Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

[Vicecaz]

@gabe Thank you, it does!

 

[Fidelio]

If anyone is interested in talking to a true expert in this field you should contact [email protected]

As you can see from the picture Olive pioneered this treatment, and it was stolen by JoeKool.

 

[Jayvee]

If anyone is interested in talking to a true expert in this field you should contact [email protected]

As you can see from the picture Olive pioneered this treatment, and it was stolen by JoeKool.

I don’t think he has “stolen” it or claimed to be the inventor. He has just pointed out that he recovered from it and has helped me and many others make the leap actually giving it a go.

 

[MyUsernameHere]

If anyone is interested in talking to a true expert in this field you should contact [email protected]

As you can see from the picture Olive pioneered this treatment, and it was stolen by JoeKool.

I mean, with definitive blanket statements like "HCG fixes 'PFS'" (with putting the condition's name in demeaning quotes as if to imply it doesn't even exist) how could you not instantly believe everything he has to say? Never mind facts, never mind the fact that plenty of people tried HCG on their own and got nowhere, what's important is that you SOUND like you know what you're talking about. It's even more important that you are the first person online to come up with something, regardless of the fact that you've neither patented nor proved it - it instantly adds to your e-peen points and e-peen is everything.

"Fina issues have nothing to do with DHT - it's the neurosteroid cascade"
CUTTING EDGE knowledge right there. Never mind the fact that the very same enzyme is involved in the production of both, so if you have lacking neurosteroids in CNS (proven) you have, by definition, low DHT in the CNS as well, and increased precursors such as testosterone (proven).
(Neuroactive steroid levels and psychiatric and andrological features in post-finasteride patients - PubMed)

The world could do with fewer "experts", to be honest.

 

[Mister]

If anyone is interested in talking to a true expert in this field you should contact [email protected]

As you can see from the picture Olive pioneered this treatment, and it was stolen by JoeKool.

Did Helen send you to lie about JoeKool again?

Lol that picture doesn't prove anything and nobody "pioneered" HCG you idiot, it was used by many endos who wanted to treat people with PFS already.

But JoeKool did popularize it by posting his recovery story and helping everyone.

What a miserable fck do you need to be to try and slander a guy that wants to help and share his experience. Now go back to the hackstasis sh*thole

 

[Fidelio]

I mean, with definitive blanket statements like "HCG fixes 'PFS'" (with putting the condition's name in demeaning quotes as if to imply it doesn't even exist) how could you not instantly believe everything he has to say? Never mind facts, never mind the fact that plenty of people tried HCG on their own and got nowhere, what's important is that you SOUND like you know what you're talking about. It's even more important that you are the first person online to come up with something, regardless of the fact that you've neither patented nor proved it - it instantly adds to your e-peen points and e-peen is everything.

"Fina issues have nothing to do with DHT - it's the neurosteroid cascade"
CUTTING EDGE knowledge right there. Never mind the fact that the very same enzyme is involved in the production of both, so if you have lacking neurosteroids in CNS (proven) you have, by definition, low DHT in the CNS as well, and increased precursors such as testosterone (proven).
(Neuroactive steroid levels and psychiatric and andrological features in post-finasteride patients - PubMed)

The world could do with fewer "experts", to be honest.

You realise Olive’s protocols are more than just HCG right? I don’t know why he air quoted “PFS” but I can assure you the guy takes the issue very seriously.

 

[stopfin]

You realise dr. Olive’s protocols are more than just HCG right? I don’t know why he air quoted “PFS” but I can assure you the guy takes the issue very seriously.

what else beside hCG is in his protocol? to be honest hCG alone worsened my nerve and muscle pain in arms and legs

 

[Jayvee]

You realise dr. Olive’s protocols are more than just HCG right? I don’t know why he air quoted “PFS” but I can assure you the guy takes the issue very seriously.

What else does he offer? I’m intrigued. I think there are lots of medical professionals offering some variant on the HCG protocol. I think HCG mono therapy can work but others may have underlying issues that need to be attended to alongside the protocol. I don’t think that can really be disputed, although I still think, done right (Right dose, right timings etc), it could potentially still fix the majority of issues.

 

[MyUsernameHere]

what else beside hCG is in his protocol? to be honest hCG alone worsened my nerve and muscle pain in arms and legs

I am noticing this lately as well - the next day after my injection I have increased tingling in my legs and it's not going away. I think I am going to take a break after finishing this vial until I resolve this issue.

 

[MyUsernameHere]

You realise dr. Olive’s protocols are more than just HCG right? I don’t know why he air quoted “PFS” but I can assure you the guy takes the issue very seriously.

I don't realize, because I don't know anything about him other than what I see him state in that screenshot, which is that "HCG fixes PFS" - a blanket statement which doesn't necessarily hold true for a lot of people.

 

[Fidelio]

what else beside hCG is in his protocol? to be honest hCG alone worsened my nerve and muscle pain in arms and legs

HCG is only used briefly alongside anavar and a few other compounds. He has access to pharmaceuticals through his telemedicine clinic.

 

[John W]

HCG is only used briefly alongside anavar and a few other compounds. He has access to pharmaceuticals through his telemedicine clinic.

I’d be interested to hear this protocol. I’ve used Anavar in the past and HCG this time. Both gathered some improvements but neither did the cure. I’m sure with you posting his email he’s swamped though.

 

[Vicecaz]

That guy Olive also said that the "cure" for PAS is as simple as Carnitine injection.

Someone apparently quoted him; "He says accutane lowers androgen receptor expression, cure is l-carnitine injections. 10mg/kg body weight after carb rich meal."

I took 2grams of Carnitine/day in the past and though the cognitive benefits were noticeable, that's about it. Granted it was oral administration and not injection. Dosage and timing might be factors too but If his reasoning is only that accutane decreases AR and that Carnitine increases AR, hence is the cure, well I'd be curious to hear more from him

 

[John W]

That guy Olive also said that the "cure" for PAS is as simple as Carnitine injection.

Someone apparently quoted him; "He says accutane lowers androgen receptor expression, cure is l-carnitine injections. 10mg/kg body weight after carb rich meal."

I took 2grams of Carnitine/day in the past and though the cognitive benefits were noticeable, that's about it. Granted it was oral administration and not injection. Dosage and timing might be factors too but If his reasoning is only that accutane decreases AR and that Carnitine increases AR, hence is the cure, well I'd be curious to hear more from him

I have read a lot of his posts on this forum, and they’re pretty interesting. The lad knows a lot of ***t, but I think he stated he was only 21 or 22 years old on here once. I’m not judging on age = knowledge, I’m just astounded he knows so much at that age. All I did then was fancy a pint and chase tail then.

 

[keytothecity]

From looksmax:

Finasteride causes autoimmune diseases in Th1 dominant people (only high IQ) | Looksmax.me - Men's Self-Improvement & Aesthetics

Pay attention. It's way too complex to explain the details here but basically the side effects from finasteride are experienced by men who are Th1 dominant. Th2 men don't experience side effects because they have a different kind of immune system response (humoral based instead of cells...

looksmax.me

Pay attention. It's way too complex to explain the details here but basically the side effects from finasteride are experienced by men who are Th1 dominant. Th2 men don't experience side effects because they have a different kind of immune system response (humoral based instead of cells mediated).
Hormones are huge modulator of the immune system. You probably already know this since you may have heard about prednisone which is synthetic cortisol and used to suppress the immune system (and is especially effective to dampen the th1 mediated autoimmune diseases and ineffective in many immune mediated th2 diseases such as chronic fatigue syndrome for example because overall it shift the immune system toward a th2 dominant state inhibiting the production of interleukin 12 and from there interferon gamma ecc). Now, here comes the complex part, the changes in hormones that finasteride causes (more estradiol, less DHT, more free testosterone but is then aromatase in 17 beta estradiol) shift the immune system toward a th1 state. This is a terrible thing for people who are already th1 dominant because they are already at increased risks of autoimmune diseases/chronic inflammation and the further increase caused by finasteride (which shift hormones so a very potent immune system modulator) can put them at serious risks of developing autoimmune diseases (what many calls PFS is just autoimmune disease). For example brain fog and cognitive dysfunctions after finasteride are just a symptoms of brain chronic inflammation, the overexpressed th1 cytokines and lymphocytes (such as CD4+T) infiltrate the brain causing inflammation and loss of processing speed, and all the other brain fog symptoms. But of course all kind of chronic inflammation and autoimmune disease can develop from hashimoto, to rheumatoid arthritis ecc. Research shows that DHT is immunosupressive (ie reduce Th1), so if you lower it you raise th1 and inflammation.
Ever wondered why finasteride is given to people who are risk for prostrate cancer? that's because it shifts the immune system toward th1 and if you're th1 you are less prone to cancer risk because your immune system is more apt to attack cancer cells and reduce angiogenesis.

Now, females are usually more th1 dominant and men are usually more th2 dominant (of course it's not always like this). It's not a coincidence that females experience much higher rates of autoimmune diseases....their th1 dominance cause that. Keep in mind that there can absolutely be men who are th1 dominant, actually many are (me included).
According to this androgen hormones reduces the risk of autoimmune diseases, whereas increasing estrogen hormones increase it (guess what finasteride does).


Now why some people experience sexual side effects? First of all, increasing estrogen and reducing androgen can cause that. Nitric oxide production is also involved (finasteride modulate nitric oxide and if you don't know endothelial nitric oxide is the compound that viagra increases to get hard erections).

Of course it's much more complicated than that, had to dumb it down here...many things also regulate th1 and th2 dominance. Basically men who experience side effects are th1 dominant and in that case the dose doesn't matter. Taking half a pill won't change a thing. Keep taking it without offsetting your cytokine expression of your immune system and you will develop chronic inflammation and then autoimmune diseases (who are almost often misdiagnosed because they are hard to diagnose except in some cases).
On the other hand people who are th2 dominant can take finasteride (or dut) without problems because in their case the shift toward th1 can even be beneficial for them (gotta pay attention to sexual side effects though because the nitric oxide is also reduced if they have a NOS3 SNP). And they gotta make sure the estrogen doesn't raise too much and the androgen don't fall too much....each of us has a different threshold but usually if your symptoms are only sexual (ie erections) taking l-arginine at high enough doses will fix that. That being said many foods eaten today (such as gluten) already shift the immune system toward th1 so if you live a dysfunctional lifestyle with shitty diet, smoke, drugs ecc you can be at risk even if you are th2 dominant.

Now, how do you know if you are th1 or th2 dominant?
I'll dumb it down again.
Do you rarely suffer from common cold and virus? You probably are th1 dominant.
Do you get cold or virus almost every year? suffer from ashma or allergies? You probably are th2 dominant.

 

[ort123]

From looksmax:

Finasteride causes autoimmune diseases in Th1 dominant people (only high IQ) | Looksmax.me - Men's Self-Improvement & Aesthetics

Pay attention. It's way too complex to explain the details here but basically the side effects from finasteride are experienced by men who are Th1 dominant. Th2 men don't experience side effects because they have a different kind of immune system response (humoral based instead of cells...

looksmax.me

Pay attention. It's way too complex to explain the details here but basically the side effects from finasteride are experienced by men who are Th1 dominant. Th2 men don't experience side effects because they have a different kind of immune system response (humoral based instead of cells mediated).


Now, how do you know if you are th1 or th2 dominant?
I'll dumb it down again.
Do you rarely suffer from common cold and virus? You probably are th1 dominant.
Do you get cold or virus almost every year? suffer from ashma or allergies? You probably are th2 dominant.

This sounds utterly unfounded. Do you have any evidence at all to back up this claim?

 

[keytothecity]

This sounds utterly unfounded. Do you have any evidence at all to back up this claim?

No, I didn’t write it either or know much about pfs. Just shared because 2 guys in the thread claim results from similar drugs + My case fits the description

 

[ort123]

No, I didn’t write it either or know much about pfs. Just shared because 2 guys in the thread claim results from similar drugs + My case fits the description

You're best off avoiding making unfounded claims of etiological understanding of a disorder which seems to be surprisingly complicated. It's misleading.

 

[keytothecity]

You're best off avoiding making unfounded claims of etiological understanding of a disorder which seems to be surprisingly complicated. It's misleading.

Claims xD
It’s called sharing a source. You trashed the source, so I guess it’s garbage. Ok, move on and don’t let your estrogen dominance dictate your response style

 

[ort123]

Claims xD
It’s called sharing a source. You trashed the source, so I guess it’s garbage. Ok, move on and don’t let your estrogen dominance dictate your response style

I for one, as well as many others I know with PFS actually have very LOW levels of E. You must understand that a word salad and self-referential argument doesn't make your attempt at explaining PFS convincing in the slightest.