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Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

Gustav3Y

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Yeah seems to be absent from his bloodwork indeed. But I assume that's (a lot) higher too since his test levels are crazy high...
Alright, because I kept going through the video I didn't see it.
I am surprised Derek's company (which he make a reference to in the video) that does the blood work omits DHT from their test package.
 

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My single Pfizer shot hasn't caused me any issues (that I'm aware of anyway). Why do you ask?
Okay thx, I was just wondering. Who knows maybe it even could give possible benefits, I don't know. Anyway good to hear it doesn't make PFS worse.
Alright, because I kept going through the video I didn't see it.
I am surprised Derek's company (which he make a reference to in the video) that does the blood work omits DHT from their test package.
Yeah that's weird, I do know checking DHT is expensive but yeah weird. Maybe should ask the guy from youtube video.
 

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Yeah that's weird, I do know checking DHT is expensive but yeah weird. Maybe should ask the guy from youtube video.
Considering it is a male thing I find it strange they took it out.
Seems deliberate, after all talking for years about DHT then not include it, is in no way a coincidence.
 

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Considering it is a male thing I find it strange they took it out.
Seems deliberate, after all talking for years about DHT then not include it, is in no way a coincidence.
Indeed, really weird.

Btw he answered some questions, someone asked about his libido, his answer:

"Before HCG, pretty much 1 or 2, now that I'm off the clomid again I'm at like a 4 or 5, 6 or 7 when I wake up, definitely having sexual desire that I haven't felt in years."
 

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I had an appointment with a urologist today who was supposedly familiar with PFS. Unfortunately he did not know very much about it but somewhat understood what the symptoms were. He said that I could try low dose testosterone but I didn't want to so I asked him about HCG. He then told me I could try some low dose HCG and he prescribed me 500 UI twice a week and said that we would check in after 4-6 weeks. I just wanted to see if anybody had any advice for me? Do you think that I should take the 500 UI twice a week or if I should take 250 UI twice a week like JoeKool. Also do I need to take an AI like clomid or nolvadex alongside the HCG?

In the beginning of the thread people were saying that there was some success with downregulating AR before starting HCG by taking r-andro/proviron. I am not able to get proviron here in the US and r-andro contains DHEA which is already very highly elevated for me so I didn't want to risk trying that. Instead I have been using Cistanche Extract for about 2 weeks. I doubt that it's as strong as proviron but I was hoping it may have done some slight downregulation. Anyways I will be stopping that now to prepare for HCG.

I'm new to all this and never heard of this stuff before so I would appreciate some help or advice.

Thank you
 

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I had an appointment with a urologist today who was supposedly familiar with PFS. Unfortunately he did not know very much about it but somewhat understood what the symptoms were. He said that I could try low dose testosterone but I didn't want to so I asked him about HCG. He then told me I could try some low dose HCG and he prescribed me 500 UI twice a week and said that we would check in after 4-6 weeks. I just wanted to see if anybody had any advice for me? Do you think that I should take the 500 UI twice a week or if I should take 250 UI twice a week like JoeKool. Also do I need to take an AI like clomid or nolvadex alongside the HCG?

In the beginning of the thread people were saying that there was some success with downregulating AR before starting HCG by taking r-andro/proviron. I am not able to get proviron here in the US and r-andro contains DHEA which is already very highly elevated for me so I didn't want to risk trying that. Instead I have been using Cistanche Extract for about 2 weeks. I doubt that it's as strong as proviron but I was hoping it may have done some slight downregulation. Anyways I will be stopping that now to prepare for HCG.

I'm new to all this and never heard of this stuff before so I would appreciate some help or advice.

Thank you
No you don't need an AI if your E2 is below 35 pg/ml
Do the JoeKool protocol i would say, its more balanced.

Use a strong steroid if HCG fails to downregulate your ARs. Use it along with your HCG protocol. Something like Sustanon/ Trestolone. Use Progesterone 25mg if you have high anxiety, stress and sleep problems.
 

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No you don't need an AI if your E2 is below 35 pg/ml
Do the JoeKool protocol i would say, its more balanced.

Use a strong steroid if HCG fails to downregulate your ARs. Use it along with your HCG protocol. Something like Sustanon/ Trestolone. Use Progesterone 25mg if you have high anxiety, stress and sleep problems.
So there is a chance that HCG would be enough to downregulate ARs ? Also would I take the Sustanon/Trestolone at the same time as the HCG? I would prefer not to use testosterone because I'm afraid of suppression and fertility effects.

Thanks
 

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So there is a chance that HCG would be enough to downregulate ARs ? Also would I take the Sustanon/Trestolone at the same time as the HCG? I would prefer not to use testosterone because I'm afraid of suppression and fertility effects.

Thanks
HCG mostly used to bring back your neurosteroid production to normal in PFS. Fin destroys it. And to bring back your testicles to normal size if yours affected in a manner that is fixable that way. (There is more than one reason for testicular shrinkage.)

About ARs, it depends on you. Most of the time it is not enough.

Nah, you will not get supression if you use Test with HCG, so yes you have to use together. And follow up a PCT with Clomid or Enclomiphene after that.

I am currently on my own PCT protocol and quitted Testosterone+ HCG. No benefits have seen as im a Post Accutane case. I was trying to test a theory that PAS is Upregulated AR.

So basically, just to test a theory i did 7 weeks of Testosterone+ HCG+ Arimidex+ Pharma grade HGH. LOL.

You start to grow some balls (Even though they are small in reality) after 7 years of suffering. :ss:hairpull

HCG eod 250iu+ Sustanon\ Trestolone (Ask bodybuilding forums for dosage.) with 0.25mg of AI (Not necessary, get some bloodwork on protocol.) should fix your PFS completely.

I know a guy who fixed his pfs with Trest. within few days after injection. Seems like the best AR downregulator.
 

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HCG mostly used to bring back your neurosteroid production to normal in PFS. Fin destroys it. And to bring back your testicles to normal size if yours affected in a manner that is fixable that way. (There is more than one reason for testicular shrinkage.)

About ARs, it depends on you. Most of the time it is not enough.

Nah, you will not get supression if you use Test with HCG, so yes you have to use together. And follow up a PCT with Clomid or Enclomiphene after that.

I am currently on my own PCT protocol and quitted Testosterone+ HCG. No benefits have seen as im a Post Accutane case. I was trying to test a theory that PAS is Upregulated AR.

So basically, just to test a theory i did 7 weeks of Testosterone+ HCG+ Arimidex+ Pharma grade HGH. LOL.

You start to grow some balls (Even though they are small in reality) after 7 years of suffering. :ss:hairpull

HCG eod 250iu+ Sustanon\ Trestolone (Ask bodybuilding forums for dosage.) with 0.25mg of AI (Not necessary, get some bloodwork on protocol.) should fix your PFS completely.

I know a guy who fixed his pfs with Trest. within few days after injection. Seems like the best AR downregulator.
Ok I’ll start with the HCG first and see if it helps with anything and then go from there. Thank you for your help.
 

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HCG mostly used to bring back your neurosteroid production to normal in PFS. Fin destroys it. And to bring back your testicles to normal size if yours affected in a manner that is fixable that way. (There is more than one reason for testicular shrinkage.)

About ARs, it depends on you. Most of the time it is not enough.

Nah, you will not get supression if you use Test with HCG, so yes you have to use together. And follow up a PCT with Clomid or Enclomiphene after that.

I am currently on my own PCT protocol and quitted Testosterone+ HCG. No benefits have seen as im a Post Accutane case. I was trying to test a theory that PAS is Upregulated AR.

So basically, just to test a theory i did 7 weeks of Testosterone+ HCG+ Arimidex+ Pharma grade HGH. LOL.

You start to grow some balls (Even though they are small in reality) after 7 years of suffering. :ss:hairpull

HCG eod 250iu+ Sustanon\ Trestolone (Ask bodybuilding forums for dosage.) with 0.25mg of AI (Not necessary, get some bloodwork on protocol.) should fix your PFS completely.

I know a guy who fixed his pfs with Trest. within few days after injection. Seems like the best AR downregulator.
Yeah trestolone (MENT) is extremely interesting for PFS.

But I'd advise first trying proviron before going to trestolone since it's one of the most hardcore steroids imo.

Btw new recovery; View: https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/qvc1ez/recovered_from_dark_finasteride_side_effects/


Seems to have gotten better with herbs like ashwagandha
 
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HCG mostly used to bring back your neurosteroid production to normal in PFS. Fin destroys it. And to bring back your testicles to normal size if yours affected in a manner that is fixable that way. (There is more than one reason for testicular shrinkage.)

About ARs, it depends on you. Most of the time it is not enough.

Nah, you will not get supression if you use Test with HCG, so yes you have to use together. And follow up a PCT with Clomid or Enclomiphene after that.

I am currently on my own PCT protocol and quitted Testosterone+ HCG. No benefits have seen as im a Post Accutane case. I was trying to test a theory that PAS is Upregulated AR.

So basically, just to test a theory i did 7 weeks of Testosterone+ HCG+ Arimidex+ Pharma grade HGH. LOL.

You start to grow some balls (Even though they are small in reality) after 7 years of suffering. :ss:hairpull

HCG eod 250iu+ Sustanon\ Trestolone (Ask bodybuilding forums for dosage.) with 0.25mg of AI (Not necessary, get some bloodwork on protocol.) should fix your PFS completely.

I know a guy who fixed his pfs with Trest. within few days after injection. Seems like the best AR downregulator.

Have you personnaly tried trestolone?
 
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In case anyone's curious about aromatase inhibitors, I've had a chance to play around with both anastrozole and letrozole while waiting for my proviron and haven't really found them to do much of anything, unfortunately. My serum E dropped from 30-40 pg/ml to ~10 pg/ml after letrozole, but I can't say I noticed any reliable effects... maybe because my T, free T, and presumably SHBG didn't change much. Similar story with anastrozole, though I didn't expect much from it as it's not as active in the central nervous system, and I didn't take enough to seriously dent even serum estrogen.

Anyway, that's my experience. I doubt anyone will be shocked by it lol. Hopefully steroids are more helpful...
 

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In case anyone's curious about aromatase inhibitors, I've had a chance to play around with both anastrozole and letrozole while waiting for my proviron and haven't really found them to do much of anything, unfortunately. My serum E dropped from 30-40 pg/ml to ~10 pg/ml after letrozole, but I can't say I noticed any reliable effects... maybe because my T, free T, and presumably SHBG didn't change much. Similar story with anastrozole, though I didn't expect much from it as it's not as active in the central nervous system, and I didn't take enough to seriously dent even serum estrogen.

Anyway, that's my experience. I doubt anyone will be shocked by it lol. Hopefully steroids are more helpful...
Interesting. Have you tried letrozole over a longer period of time? In what dose? Like a couple of weeks/months? Many hormonal drugs take months to cause a psychological effect.

The experiences of users "Legendary" and "dmal" on the other forum make for interesting reads on this therapy. Legendary actually recommends starting with letrozole only (no clomid).

Taking only letrozole is one of the most "natural" ways to fire up the HPTA axis since low E2 will cause the hypothalamus to think testosteron is low and you're not directly interfering with receptors (like with clomid for instance).

I have actually considered, and am still seriously considering, doing a scheme of tapering off letrozol over half a year like Legendary and dmal as they're some of the few patients reporting substantial improvements with a legit story. Be it temporarily or lasting (dmal).
 
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Interesting. Have you tried letrozole over a longer period of time? In what dose? Like a couple of weeks/months? Many hormonal drugs take months to cause a psychological effect.

The experiences of users "Legendary" and "dmal" on the other forum make for interesting reads on this therapy. Legendary actually recommends starting with letrozole only (no clomid).

Taking only letrozole is one of the most "natural" ways to fire up the HPTA axis since low E2 will cause the hypothalamus to think testosteron is low and you're not directly interfering with receptors (like with clomid for instance).

I have actually considered, and am still seriously considering, doing a scheme of tapering off letrozol over half a year like Legendary and dmal as they're some of the few patients reporting substantial improvements with a legit story. Be it temporarily or lasting (dmal).

I haven't tried sustained usage yet. This drug is so difficult to dose appropriately and of questionable value based on my bloodwork. My HPTA is actually kind of in overdrive already (high LH, high T). The only change I've observed pre and post fin in my labs (which only included T, free T, and SHBG, unfortunately) is a roughly 40% increase in SHBG and a roughly 40% decrease in free T (free T used to be at the top of the range along with T, now it sits more in the middle).
 

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I have all the common PFS symptoms. Brain Fog,Flat, emotion less, lay in bed all day staring, no motivation, no libido, no erections, numb **** etc.

HAve been like this most of my adult life, I did take accutane aged around 16 and maybe my life has sucked since then (39 now). I have up and down periods, not all awful. Have relied heavily on Viagra but doesnt work so good any more.

Have tried most things you could mention. Huge doses of T I couldnt even feel.

Proviron for several months at 25mg ED made me feel like complete death.

Recently I tried 5-10mg doses of winstrol and felt really good for a few days, then it stops working. I tried a bigger dose of 50mg and felt good for a few days then it stops.

I have sky high SHBG (100+). HAve had this my whole life and slowly increasing with age.

I wonder if my lack of Free T and perhaps DHT has caused my AR to be super sensitive. Proviron a relatively weak derivative made me feel like ***t at 25mg. Winstrol a much stronger dht has given me a window of hope.

I read someone on here has had success using 200mg of proviron, but they felt rubbish in the short term. Could the super strong dht down regulate the AR much much quicker? I am making the huge assumption here that ive had little dht my whole life and thus have super sensitive AR.

Interestingly I am stupidly muscular, Ive looked like a body builder my whole life even when not exercising. If I go to the gym once my muscles swell up and look huge - a massive pump which I only read about with guys on Steroids. I have ridiculously thick beard. Could super sensitive AR cause these?

Been extremely depressed lately, and im loosing hope with a cure. Im willing to try anything.

Seeing as winstrol a strong steriod gave me a few good windows.... Ive decided to try an even stronger steroid...

Just took 50mg of Anadrol (apparently the strongest DHT dervied steroid) and 50mg of Winstrol and some masteron to boot. I will update you all if anyting happens and I havent killed myself!

Im on day 5 of HCG protocol, nothing to report other than perhaps worse depression, and bigger testicles.
 

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I found this interesting, that proviron may not attach to the AR, especially in low doses. Perhaps why the high doses have worked. Perhaps why other DHT derivatives have worked better for me. Perhaps PFS sufferers should try a different steroid.
The main difference between Proviron and Masteron is their relative level of anabolic activity in skeletal muscle. Both steroids are capable of attaching to and activating the androgen receptor in muscle tissue. As such, both are theoretically capable of supporting muscle growth. But there is one major problem with Proviron. Like the base steroid dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has a high affinity for the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) enzyme. Why is this important? It is important because 3HSD produces a weaker steroid by removing the highly important 3-keto group on the active steroid molecule. It this case it produces what are known as weak steroid “diols”. 3HSD is present in high amounts in muscle tissue, and represents a sort of blocking wall for the steroid to get through before it is able to find its corresponding receptor in the cytosol of the cell. Proviron and DHT will be actively looking for 3HSD if you will, and as a result very little will find the receptor before being converted to weakly active steroids. This is why people do not gain a lot of muscle mass while taking DHT or Proviron. The 1-methlation may result in improving the oral bioavailability of Proviron, hence the fact that it is an oral drug, but it doesn’t do much to protect it from 3HSD.

Masteron contains a 2-methylated derivative of DHT. Unlike the 1-methylation of Proviron, this alteration doesn’t effectively protect the steroid during oral dosing. This is why we only see Masteron as an injectable medication. However, shifting the methyl group from the 1 to the 2 position on the steroid backbone very effectively prevents conversion by 3HSD. As a result, the steroid is well equipped to enter the cell and break through the defensive line of 3HSD enzymes. It will reach the cytosolic androgen receptor in high concentrations, and because of this may impart a measurable tissue-building effect. So the bottom line is that while both may help improve the look of hardness to the muscles during contest preparations, only Masteron is actually going to offer a strong effect in muscle tissue itself. This means the potential for much more muscle size and strength gains during building phases of training, and at the very least a greater level of muscle preservation during cutting phases of training (the latter due to anabolic action in muscle helping to counter the catabolic effects of calorie restriction). These two drugs illustrate well the fact that categorizing the actions of steroids based on the three derivative bases (testosterone, nandrolone, and dihydrotestosterone) is not a highly accurate practice. So the next time someone tells you “This is a DHT derivative… so”, you can tell them “So what? I want to know what THIS steroid does, not DHT!”
 

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I have all the common PFS symptoms. Brain Fog,Flat, emotion less, lay in bed all day staring, no motivation, no libido, no erections, numb **** etc.

HAve been like this most of my adult life, I did take accutane aged around 16 and maybe my life has sucked since then (39 now). I have up and down periods, not all awful. Have relied heavily on Viagra but doesnt work so good any more.

Have tried most things you could mention. Huge doses of T I couldnt even feel.

Proviron for several months at 25mg ED made me feel like complete death.

Recently I tried 5-10mg doses of winstrol and felt really good for a few days, then it stops working. I tried a bigger dose of 50mg and felt good for a few days then it stops.

I have sky high SHBG (100+). HAve had this my whole life and slowly increasing with age.

I wonder if my lack of Free T and perhaps DHT has caused my AR to be super sensitive. Proviron a relatively weak derivative made me feel like ***t at 25mg. Winstrol a much stronger dht has given me a window of hope.

I read someone on here has had success using 200mg of proviron, but they felt rubbish in the short term. Could the super strong dht down regulate the AR much much quicker? I am making the huge assumption here that ive had little dht my whole life and thus have super sensitive AR.

Interestingly I am stupidly muscular, Ive looked like a body builder my whole life even when not exercising. If I go to the gym once my muscles swell up and look huge - a massive pump which I only read about with guys on Steroids. I have ridiculously thick beard. Could super sensitive AR cause these?

Been extremely depressed lately, and im loosing hope with a cure. Im willing to try anything.

Seeing as winstrol a strong steriod gave me a few good windows.... Ive decided to try an even stronger steroid...

Just took 50mg of Anadrol (apparently the strongest DHT dervied steroid) and 50mg of Winstrol and some masteron to boot. I will update you all if anyting happens and I havent killed myself!

Im on day 5 of HCG protocol, nothing to report other than perhaps worse depression, and bigger testicles.
high shbg, usually means high prolactin. Use vitamin b6 in bit higher doses, b6 decrease prolactin. Also progesterone decreases prolactin. HCG will only increase your prolactin and shbg levels., so will increase depression.
 
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