Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

[outcast1979]

Great question bro

Some folks said,that tribulus increase fsh and lh in a way and made and them feel a change,imagine hcg is much more stronger in doing this job.The way it works i think,it activates hpta to produce fsh and lh more,then you have your testes produce more testosterone,the good thing is hcg have no negative feedback loop on hpta,hpta remain in a state that produce those hormones even after stopping the cycle

 

[Fairplay]

@Sospian As far the study you posted about HCG and increased DHT while on bromo.

Bromo destroys androgen receptor, this is why DHT levels rise. FYI. Repositioning Dopamine D2 Receptor Agonist Bromocriptine to Enhance Docetaxel Chemotherapy and Treat Bone Metastatic Prostate Cancer

As I wrote above, DHT via AR kills VDR transcription. Prolactin converts vit D into active vit D( this retains calcium)

AR and VDR cross talk. So AR kills VDR signal. So if you destroy your AR with bromo, then obviously your VDR signal is MORE.

so now you need less vit D, and thus prolactin falls. And DHT which acts on AR rises.

 

[Fairplay]

I'm a new member here with PFS. I'm going to try HCG 250iu Mon, Wed and Fri for 6 months.

I finished about 7 weeks ago a Proviron 200mg every day for 30 days and if it did change anything, I haven't noticed.

According to your theory should do the HCG protocol now or go back on Proviron again before starting HCG?

No, you are perfect to start HCG. You can even do 100iu daily if you want. If proviron took care of the AR. you will feel better on HCG from injection 1.

Proviron's half life is 13 hours , so it takes a while for it to leave the body. Especially in PFS since in PFS all the detox systems are not that great.

I guess you ran proviron as per PAL on propecia help. People dont get that Pal first ran hcg and clomids right before his proviron cycle, So he downregulated ERa a lot first. That is why proviron cycle worked for him without the PCT afterwards since Era density was not that high and he was able to recover naturally.

As an example TRT upregulates Era a lot. So when you come of you can recover naturally if your ERa density is not that much and if you have good aromatase.

but if you had bad aromatase or used AI while on TRT, it would be much harder to recover naturally.

 

[Mister]

No, you are perfect to start HCG. You can even do 100iu daily if you want. If proviron took care of the AR. you will feel better on HCG from injection 1.

Proviron's half life is 13 hours , so it takes a while for it to leave the body. Especially in PFS since in PFS all the detox systems are not that great.

I guess you ran proviron as per PAL on propecia help. People dont get that Pal first ran hcg and clomids right before his proviron cycle, So he downregulated ERa a lot first. That is why proviron cycle worked for him without the PCT afterwards since Era density was not that high and he was able to recover naturally.

As an example TRT upregulates Era a lot. So when you come of you can recover naturally if your ERa density is not that much and if you have good aromatase.

but if you had bad aromatase or used AI while on TRT, it would be much harder to recover naturally.

It's true PAL used HCG and clomid before proviron but we do not know how much time was in between though. Could be a couple of years ago.

 

[TheBeard]

@Sospian DHT is Proviron, did you feel good on proviron LOL , of course not.

PFS is low cortisol release, which then BINDS your testosterone, and you become estrogen dominant. so as s0on as you downregulate AR where DHT is.

your AR is not blocking VDR and your NORADRENALINE works. since noradrenaline needs calcium to work thru A1 receptor.

the minute noradrenaline works, you have confidence, and everything else, and also your noradrenaline is allowed to convert into adrenaline.

which then increases cortisol. The minute cortisol is released , your testosterone and DHT get free( lower SHBG) and you get masculinity back

Cortisol binds testosterone? Ok dude...

 

[Fairplay]

Cortisol binds testosterone? Ok dude...

low cortisol release causes high SHBG, dude..

 

[TheBeard]

low cortisol release causes high SHBG, dude..

That's what you meant?
Your hormonal explanations are gibberish, the syntax is off, the science behind them is bro-science at best, and you are really doing a disservice to this forum.

Stick to giving personal feedbacks on what worked for you so people can experiment, don't try to justify it with blurry "scientific" explanations. Leave that to @haidut and other experts.

 

[Fairplay]

That's what you meant?
Your hormonal explanations are gibberish, the syntax is off, the science behind them is bro-science at best, and you are really doing a disservice to this forum.

Stick to giving personal feedbacks on what worked for you so people can experiment, don't try to justify it with blurry "scientific" explanations. Leave that to @haidut and other experts.

You are not able to comprehend even 1% of what I write , obviously, based on your comment, So in no way you can give any definition or evaluation of my as you said gibberish.
Hilarious.

 

[TheBeard]

You are not able to comprehend even 1% of what I write

Exactly. Your syntax and spelling have a lot to do with this.

 

[Fairplay]

Exactly. Your syntax and spelling have a lot to do with this.

Really? care to give an example? Hilarious.

 

[Unknownuser]

Damn man, you sure as hell did your research. Modafinil used to amplify my autistic spectrum symptoms by 10-fold. Couldn't even look someone in the eye.

I dont say histamine intolerance is pfs. I just say it plays a role. When I eat histamine rich foods, my symptoms flare up. I cant get any sleep. Brain fog increases. I get depressive. And anxiety skyrockets. Even when a dog barks far away, I flinch. Same goes for when I do a workout or get a deep massage, wich both activate mast cells.

@Fairplay I also took one 25mg tablet of Proviron 3 weeks before hcg to test my reaction to Proviron. Did not felt anything from it. But I guess that one tablet was not enough for your theory.

 

[PhilParma]

Stay the course with Hair Test and CD Nuts. You guys just weren't doing it right. Read more carefully.

 

[sladerunner69]

Fin messes up the hormones. Wich, I believe, leads to histamine intolerance and mcas, wich leads to inflammation and Neurotransmitter mess. Histamine intolerance is usually a womens problem because of high estrogen.

I believe most pfs sufferers have histamine intolerance but are not aware of. Mine started directly with fin. My body started to itch and scratch everywhere and ever since does. The real food intolerance came years after stopping fin.

Found this interesting Histamine effects on neurotransmitters (serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine) - Mast Attack

Where can I read more about histamine intolerance?

Any updates, @sladerunner69 ??

I'd say still deeing slow and gradual improvement. My head still feels numb and discombobulated, but not as bad as it was earlier this year...

Also if I abstain from ejaculating for a few days I get pretty horny.

 

[JoeKool]

@sladerunner69 ohhh man I'm so psyched for you!

Perfect time to post as this thread got a dump of, well... Gibberish.

Hope everyone is doing well and pays attention

 

[Fairplay]

@sladerunner69 ohhh man I'm so psyched for you!

Perfect time to post as this thread got a dump of, well... Gibberish.

Hope everyone is doing well and pays attention

Oh yes, Koolaid drinker. we do pay attention.


This is the quote from Slader, August 15

"I'm hanging in there. I just finished a cycle of androsterone and super 4-andro. I also am on HCG shots as outlined by Joe Koolaid above and have noticed some positive changes, notably energy, emotions, and a bit more zest for life. I don't think it has increased my estrogen much at all. Coming off the androsterone I feel less confident and energetic but overall significantly more stable than I did a year ago.

My main issue is that I still have bad brain fog, like a deep numbness that runs from my forehead down the middle of my body to my genitals. Clearly CNS dysfunction from the lack in 5-ar reduced neurosteroids. I think it has been improving though, I am no longer barely hanging on as I once was, and can accomplish a fair amount of work during the day and have seemingly normal social interactions."


Slader , August 31

Yes, I think I am slowly but surely improving. It has been 6 weeks for me now and I certainly feel things have moved in a positive direction. I have noticeably more emotions and more energy. I can concentrate a bit easier and what is perhaps most noticeable is that my orgasms feel much more normal again, especially after a day or two of abstinence they can feel very satisfying.

However, I still have bad brainfog and significant numbness in my mind and body. I do feel this is improving slowly and have high hopes for positive changes in the coming months as I continue my 250iu M/W/F regimine. I am not taking much else aside from glycine, taurine, and vitamins.

Oh and my reaction to alcohol has become more normal. I splurged and had severak beers on friday (I try to almost never drink, but since I was in a pretty good mood I decided to go for it), and I didn't suffer with a nasty hangover and weakness like I had become used to. My hangovers used to be just unbearable even after only a few drinks. I am very pleased that this has improved!




Hmmm , seems like nothing is changing. "Koolaid" is right. Typical Joekool, denial denial denial.

Slader had already libido and erections ,but was suffering from brain fog. and this numbness of the brain .

It has been 10 weeks. Still the same numbness of the brain. Also notice that he took r andro before all of this( which is similar to proviron) but is a gaba agonist also.


So I assume he has GABA /estrogen imbalance. @sladerunner69

 

[Fairplay]

@sladerunner69 Estrogen increases sympathetic nervous system via ERa. GABA opposes this.

What is your prolactin levels? did you measure? and what is your estrogen levels. You seem to have an imbalance of estro and gaba.

 

[Fairplay]

@JoeKool @CureOrCause @Unknownuser @newyorker

Here are the updates quotes of a person on Proviron / HCG for only one week. improvements from day 1.

day 1.

"This stuff works well. Libido is pretty much normal on this. Went from no libido to good libido within 10 hours. Today woke up with morning wood which was gone for a while after doing Proviron. Can't be fully placebo. Flaccid also bigger and with color (red) from time to time.

Mental sides also much better like the mild depression on it is gone. Sociability up. Focus at work up. So I must of indeed lacked LH/hormones like Helen theorized. Or there is a unique propery in HCG that gives this. Strength in the gym is also normal (much higher than in PFS) on this.

Still have some brainfog but it does not bother me as much as it did. Motivation to chase goals also higher. Probably have to run it for a while to get all the benefits. Again this could be a placebo. But I cannot imagine that."

Day 2.

"Started eating chicken leg soup for the glycine. Also drinking two/three cups of coffee.

Coffee seems to make it better too, the effect of the hCG. I dont get the anxiety anymore after the second cup which is interesting. In the first 2-3 days of hCG had anxiety when I would drink the second cup. Now not the case. Will see if it is just coincidence or it is a change. Yesterday got a high/content feeling after coffee like it used to.

Also notice I feel better when I eat red meat and butter on hCG. Sometimes get insane libido and confidence with that combo. Like a teenager libido.

Is there more I can do to potentiate this 2-3 week run? Eating more glycine now. Taking coffee. Eating red meat, vegetables (brocolli, spinach), rice, fruits, Anything else?"


Day3.


"Physically do well on this. I can run then workout, run more, etc. No energy problems. Today ran quite a bit and lifted weights. Pretty nice. Plus attraction and interaction with women is good. The subconscious attraction. Confidence is good too, nothing crazy but it is the basic confidence people have of believing in yourself.

Physically my muscles are how they are supposed to be. Pumped up and veins. Especially when I eat carbs before the workout (I dont always do this).

So the problems on this are the sleep issues plus I think still lack of GABA(A?). Definitely feel stressed physically, not mentally. Mental stress is fine.

Coffee helped this on some days. I got the GABA feeling if I did not overdo the coffee. Same for the chicken broth yesterday it lowered a lot of the symptoms for 2 hours after eating the chicken leg soup.

So the plan is to run it for 1 more week. Eat chicken leg soup, meat, vegetables, some carbs, etc. I now will quit the coffee for the next week. Then re-evaluate."



Day 4

Vision seems better today all of a sudden. Not 100% yet but noticeable difference. Feel good again today! I got that "WOOOOOOOO!!!!" feeling. Not sure what it is. But the coffee was definitely affecting it negatively. I ate spinach today as well. Maybe the extra magnesium.


Day 5

Woke up last night at 1am with rock hard full erection but had a vivid sex dream and wet dream one hour later. Which lowers the energy I got a bit. Then went back to bed, woke up with more rock hard erections all full size. Like you are on viagra. Had insomnia again though. Slept 4 hours. Went for a 30 min. run in the morning and lifted weights.

Social anxiety is much lower in general. Almost back to normal. Motivation to do ***t in life is also bigger. Vision issue also much better. But not 100% yet.


Day 6

I can try quitting the HCG. See what happens. Or should I finish to 2 weeks? Libido is pretty good. Get a lot of boners today. Not sure if that is normal. I do work with a lot of women but it is like you get an erection with every woman you talk to.

Also I notice before the shot at night I felt pretty good yesterday. While the days before I felt worse right before the next HCG shot. Maybe the ERa has downregulated enough.

I think I will do 2 weeks so until next wednesday.


day 7

I feel like such a wimp wtf. High amounts of emotions. Maybe it is the HCG. I was emotional before PFS though. But this is insane. I was used to being calculative, logical thought. Not this. Or I am just not used to any emotions. I lived w/o emotions for 5-6 years (while on fin too). But a male should be logical right. I don't think this is normal.

I ate quite a bit of spinach, meat, today. Maybe that causes it. I dont know. Or it is the HCG. My libido is also insanely high. Not necessarily fantasizing too much but more like I talk to a girl and get a boner. I don't have gyno or anything like that. No acne, etc. Not any indicators of high estrogen. Feel slightly depressed too.

Don't want to spam the thread but maybe someone has some advice. How much emotion is What is a normal male function ?

Alright guys that will be my spam attack for today.


day 8

It seems a gradual process by getting better on the HCG. Wake up with morning wood now which lasts longer (it would go away quick before).

Personality was already better but I notice people want to talk to me again. Like my friends they hit me up out of no where.

Erection quality is back to normal.

Vision also getting better. Brainfog also better. I can function like a normal person but still notice some in this department.

I slept good last night without glycine/magnesium. I will see if this also sticks. Overemotionality also went down a bit thankfully.




ETC ETC ETC


He will try to come off within a week and see if LH goes back up.

 

[Fairplay]

And here are the updates of people who ran HCG solo


Person number 1.

"Wondering if I should keep on the hcg path. In week #13 nothing has really changed besides some better sensitivity. Breaking out like pre tane so maybe that's something good. I don't feel anything with coffee on hcg, still drink it every day though. Haven't been working out but my muscles look good, but i feel weak/sore/tight as f***."


Person number 2

post 1. Still on hCG, and nothing positive to report. My libido even decreased and my **** sensation is worse.

I still have very dry itchy skin and my belly looks bloated. Still sunken cheecks. Kinda weird because most hCG users report elevated estrogen while I experience low estrogen sides, also dry eyes. Still lethargic and unmotivated.

Maybe my hCG is underdosed, although the the labtest of the brand I am using showed 7500iu instead of 5000iu as labaled. I tried to up my dose once but seems like the dry skin increased even more. Not sure what to do yet.


Post 2. Decided to quit hCG due to not being able to function anymore, zero motivation with anything. No joy from movies, series, music, hobby or anything. I know it was only 10 weeks, instead of 6 months, but couln't tolerate it anymore. I hope I didn't mess myself up even more. Will report in a couple of weeks.


Post3. So I am off everything now for a while and here is how I feel;

- Sleep improved, I don't wake up a lot and fall a sleep pretty easy
- Erections during the night, wet dreams once in a while.
- No libido during the day, and still no motivation. Somewhat lethargic and no drive to go to the gym. Tight balls and small **** during the day.
- Still cold hands and feet until I eat a big meal.
- Hair loss/scalp itch increased noticeably, which is weird because I feel less androgenic.
- There are moments where I can socialize more easy, not robotic all the time anymore.

Still deciding on next move, will involve proviron probably.






Also if you look at guys in this thread:


1)Newyorker , 5 weeks in .

"I’m seeing increased hair on my i upper thighs and upper chest, where I had very very little before. I know it’s more on my chest, because I now feel it itching. I’m also sensing better, firmer muscle tone on my calves and upper arms.

I’ve also noticed longer and maybe slightly thicker eyebrows. They were extremely thin before.

Testicles are definitely hanging looser much more often, but occasionally returns to that tight sack. Semen is still as watery as usual and there is still no “pleasure”. The only “desire” I sense is the wishful thinking in my mind. I did have 2 random semi erections in the last month. That never happened before.

I’m hopeful to have the same results as JoeKool did, and that’s given me hope and improved my mood a bit. I realize I’m less than 20% into this, but after much more than a decade with PFS, I’m hopeful for at least some relief.

I’m interested in hearing what others are experiencing.

 

[Fairplay]

Sospian from this thread. Also proviron run, now very little time on HCG, RECOVERED.

 

[Fairplay]

@JoeKool

Hey, Joe. Do me a favor, come off vit D for a month and report back, please. But please Don't lie. It is very important.