Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome

[shine111]

My take on PFS is simple. We already proved this theory in our whatsapp PFS recovery group.

It is easy to fix, Sustanon\ Trestolone+ HCG(Joe's dosages) with low dose Progesterone.(If you have low GABA activity.) (10-20mg)
You can add 4iu's of HGH into the mix just to speed up recovery. Use it every other day, mornings, otherwise it supresses receptors. That's all you guys have to do in my opinion and collected data. Don't wait others to report and try out protocols be the lead yourself.

You guys overthink and wait too much, wasting time and energy. The protocol above should work and fix PFS. I have seen the evidence. Wish i was PFS instead of PAS. Hope this helps.

I agree with your opinion. The root cause of PFS is androgens, and I think the solution is to downregulate and resensitize androgens. Treatments such as hcg can be resensitized, but can this be downregulated? I would like to know the mechanism of downregulation.

 

[Cooper]

I agree with your opinion. The root cause of PFS is androgens, and I think the solution is to downregulate and resensitize androgens. Treatments such as hcg can be resensitized, but can this be downregulated? I would like to know the mechanism of downregulation.

That's why i added steroids. 250İU of HCG can not downregulate your receptors. It is too weak. HCG mimics LH and increases neurosteroids. I tried with no results or worsenings. (I am PAS.)

You need a steroid with it to downregulate your ARs. Try medium- high doses of Sustanon or Trestolone with it. It should work. There is nothing elso to do, so nothing to be scared of in my opinion. Inject the steroids in your Vastus Lateralis muscle, i tried it with HCG before, out of curiosity and it was painless. Use insuline needles for HCG on your belly fat.

There are tutorials about it on youtube.

 

[shine111]

That's why i added steroids. 250İU of HCG can not downregulate your receptors. It is too weak. HCG mimics LH and increases neurosteroids. I tried with no results or worsenings. (I am PAS.)

You need a steroid with it to downregulate your ARs. Try medium- high doses of Sustanon or Trestolone with it. It should work. There is nothing elso to do, so nothing to be scared of in my opinion. Inject the steroids in your Vastus Lateralis muscle, i tried it with HCG before, out of curiosity and it was painless. Use insuline needles for HCG on your belly fat.

There are tutorials about it on youtube.

What is the recommended frequency of medium and high capacity Sustanon and Testosterone? Will current excess AR be permanently restored with short-term Sustanone treatment rather than temporary? Excuse me for many questions.

 

[Cooper]

What is the recommended frequency of medium and high capacity Sustanon and Testosterone? Will current excess AR be permanently restored with short-term Sustanone treatment rather than temporary? Excuse me for many questions.

Yeah we have a guy who recovered libido permanently with moderate Sustanon intake for example. For dosages, check out T nation forum etc.

I hope it works out for you in the end.

 

[John W]

Yeah we have a guy who recovered libido permanently with moderate Sustanon intake for example. For dosages, check out T nation forum etc.

I hope it works out for you in the end.

has he come off and been recovered upon dropping treatment, though? There are people who get libido while on TRT and such and lose it again when come off.

not trying to personally attack you mate, but your previous post of “nothing can go wrong” with someone who has no idea of doing a cycle of TRT/sustanon/MENT can ABSOLUTELY hurt themselves. The proof is not in the pudding enough yet IMO to try this route.

 

[golder]

Cerebrolysin is by the way the perfect cure for this.

5ml/day for three months straight.

Really interested in trying this. Has anyone had any experience with cerebrolysin? Thanks!

 

[newyorker]

Has anyone explored any of the online and crowdsourced medical community sites out there, to put some structure around our condition, and see if it relates to anything else, in hopes of finding appropriate treatment?

I've come across this site, and they list Post Finasteride Syndrome as a condition they could explore, but don't have enough members and their symptoms to do something yet. While I appreciate this forum, it's not as large as it can be, and "data" is all over and unstructured. Given I've spend 6 months injecting hcg into me, I did take a few minutes to join, and would think if more people do, we may see some parallels between our condition and others.

I'm going to plead with you all to consider doing it in hope their "science" can improve the odds of getting us closer to appropriate treatment. I've suffered with this condition for 15 years, and with the slow pace of medicine, it may be too late to "fix" me, but there may be hope for all of those that are younger. We have to do something and leverage every available resource we can. Please consider doing it.

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[Mister]

Has anyone explored any of the online and crowdsourced medical community sites out there, to put some structure around our condition, and see if it relates to anything else, in hopes of finding appropriate treatment?

I've come across this site, and they list Post Finasteride Syndrome as a condition they could explore, but don't have enough members and their symptoms to do something yet. While I appreciate this forum, it's not as large as it can be, and "data" is all over and unstructured. Given I've spend 6 months injecting hcg into me, I did take a few minutes to join, and would think if more people do, we may see some parallels between our condition and others.

I'm going to plead with you all to consider doing it in hope their "science" can improve the odds of getting us closer to appropriate treatment. I've suffered with this condition for 15 years, and with the slow pace of medicine, it may be too late to "fix" me, but there may be hope for all of those that are younger. We have to do something and leverage every available resource we can. Please consider doing it.

Figuring out together which treatments work best

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You were on HCG right? I see you had some benefits from it but not enough then?

 

[newyorker]

Yes, I had some benefits after 6 months on hCG. The only remaining benefit that has remained has been ejaculate went from really watery to thicker. I’ve tried a few things since, with zero effect, and am still trying things, as I have for 15 years.

At this point, I thinks there are many thousands with our condition and we need to better gather symptoms and how we attempted to resolve them in a more standardized format, and not only in numerous forums. There may be those with similar conditions not identified as PFS that have been resolved and we don’t know about it. After all these years, we have to look everywhere and that’s why I suggested that online crowdsourcing site. They already list PFS as a condition, and have some data on it. If we all signed up, we may get closer to a cure, because aside from the rare and often unrepeatable success story, we’re nowhere.

 

[FinVictim]

Has anyone explored any of the online and crowdsourced medical community sites out there, to put some structure around our condition, and see if it relates to anything else, in hopes of finding appropriate treatment?

I've come across this site, and they list Post Finasteride Syndrome as a condition they could explore, but don't have enough members and their symptoms to do something yet. While I appreciate this forum, it's not as large as it can be, and "data" is all over and unstructured. Given I've spend 6 months injecting hcg into me, I did take a few minutes to join, and would think if more people do, we may see some parallels between our condition and others.

I'm going to plead with you all to consider doing it in hope their "science" can improve the odds of getting us closer to appropriate treatment. I've suffered with this condition for 15 years, and with the slow pace of medicine, it may be too late to "fix" me, but there may be hope for all of those that are younger. We have to do something and leverage every available resource we can. Please consider doing it.

Figuring out together which treatments work best

Add your experience to the largest community-driven research

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Just registered with facebook. For everyone who's hesitant about whether this is visible to your friends: It's not. It's set to "only me" by default.

@newyorker:

What are your experiences over the past 15 years? Have any of your symptoms improved somewhat?

Has your desire and joy for life come back a little bit? Can you look forward to things with anticipatory excitement again? Do you get excited about things in general?

An update of my situation:
I'm currently on a hCG 200IU every 3 days regimen and waiting for mesterolone (proviron) to arrive. I tried 100mg for 4 weeks with no effect. Planning on doing 200mg a day 6 week cycles in addition to the hCG. As it seems the combination of hCG and mesterolone is a recurring combination in (partial) recovery stories.

It seems the androgen deprivation has almost completely shut off our dopamine and serotonin pathways. We should somehow fire up the androgen-/dopamine- and serotonin pathways. They work synergistically.

Recap of my story:
29 years old. Apart from insecurity about my hair I was the happiest guy in the world, very ambitious, high libido. Took 1mg finasteride for 20 days in March 2020. Noticed erectile dysfunction and total loss of libido, immediately quit but these sides never passed. Anhedonia and flat emotions seem to have creeped in during the year. Fortunately not feeling depressed, no serious brain fog or cognitive impairment. Testosteron level 12 nmol/L (median in society for my age 22nmol/L).
Tried hCG 200IU eod for 6 months (jan '21 - june '21), increased my testosteron to 35nmol/L, skyrocketed estradiol to way above normal, noticed an increase in energy in the purest sense of the word (no effect on all the symptoms, except energy levels) and stools turned a little softer again, hair less dry. After quitting had severe drop in energy levels, felt miserable. Tried bupropion 300mg every day without any noticeable benefits for 3 months.
Restarted hCG 200IU every 3 days to raise energy levels again (through higher testosteron).

 

[Mister]

Interesting, even Joe admits propecia fcked him up:



New update too:

 

[newyorker]

Just registered with facebook. For everyone who's hesitant about whether this is visible to your friends: It's not. It's set to "only me" by default.

@newyorker:

What are your experiences over the past 15 years? Have any of your symptoms improved somewhat?

Has your desire and joy for life come back a little bit? Can you look forward to things with anticipatory excitement again? Do you get excited about things in general?

An update of my situation:
I'm currently on a hCG 200IU every 3 days regimen and waiting for mesterolone (proviron) to arrive. I tried 100mg for 4 weeks with no effect. Planning on doing 200mg a day 6 week cycles in addition to the hCG. As it seems the combination of hCG and mesterolone is a recurring combination in (partial) recovery stories.

It seems the androgen deprivation has almost completely shut off our dopamine and serotonin pathways. We should somehow fire up the androgen-/dopamine- and serotonin pathways. They work synergistically.

Recap of my story:
29 years old. Apart from insecurity about my hair I was the happiest guy in the world, very ambitious, high libido. Took 1mg finasteride for 20 days in March 2020. Noticed erectile dysfunction and total loss of libido, immediately quit but these sides never passed. Anhedonia and flat emotions seem to have creeped in during the year. Fortunately not feeling depressed, no serious brain fog or cognitive impairment. Testosteron level 12 nmol/L (median in society for my age 22nmol/L).
Tried hCG 200IU eod for 6 months (jan '21 - june '21), increased my testosteron to 35nmol/L, skyrocketed estradiol to way above normal, noticed an increase in energy in the purest sense of the word (no effect on all the symptoms, except energy levels) and stools turned a little softer again, hair less dry. After quitting had severe drop in energy levels, felt miserable. Tried bupropion 300mg every day without any noticeable benefits for 3 months.
Restarted hCG 200IU every 3 days to raise energy levels again (through higher testosteron).

Hello FinVictim,
Over the last 15 years, the condition stayed about the same, only seemingly being affected by diet. I did feel better and have some slight improvements with HCG that are listed in my prior posts. Nothing else seemed to work, including dozens and dozens of herbs, injectable testosterone, Clomid, and other things. Mood got better and depression eased a bit with Bupropion. You do get used to this condition, once you accept it, which I’m sorry to say. You live around the symptoms and make it work because you have to survive.

I have no excitement and I have no joy, except for brief moments. I do enjoy the company of others, because being alone is painful. I haven‘t shared my story with anyone. With women I’ve been with, I’ve lied and said I have a prostate condition (partial true) and it’s made ”things“ difficult. I increasingly find myself with older women, who are less into the sex and more into the intimacy, which I long for, and I’ve found other ways to please them. For what it’s worth, I feel nothing down there, and haven‘t for many years. With cIalis or other drugs, I sometimes can get enough of an erection to penetrate, but it’s bizarre to not even feel it at all.

The side effects are more that sexual, and the memory and speech are the first I notice. Gone is my steel trap memory, remembering ever detail. At times, I can’t even remember my own phone number, or the names of people I see each day. Physically, I’ve lost the little muscle I’ve had, and put on weight like a woman, in my hips and belly, while maintaining skinny arms.

Vision has suffered and watery eyes are an everyday issue. While I’ve gotten used to so much, I’m also getting older, and dealing with what comes with that as well. I can only hope for some relief from this condition before I die of old age. I’m trying everything out there, and every “success story” on PropeciaHelp, reddit, facebook and the whatsapp group I’m in. We can’t give up and need a much much better way to collect information on what we’ve done, and the level of success. It would be horrible if someone was actually “cured” and we’re left wondering how, and experimentIng on our own bodies in vain.

Good luck with the combination hCG and Proviron. Please report back your progress.

 

[Mr.Cacciatore]

I used hormones for years, and i want to point out that there are things that will interfere with hormones effects, and no matter what the amount i take, even if i take 500 mg of Testosterone it will not work and my penis will remain limp if i take these things. By the way, on me, caffeine, dairy, alcohol and starches really mess with the effect of hormones. When i start to drink coffe, even if i am taking half gram of test a week i still experience erectil dysfunction AND loss of libido (it's not only vasoconstriction, it really acts on my brain), with my penis becoming REALLY short when flaccid and very thin when hard. Furthermore it become very insensitive, and even if i can get hard i don't feel anything. Caffeine also decrease my endurance a lot, i don't the mechanism, but i am breathless constantly, and even only the thought of having sex makes me breathless. Maybe has something to do with anemia, RBC or something like that. After quitting coffee i need at least a week for my erections be good again, for my sex drive to recover and for my flaccid size to be the one of usual. Alcohol is kinda similar, just a little alcohol makes my penis very short and thin the day after, and it become insensitive almost immediatly. Starches and dairy are not that bad as caffeine and alcohol but still cause problem, probably because of endotoxins, ad like TheBeard i also experienced an increased libido after using Augmentin for a while my sex drive and erection quality increased a lot, i was constantly horny and my ejaculation volume increase incredibly.

By the way, i recap of things that helped a lot to solve my problems:

- Quitting caffeine (one of the most important thing): coffee, chocolate etc Caffeine also decrease our GH levels. GH is very important for energy levels and the firmness of an erection, furthermore it makes us slim, coffe promote abdominal fat because it reduce Growth hormone levels.
- Quitting alcohol
- Quitting starches
- Quitting dairy
- Be cautious with supplement: almost every supplement on hearth seems to damage my libido, especially the "testosterone booster" like ashwaganda and zinc (zinc increase my libido the first days and then it crashes it). Melatonin is also particularly bad. Try one supplement at time, and wait at least two weeks to see how you react.
- Injectable Testosterone: 250 mg a week or even 500 if i want to recover faster and feeling happy and feeling something again. I tried Testosterone cream but that didn't really worked, probably the over conversion to dht crash my estrogens and cortisol, and for myself estrogens are crucial for my sex drive and to feel something. When my estrogens are low i experience anhedonia and i am like a ziombie, when my estrogens are higher i feel alive again, i enjoy e get excited seeing movies and series, i cry etc
- DO NOT CRASH estrogens: i know on this forum they are seen like the devil, but they are really crucial for sex drive and emotions.
HCG: WAY BETTER than testosterone alone. HCG does not increase only testosterone, but all the steroids. Libido and sex drive depend heavily on balance, to much of a good thing is a bad thing. We do not only need testosterone, but also progesterone, pregnenolone, dhea etc. Another important thing is that HCG act strongly not only on testicles but on adrenals also. This can help to sustain our cortisol levels.
- Cortisol: REALL IMPORTANT! Quite often people using too much androgens, or progesterone/pregnenolone or aspirin or things that reduce cortisol lose they libido. Cortisol is essential in the right levels for sex drive, if our cortisol tank our penis will not function properly. A person with low cortisol levels also will suffer al lot more emotionally, wil experience anhedonia and will not any drive in life, a zombie. So pay attention not to crash your cortisol levels, in the same way we do not want to tank our estrogens levels. In soem cases, if Thyroid hormones (they help to increase cortisol over time) and HCG are not enough to increase our tanked levels of cortisol, supplementin with bio identical cortidsol can help.
- Dht derivates like Proviron o Masteron or simply using Testosterne cream on the scrotum quite foten tanked my libido, probably for the anti estrogens and anti cortisol effect. So for me they are a no go.

Mind that i had gyno during puberty (15-16 yo i think) and seems that males who had gyno during puberty are quite insensitive to estrogens, so they need more. Because of this i probably need more estrogens than the avarage person. If you had gyno during puberty, you probably can function better with higher estrogens levels.

Speaking about caffeine and nutrition in general messing with hormone therapy: some times ago i did a blood test, my testosterone levels where 300% higher than normal, DHT 1000% higher than normal (a thousand percent), estrogens in range and very low prolactin (i was using cabergoline),but i was drinking coffee, alcohol and eating starches and raw vegetables, i was also taking various supplements. Even with those blood levels i was basically asexual and incapable of achieving an erection. So we have to focus really on diet and nutrition and not only on hormone therapies.

I know that on this forum people are really into dairy and coffee, i used to drink a lot of them also, but thay made me fat and gave me a limp ****. I keep using these for an year on and off and the result were always the same, very bad for body composition and sexual performance. Try to eliminate these for a while.

My diet is: fatty ruminant meet (beef, sheep, horse etc), ruminant fat like beef tallow is especially good for sex drive, i eat little fat my sexual performance is damaged; fruit and fruit juice; eggs, eggshell powder, seafood, carrots, olive oil, salt.

I also suggest to follow the work of Dr. Thierry Hertoghe, on his website: Frequently asked questions | Hertoghe Clinic and on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCon-Up1v71reDyjcGESQi2A

 

[Cooper]

If anyone here did a IGF- 1 bloodtest, can you please share it? I would like to see other patients bloodresults of IGF- 1.

I have several age matched mean levels of IGF-1 in my archive to compare, im collecting evidence for something.

And\Or please share your DEXA bone mineral density scans or any other bone health tests you did before.

Please contribute, thanks.

 

[newyorker]

Would anyone know for certain if Ovidrel (choriogonadotropin alfa) is a suitable substitute for the HCG (pregnyl) that I was taking? I'm asking because my health insurance company won't cover Pregnyl but will cover Ovidrel. And I'm curious if anyone has tried it to any success.

 

[MS11]

Has anybody here tried Cistanche for PFS? Fairplay made a post on it on page 34 and I wish I could contact him but seems like he's gone. It looks like Cistanche downregulates AR in the brain which could help with PFS.

 

[Vicecaz]

@newyorker I had to take ovidrel too. Didn't notice any difference between ovidrel and pregnyl to be fair.

@MS11 I'm PAS but cistanche is one of my all-time favorite herb.

For the quick update on my situation I was in a terrible situation starting from June after I mixed HCG with Proviron and started to develop extreme fatigue (really unbearable, my daily life was hell. No other way to put it), severe oedema, blood circulation issues, racing hearts when lying down, feeling inflamed all the time, slow, weak.

I had a brief intake of Prog and Prednisolone (3 days each) later in July and the period coincides with stressful events as well but still. I had it really bad when I first crashed a few years ago but I never thought I could know again such situation in terms of violence and pain.

I just think that I was careless in my experiments, mixing several things out of desperation after I made great temporary progress in January this year, and that I induced sort of a shock to my whole system.


I also developed severe hair loss, with no hairline recession but extreme thinning on the top, on the sides, and on the back. I started to lose hair in my chest as well. I've never seen this pattern before, I'll provide pictures if you're interested but I swear I did not know that something like this was possible. It seems like it is/was severe retrograde alopecia/DUPA.

It's only been a few days that I'm out of this state. The Edemas that were occurring in my ankles just like diabetic or old people seem to be gone, as well as the fatigue. My hair seems to be on the right path to recover but who knows how long it will take regrow everything I've lost. Or if.

The fight goes on. I've jumped back on Cdnuts protocol which is the protocol that was the first to stabilize my condition and provide relief.

How's everyone doing?

 

[MS11]

@newyorker I had to take ovidrel too. Didn't notice any difference between ovidrel and pregnyl to be fair.

@MS11 I'm PAS but cistanche is one of my all-time favorite herb.

For the quick update on my situation I was in a terrible situation starting from June after I mixed HCG with Proviron and started to develop extreme fatigue (really unbearable, my daily life was hell. No other way to put it), severe oedema, blood circulation issues, racing hearts when lying down, feeling inflamed all the time, slow, weak.

I had a brief intake of Prog and Prednisolone (3 days each) later in July and the period coincides with stressful events as well but still. I had it really bad when I first crashed a few years ago but I never thought I could know again such situation in terms of violence and pain.

I just think that I was careless in my experiments, mixing several things out of desperation after I made great temporary progress in January this year, and that I induced sort of a shock to my whole system.


I also developed severe hair loss, with no hairline recession but extreme thinning on the top, on the sides, and on the back. I started to lose hair in my chest as well. I've never seen this pattern before, I'll provide pictures if you're interested but I swear I did not know that something like this was possible. It seems like it is/was severe retrograde alopecia/DUPA.

It's only been a few days that I'm out of this state. The Edemas that were occurring in my ankles just like diabetic or old people seem to be gone, as well as the fatigue. My hair seems to be on the right path to recover but who knows how long it will take regrow everything I've lost. Or if.

The fight goes on. I've jumped back on Cdnuts protocol which is the protocol that was the first to stabilize my condition and provide relief.

How's everyone doing?

What did cistanche help you with? Just sexual symptoms?

 

[Vicecaz]

What did cistanche help you with? Just sexual symptoms?

Yes, as well as energy and well being.

 

[newyorker]

Yes, as well as energy and well being.

How long did it take before you started to feel an effect? Asking because I’m on it a week, and sense nothing.