Fermented Diary Instead Of Milk?

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Ive been trying to 'adapt' to significant quantities of milk ie 2 pints or more per day for 5 months now and still have bouts of bloating and diarrhoea, however I digest fermented diary fine eg yogurt and kefir, although ray says of yogurt, consuming more than an ounce per day is not good, he says strained kefir (AKA kefir cheese) is fine:
Kefir: http://peatarian.com/private-corresponding#kefir
Yogurt: http://peatarian.com/private-corresponding#yoghurt

Regarding kefir cheese, does he mean fine in that its OK to consume 2 pints of the stuff daily even though kefir cheese still has a sour taste to it indicative of lactic acid content?

Does straining a fermented diary product for long enough to get rid of the liquid whey (thats where the bulk of the lactic acid is) mean that its OK to consume freely or does one still have to restrict due remaining lactic acid? Has ray commented much on this?

I know cottage cheese gets the green light from ray but I prefer the taste of kefir cheese to cottage cheese as kefir cheese is more like yogurt and tastes good with honey.
 

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I cant digest milk neither, I dont know, maybe because it so watery that its dificult to digest. But he said that the sour taste from kefir is from lactic acid salt which is safer than lactic acid.

Hmm, all the lactic acid in is the whey. I somehow igonered the lactic acid problem but I eat yogurt once in every 3 days. But you got me thinking, if all the lactic acid is in whey I will try to find some greek yogurt.
Greek yourt is a "strained" regular yogurt.
 

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I just found this answer on peatarian.com where Sarah says, ray had said "Greek yogurt from which the acidic whey had been strained was okay."
source: http://peatarian.com/9819/can-lactic-ac ... rom-yogurt

I bought some strained yogurt yesterday and like the kefir cheese it still has a slight sour taste from it indicating its lactic acid content. Im just wondering when ray says its 'OK' does he mean OK in small amounts or OK to eat as much as you like eg 2 or more pints per day? OK as a complete substitute for milk?
 

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I think yogurt is a great source of both calcium and protein for people who don't tolerate milk.

What are the symptoms of lactic acid toxicity through diet? I never experienced any digestive issues from yogurt (from milk I do if I overconsume it).
 

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Have you tried boiling the milk before you drink it? I normally bring it to a boil in the microwave and then add cinnamon, chocolate, salt etc, whatever feels right at the time. I heard this makes it easier to digest.
 

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I drank a lot of kefir in the 2000s. I do not know if I have excess lactic acid but to be on the safe side have discontinued.

Kefir gets expensive after a while so you may want to consider making it yourself. Here is a source of kefir grains I read about a few years ago; this lady will send you the grains for $20 in cash:
http://kefirlady.com/
 

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I have always wondered about the lactic acid content of foods you ingest vs what is produced by your cells.

If you ingest lactic acid, wouldn't the basic parts of the intestines convert it to lactate? And isn't lactate then beneficial for the colon, heart, and brain, where it is used as fuel?


I tried to look online, but can't find the fate of ingested lactic acid.
 

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Ray Peat on kefir,

KEFIR

The neutral lactate salt is at least as toxic as the acid form, but each culture varies a little in the amount of acid formed. The enzyme that thickens the milk sometimes works with very little acid formed. How sour the kefir is suggests how much lactic acid is in it. There are types of yogurt that have much of the acidic whey drained out, that aren't a problem. A spoonful or two of acidic yogurt isn't harmful, but a cupful of the acidic type can be enough to deplete the liver's energy stores, because lactic acid is converted to glucose in the liver, requiring energy. The "strained" type that isn't acidic is similar to cottage cheese and is safe.
 

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I just checked the link and it was fine. Incapsula is the CDN(content delivery network) used here at the forum. Basically it hosts this website in many data centers around the world to help speed up delivery and cut down on bandwidth.
 

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narouz said:
Ari said:
Thanks for that. I've just read the full lactate article over on Peat's site again, as well as reading this link too https://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/view ... hp?p=18390

Helped to clear up some things in my mind.


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This paper was pretty good too, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 16/?page=1

*When I click first link quoted above, my computer gives me a warning not to go there--says I'm being directed to someplace called "incapsula"..."

Here's the fixed link to the article.

viewtopic.php?p=18390

The reason for the error was the http had an 's' added (https://) causing the link to be flagged by your comp eventually linking you to incapsula server.
 
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