tend to feel the best the further away I am from my latest shot, which would be Sunday evening and Monday morning.

During the weekdays I tend to feel estrogenic after the shots. But just today, for instance, I slept poorly last night so I had a few hours nap in the afternoon. It's Sunday so my shot was over 48 hours ago, and I woke up feeling weirdly calm as I had not in a while. Everything seems 'slow', like I am more in the moment (less cortisol?), my heartbeat is less noticeable, and just a rather pleasant, almost zen mental state like I used to get from large doses of pregnenolone years back. It could also be concomitant with thyroid going up (I'm on an iodine protocol), or the fact that I drank lots of coke today... Either way, good changes and I would love if they were permanent. We'll see.
 

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This is basically it for the first month on HCG, increased energy from time to time, increased hair/eyebrow quality, racing hearts during the first dose, very very shy "backne", not even visible but I could feel it passing fingers around the top of my back. And sometimes oily skin. Which was encouraging.

Then on week 5, this happened:
Out of nowhere, my libido soared to 90%, MW were there, erection quality improved by quite a lot.
Even better, I could feel "heat" on my feet, which never occurred ever since PAS started, not even once. My muscle tones were as though I was just ouf of the gym, I had body odour, my face looked different too. I even had 2/3 pimples in the face which never occurred after Accutane. No dry eyes/mouth upon waking up. The transformation was quite profound.

Now, sorry for the pictorial description, but given how strong my libido was during that week, I had to try a few things.. And I can tell you that sperm quality was 100% back. Even as a 15 yo I don't recall having experienced that. That was quite crazy. This is a known "side effects" of HCG, but this was not the case the first few weeks on HCG.

I tried to find reasons for what could have caused these major improvements. The night before this started I drank 2 litres of coconut water, which I never do, but I know how ridiculous this would be think this might have played a role. Let's just say that for whatever reason, I had this happened to me on week 5 of HCG.


Then, It faded away. Back to square one. Every improvement subsided.
I had a lot going on in my life at the time but I can safely say that without touching anything or doing anything different, It faded away and I was not able to replicate this state.

a few weeks later I had to switch from Ovidac to Ovitrelle ( a french brand of HCG )
I started a position where I had to code and be laser-focused for a good 7 hours a day. I tried to do it "naturally" but with the constant brain fog and fatigue due to a lack of sleep, and natural flow of PAS, I started to cycle L Carnitine 5 days/week to help me focus as this is one of the most powerful nootropics I've found in my years of experimentation. I know Joe recommends not taking anything but I had to find a solution.

A month passed and I was not able to replicate the improvements I experienced on week 5. I could tell the Ovitrelle was working as it should, at least partly, as the effects on hair and eyebrow were still there.
A few weeks ago I switched from Ovitrelle to Pregnyl, and though I can tell it's working like Ovidac and Ovitrelle, I have nothing positive to report with it.

Ever since this temporary "recovery", I'm just back to square one. Completely castrated, tired, needing to rest a lot, and I'm thinking of dropping the HCG to see where I'm at. I tried to increase my dose of HCG a few days ago, 500IU, and I didn't have a good experience as it directly put me to sleep with no energy, increased the dryness in my mouth noticeably which would indicate an effect on insulin/blood sugar.


I'll finish my vial of Pregnyl in about two weeks which will bring me to 16 weeks on HCG.

I'm not really sure where to go from there which is why I thought it was time to give an update. Recommendations, feedbacks are welcomed.

I'd like to give Mifepristone a try. I had a cycle of 4 andro+androsterone (+HCG?) in mind too, or Proviron. These are my next options anyway. I'll run HCG in the future at least one more time whatever I chose to do, as it is the only thing that was able to trigger a window of recovery like it did on week 5.
Definitely an interesting experiment.
I'll order Ovidac again as it was the one I was using when the recovery occurred.

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@Vicecaz You can try cycles of HCG. For example use HCG for 4/5 weeks, stop for 1 month and start again. Do this multiple times to "shock" and restart your system.
 

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hi guys,

I feel obligated to reply to this thread since I just completed my first round of HCG. I started in early February and I just prepared my next batch for another two months. I started at 250iu and after a month, moved to 300iu. After this batch, I may look into changing the dose or altering the therapy. I've just completed a DUTCH test, thyroid/liver panel, and a few other items that will provide me with a lot of data and information to guide my plan going forward.

Full disclosure, I've been using a LOT of different supps and techniques around this time period. I was in absolutely abysmal health - I'm pretty sure my living was dying, my digestion was absolutely shot, couldn't sleep, couldn't exercise, etc. These are a few:

I utilized TUDCA, Taurine, and Urea (and soon, Uridine) to heal my liver. The former 2 have restored my digestion to normal, thank God.

I reduced toxins and stopped using any sort of consumer products (even things like soap and laundry detergent).

I took elements from Matt Blackburn's protocol using Shilajit and Dissolve-it-All, these have given me more energy & made me feel more youthful.

took more advice from MB about EMF's - He says: "you cannot have a plan for good health without taking into consideration EMF's." I agree - I unplug everything in my room nightly and adjacent rooms, phone in airplane mode, all electronics shut down; and this has made me feel 10,000x more rested and rejuvenated - & has been indispensable in my recovery.

Re-cycling in Adamantane for longer NoFap streaks. Goline's whenever I mess up.

CO2 breathing, meditation, red light, going in nature, mewing, stretching & lifting are all things I do regularly.

Within the first dose, I saw improvements that weren't evident for 1.5 years. I saw improvements mentally. I used to have these mini panic attacks if I just thought of something stressful, like my whole body would flush and my mind felt tortured. After HCG, I can avoid those reactions, guide my mind elsewhere. I do not miss them. I also had noticeable social awkwardness, poor memory, focus. None are perfect but I've experienced noticeable improvements.

Additionally, I feel that my neuro-steroids have at least partially come back online for the first time ever since Fin. I used to get hair shedding from masturbating, and extreme hair fall from masturbating w/ porn. Now I don't really get shedding from just masturbating, and only minimal shedding from masturbating with porn. For context, Danny Roddy theorizes that hair loss can involve the health of the brain. Porn is known to have deleterious effects on the brain, and esp if you don't have proper neuroprotective steroid synthesis (like in PFS) - you have a recipe for disaster regarding hair.

Physically, I have seen an improving effect on the genitals. I'd say I've recovered about halfway there. I still have issues with it and have not fully recovered. Also, I can confirm that all the bloating/swelling/fat on my face has gone away after getting on HCG. Brows thicker and more masculine, Cyphep also did this.

I also realized that I've gotten back into lifting consistently which makes me happy and boosts me, pretty sure it would not have been possible without the stabilizing effect on my mental state.

Unfortunately I do have to say - HCG exacerbated the gynecomastia issue that was induced by Finasteride. I was shocked when this happened & thought I was imagining it - but it definitely did happen and made me insecure. To counter this, I started using 2 drops of Lisuride with my HCG dose. This has definitely helped but has not resolved this issue. I suspect I have elevated prolactin, will update what my DUTCH test shows.

Going forward, I'm hoping improve my executive function & improve sexual function.

I also want to tackle prolactin, estrogen, etc - ya know, self actualize, since that's actually in the realm of possibility again.

Thank you so much @JoeKool this has been the realest and most profound treatment I've used thus far, and I've tried almost everything on IL & the RPF basics. (Side note, Taurine has been by FAR the most effective RPF suggestion I've taken.) I feel like at least a semi-normal person again. I'm adamant I will completely heal by the end of the year. This is 100% fixable and the juxtaposition between RPF and PropeciaHelp is absolutely astounding. I will pass on this knowledge, this energy, and this collective benefit that has been shared in this thread. Thank you so much, I really can't say it enough y'all.
 

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You’re definitely right about diet. I ate red meat this morning for like the first time ever and I’ve had the absolute worse day regarding my digestion and my symptoms. Big mistake, I was just trying to eat foods high in calories since I haven’t slept the past two weeks and had tremors all day I lost 10lbs so now my BMI is like 17.
thank you so much for the guide. I’m definitely going to look into all these things and try things out now and when the time comes.
Ive heard of people having trouble digesting red meat, so they stick with a little white meat while slowly adding red meat in. Red meat would be a good thing to eventually include in your diet because it is a unique source of vitamin and minerals like zinc, copper, b-12 and more.
 

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Ive heard of people having trouble digesting red meat, so they stick with a little white meat while slowly adding red meat in. Red meat would be a good thing to eventually include in your diet because it is a unique source of vitamin and minerals like zinc, copper, b-12 and more.
I found that adding a little bit of red eat to my smoothies makes it easier to digest and I didn’t experience a flare up in symptoms.
 

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I found that adding a little bit of red eat to my smoothies makes it easier to digest and I didn’t experience a flare up in symptoms.
Yes that actually makes sense. An all liquid/smoothie diet can actually be very beneficial for digestion. I still feel an acute difference after eating just one slice of sourdough bread. I get more tired and brainfogged. That may be normal, however.
 

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Update, finished my 6 months of HGC.

Started on pct, going to run that for a month. Will update after that's done.

Overall, not a super high libido like pre PFS but I can get a erection when having sex, just about all mental function has come back to me.
The rest of my life has more or less come back to normal, I'll let you guys know how I'm doing in a month.
 

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Update, finished my 6 months of HGC.

Started on pct, going to run that for a month. Will update after that's done.

Overall, not a super high libido like pre PFS but I can get a erection when having sex, just about all mental function has come back to me.
The rest of my life has more or less come back to normal, I'll let you guys know how I'm doing in a month.
Great news, happy to hear that. Did you run 250iu m/w/f? What is your pct?
 

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Yup did 250iu m/w/f give or take some weeks may have been closer to 300iu some maybe 200iu.

Regardless running clomid 25mg ed for two weeks than a week of nolvadex 50mg ed
 

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After 3 and a half weeks since the onset of my side effects I'm losing hope of getting better. I thought I was on the path to recovery after last week I saw daily improvements in all of my side effects. However, in the last 4 days, I have gotten worse again. I can say that my anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts aren't back like they were two weeks ago, but most of the other sides are back not as bad as initially though. My sleep has gotten bad again because that is when I experience my side effects the worst now. During the day I feel okay, not back to normal, but I'm able to get out of bed and do things and get stuff done unlike a few weeks ago. When it gets later in the day I get killer headaches and numbness in my forehead, my vision gets worse, and when I try to sleep I get bad anxiety and paranoia, as well as like weird vision, the newest and weirdest thing is that I'm getting nausea, especially when I'm trying to sleep and occasional stomach pains even though the digestive issue completely disappeared last week and was gone for like 5 days.

Is this up and down with symptoms normal? It's making me lose more hope that I'll get better. Also, I noticed a day or so after my side effects got worse that my throat was scratchy and a lymph node in my neck was a bit swollen and hurt. Could this be why I am getting worse or is it another new side effect?

Also, someone on Reddit recommended that I get on Pregnenolon does that sound like a good idea? He said it's a neurostimulator so maybe it'll help to take it sooner rather than later, but idk. I don't think I've noticed any drastic improvements from the supplements I've been trying out, but honestly, I have only been taking them for a week and haven't narrowed down if any have been helping.
 

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Guys, anyone be able to recover his overall skin sensivity? Anyone knows why this happens? I feel like my scalp and some other skin parts are not tingly and as sensitive as before.. I cant feel sharp and small sensations when i run my fingers around my hair and scalp. @Tyr1 Bro, do you remember if this side also heal when you temporarily healed with Clomid?

Sad thing is these sides can be so gradual that you may not even realize the loss! It happened on me!

It feels like i lost some sensivity over body and some tingly feelings... Is it the AR's again? Anyone knows and did it heal 100%?

Also, good news, i am finally started to heal with Progesterone. Theory seems right, PAS cases have downregulated AR and to fix it you should upregulate. I will update again.
 

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Guys, anyone be able to recover his overall skin sensivity? Anyone knows why this happens? I feel like my scalp and some other skin parts are not tingly and as sensitive as before.. I cant feel sharp and small sensations when i run my fingers around my hair and scalp. @Tyr1 Bro, do you remember if this side also heal when you temporarily healed with Clomid?

Sad thing is these sides can be so gradual that you may not even realize the loss! It happened on me!

It feels like i lost some sensivity over body and some tingly feelings... Is it the AR's again? Anyone knows and did it heal 100%?

Also, good news, i am finally started to heal with Progesterone. Theory seems right, PAS cases have downregulated AR and to fix it you should upregulate. I will update again.
What are your improvements with progesterone?
 
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Has anyone here who has come relatively far along with their recovery tried using potentially 'risky' things like coconut oil and zinc, things that are known to mess with 5-AR but shouldn't affect a normal person? What is your experience?

I had some coconut oil yesterday, and I feel kinda anxious and jittery today, and now I am wondering if it's the 5-AR inhibiting properties of coconut oil doing me in, since I remember feeling weird from it before. Zinc supplements still worsen my brain fog for instance, so although I feel much better, I am still sensitive to things which have these properties, even if they are mild and wouldn't affect someone who's never had PFS.

But it could also be some other things that I am doing, who knows... just wondering what everyone else's experience is, and if it is still perhaps recommended to avoid things like these.
 

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Has anyone here who has come relatively far along with their recovery tried using potentially 'risky' things like coconut oil and zinc, things that are known to mess with 5-AR but shouldn't affect a normal person? What is your experience?

I had some coconut oil yesterday, and I feel kinda anxious and jittery today, and now I am wondering if it's the 5-AR inhibiting properties of coconut oil doing me in, since I remember feeling weird from it before. Zinc supplements still worsen my brain fog for instance, so although I feel much better, I am still sensitive to things which have these properties, even if they are mild and wouldn't affect someone who's never had PFS.

But it could also be some other things that I am doing, who knows... just wondering what everyone else's experience is, and if it is still perhaps recommended to avoid things like these.

Do you have bloodwork or are you just throwing random supplements at yourself and hoping for the best?
 
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Do you have bloodwork or are you just throwing random supplements at yourself and hoping for the best?

I have bloodwork but it's a year old, and since I'm on HCG at the moment I didn't bother taking hormonal bloodwork since it doesn't reflect my true state. I plan to do it after I finish another vial of HCG so in about 2 months or so.

I am mainly attempting to figure out why the f... I am dealing with awful bloating and symptoms which point to either estrogen or endotoxin. Right now I am taking creatine and that seems to help. As did vitamin E and iodine. All things which combat estrogen to a degree, but it could also be gut-related. I read an article by Hans that focusing on gut could help improve thyroid, which I also have problems with, and he mentioned coconut oil as something that could help with balancing out bad bacteria. So yes I am partially using the 'throw ***t at the wall and see what sticks' approach since I am looking for some kind of short-term relief until I know what my hormonal situation is.
 

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I feel like giving up again, when I try to sleep and lay down for bed I literally feel like I’m about to lose my mind for no reason. I can’t sleep and my mind races, body temperature fluctuates from being hot to cold, tremors, but the mental aspect is much worse now. I can’t even explain it, but when I try to sleep I just feel like I’m about to snap and lose my mind. I het a bad headache, ringing in my ear, weird vision and perception of the world. Last week I was feeling like I was recovering and my sleep was getting better, but now I’m feel hopeless.

I’m coming up on a month now and am fearful that things will only get worse especially after talking to some people on Reddit.
 

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