Facial Asymmetry Correlates With Thyroid Dysfunction?

Is Your Face Very Asymmetrical Too?


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My face sure looks alot like this woman - one nostril bigger than the other and the mouth kinda pulled back to the same side as the smaller nostril (the right side is the smaller/tighter one), like that whole side of the face is squished, I guess similar to Rachel Maddow's face too:


Below the video in the YouTube comments he writes: "This is present in 99% of all people with thyroid disorders. I have gone through hundreds of photos and found only one exception.".
That means almost everyone on this forum should have the same issue, I wonder if that's the case...
 

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True in my case, but definitely goes away when things are all clicking health wise. It comes and go, so I don’t trip too much about it except seeing it as another marker for health.
 

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So much to say here but bullet points are the following (and note that I have worked the last 4-plus years on all this, a lot of it during the middle of the night in bed when I could not return to sleep after waking up at 3am):
My "Thyroid Meltdown Feb 2016" (see my other posts about that) brought numerous symmetry issues to the fore and it was like my attempts to fix thyroid issues made the symmetry issues start to 'fix themselves':
* Legs/ankles were first (childhood braces to try to 'correct' my turned-in ankles made me look more 'straight' but the overcorrection had forced me to jog with excessive supination for years);
* Knees became affected as legs began to become more symmetrical and evened-out;
* I worked on knees and hips as the results from prior levels traveled up and sciatic issues worsened;
Progress and improvement (utilizing a lot of dietary, Peat-inspired-thinking work by day and massage, stretching and various exercise regimes by night) proceeded to the midriff area ;
-- and although the ileocecal and pyloric valves are basically said to be right-side and a little off-center respectively, mine seemed to be way off to the sides and my ileocecal was much lower right-side almost on my back and the pyloric was high left side under ribs, so there seemed to be a disconnect big-time in their coordination and 'communication' so to speak (LIFELONG digestive IBS issues, big family thing too, everybody manifesting those on both sides of my family including all the histamine symptoms, with hypothyroid and autoimmune conditions abounding not to mention colds nonstop, allergies, etc.);
* Next came a rehash of the 7 years of orthodontia age 11-16 but without braces this time: teeth, jaw and tongue issues of longstanding nature cropped back up but this time I met the challenge with 'mewing' and similar information from this forum (thank goodness);
** THEN the real fun began where my EYES and BRAIN tried to get more symmetrical and evened-out; let's just say I've had lifelong issues along the vision front (no 3-D/ no depth perception and eye operations at age 5 or 6 made me look less 'cross-eyed' but I still had 'double vision') and the ultimate unbelievable realization so far was that I think my RIGHT SIDE was not really 'mapped' at all and basically did not exist as far as true perception / full use of it. (I am supposedly right-handed but left-hands and feet are larger and stronger, and I always used to doodle in elementary school using my left-hand and writing upside down and backward, etc.)

There are 'midbrain' and cross-body polarization work mentioned on certain specialist websites and it has helped me A LOT to do some of the exercises mentioned on those.

After all this: vast improvement on all fronts from bottom of feet to top of head and everything in between but it has been a physical struggle and a dietary revamp. I urge everybody who reads this to just literally physically touch/grab/tackle/whatever level -- and trust me those valves can take a lot of wrestling and need it! their own areas of concern and with the eyes shut, begin to get SMA Sensory Motor Awareness of what the issues are -- if self-healing gets going you all may find yourselves having to deal with all this -- I never expected 4 years doing all this!

All I wanted in February 2016 was some medical doctor to prescribe me some natural thyroid medication, and when that did not happen and I had to quit taking the horrible synthetic T-4, well, all the above ensued rapidly, but in the long run and in hindsight it's been worth it all.

The leg and facial symmetry are outwardly noticed as improved but more importantly I have become more internally symmetrical and it is amazing how that seems to help all the systems inside do their own thing in the proper way that only those systems really 'know how to do.'
 
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So much to say here but bullet points are the following (and note that I have worked the last 4-plus years on all this, a lot of it during the middle of the night in bed when I could not return to sleep after waking up at 3am):
My "Thyroid Meltdown Feb 2016" (see my other posts about that) brought numerous symmetry issues to the fore and it was like my attempts to fix thyroid issues made the symmetry issues start to 'fix themselves':
* Legs/ankles were first (childhood braces to try to 'correct' my turned-in ankles made me look more 'straight' but the overcorrection had forced me to jog with excessive supination for years);
* Knees became affected as legs began to become more symmetrical and evened-out;
* I worked on knees and hips as the results from prior levels traveled up and sciatic issues worsened;
Progress and improvement (utilizing a lot of dietary, Peat-inspired-thinking work by day and massage, stretching and various exercise regimes by night) proceeded to the midriff area ;
-- and although the ileocecal and pyloric valves are basically said to be right-side and a little off-center respectively, mine seemed to be way off to the sides and my ileocecal was much lower right-side almost on my back and the pyloric was high left side under ribs, so there seemed to be a disconnect big-time in their coordination and 'communication' so to speak (LIFELONG digestive IBS issues, big family thing too, everybody manifesting those on both sides of my family including all the histamine symptoms, with hypothyroid and autoimmune conditions abounding not to mention colds nonstop, allergies, etc.);
* Next came a rehash of the 7 years of orthodontia age 11-16 but without braces this time: teeth, jaw and tongue issues of longstanding nature cropped back up but this time I met the challenge with 'mewing' and similar information from this forum (thank goodness);
** THEN the real fun began where my EYES and BRAIN tried to get more symmetrical and evened-out; let's just say I've had lifelong issues along the vision front (no 3-D/ no depth perception and eye operations at age 5 or 6 made me look less 'cross-eyed' but I still had 'double vision') and the ultimate unbelievable realization so far was that I think my RIGHT SIDE was not really 'mapped' at all and basically did not exist as far as true perception / full use of it. (I am supposedly right-handed but left-hands and feet are larger and stronger, and I always used to doodle in elementary school using my left-hand and writing upside down and backward, etc.)

There are 'midbrain' and cross-body polarization work mentioned on certain specialist websites and it has helped me A LOT to do some of the exercises mentioned on those.

After all this: vast improvement on all fronts from bottom of feet to top of head and everything in between but it has been a physical struggle and a dietary revamp. I urge everybody who reads this to just literally physically touch/grab/tackle/whatever level -- and trust me those valves can take a lot of wrestling and need it! their own areas of concern and with the eyes shut, begin to get SMA Sensory Motor Awareness of what the issues are -- if self-healing gets going you all may find yourselves having to deal with all this -- I never expected 4 years doing all this!

All I wanted in February 2016 was some medical doctor to prescribe me some natural thyroid medication, and when that did not happen and I had to quit taking the horrible synthetic T-4, well, all the above ensued rapidly, but in the long run and in hindsight it's been worth it all.

The leg and facial symmetry are outwardly noticed as improved but more importantly I have become more internally symmetrical and it is amazing how that seems to help all the systems inside do their own thing in the proper way that only those systems really 'know how to do.'
That's an amazing story!
Thanks for sharing it.
 

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and although the ileocecal and pyloric valves
Interesting, I remember someone else talking about ileocecal valves. I think it was Janelle? But also another person, I might have the thread bookmarked.

How old are you right now?

I have some very slight asymmetries, nobody would think so looking at me, but basically the entire right side of my body feels a bit longer/disjointed. My arms, thighs, and even torso. Right arm/thigh/leg feel like they have very loose joints, and reach farther. Had problems in right knee. Meanwhile my left back feels very tight and shortened, and this gets much worse when I have the flu or something.

When I'm in good health, it's like my right side gets a bit shorter, and my left side a bit longer, bringing back balance.
 

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Interesting, I remember someone else talking about ileocecal valves. I think it was Janelle? But also another person, I might have the thread bookmarked.

How old are you right now?

I have some very slight asymmetries, nobody would think so looking at me, but basically the entire right side of my body feels a bit longer/disjointed. My arms, thighs, and even torso. Right arm/thigh/leg feel like they have very loose joints, and reach farther. Had problems in right knee. Meanwhile my left back feels very tight and shortened, and this gets much worse when I have the flu or something.

When I'm in good health, it's like my right side gets a bit shorter, and my left side a bit longer, bringing back balance.


Just turned 65. My husband does not look asymmetrical to just see him but has always told me he feels very much so internally and feels his shoulders' tilt and points of connection or whatever it's called, are major points of difference. He has worked on this since age 12 for nearly 60 years through lifting weights and that kind of thing but it has persisted anyway (shoulder disparities). I think certain imbalances can lead to injuries -- even minor 'slips' that seem like nothing may have longer term effects and he's definitely had some repercussions like that.

My 4 years of physical self-overhaul have been very slow and gradual due to my fatigue, DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness from hypothyroidism is my only guess as to what it is) and trying to rebuild the entire system, as my body seems to be guiding things to go.

It is very disappointing to have become such a basket case really, having been a person who jogged 6 or 7 miles, 6 days a week and did The Firm Aerobic Videos with Weights for a long time, and kettlebells too in the not-so-distant past. Just to take a slow walk now out in the neighborhood is a major accomplishment, but I'm getting better. Fortunately my qi gong and yoga efforts such as they are (no expertise here) are not exhausting and do lend to the symmetry efforts as well as provide warming and stretching benefits.

It's funny but I, the poster child of messed up eyes, was always obsessed with symmetry (in buildings / architecture, clothing patterns and workmanship like fabric nap and plaid matching and so on, and did not care for those "avant-garde" outfits that are diagonal or one bare shoulder or whatever).
 

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Just turned 65. My husband does not look asymmetrical to just see him but has always told me he feels very much so internally and feels his shoulders' tilt and points of connection or whatever it's called, are major points of difference. He has worked on this since age 12 for nearly 60 years through lifting weights and that kind of thing but it has persisted anyway (shoulder disparities). I think certain imbalances can lead to injuries -- even minor 'slips' that seem like nothing may have longer term effects and he's definitely had some repercussions like that.

My 4 years of physical self-overhaul have been very slow and gradual due to my fatigue, DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness from hypothyroidism is my only guess as to what it is) and trying to rebuild the entire system, as my body seems to be guiding things to go.

It is very disappointing to have become such a basket case really, having been a person who jogged 6 or 7 miles, 6 days a week and did The Firm Aerobic Videos with Weights for a long time, and kettlebells too in the not-so-distant past. Just to take a slow walk now out in the neighborhood is a major accomplishment, but I'm getting better. Fortunately my qi gong and yoga efforts such as they are (no expertise here) are not exhausting and do lend to the symmetry efforts as well as provide warming and stretching benefits.

It's funny but I, the poster child of messed up eyes, was always obsessed with symmetry (in buildings / architecture, clothing patterns and workmanship like fabric nap and plaid matching and so on, and did not care for those "avant-garde" outfits that are diagonal or one bare shoulder or whatever).

Have you ever tried synchronized firing of both sides simultaneously? I’ve been playing around with contracting both my left and right quads and the same time in a rhythmic pattern, and have noticed that syncing them involves a concerted effort to do properly. One could also open and close hands at the same time, or even hop up and down evenly from both feet. It’s incredibly fun to do this to music, and probably even facilitates the exercise.

I’ll also play around with being able to stop my feet in a consistent even rhythm, or tap my hands against my legs like playing the drums at a steady drum roll. All of these things involve syncing up my mind to fire my muscles on both sides in a coordinated fashion, and they end up being very restorative when I fall into rhythm. I like to begin with a right side lead, which is easier for me because I’m right handed, and then switch it up and begin the lead with my left hand, which is more challenging but I think important to do.
 

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Have you ever tried synchronized firing of both sides simultaneously? I’ve been playing around with contracting both my left and right quads and the same time in a rhythmic pattern, and have noticed that syncing them involves a concerted effort to do properly. One could also open and close hands at the same time, or even hop up and down evenly from both feet. It’s incredibly fun to do this to music, and probably even facilitates the exercise.

I’ll also play around with being able to stop my feet in a consistent even rhythm, or tap my hands against my legs like playing the drums at a steady drum roll. All of these things involve syncing up my mind to fire my muscles on both sides in a coordinated fashion, and they end up being very restorative when I fall into rhythm. I like to begin with a right side lead, which is easier for me because I’m right handed, and then switch it up and begin the lead with my left hand, which is more challenging but I think important to do.


Fabulous! I think what you're doing is a great mind-body-nervous system balancing thing and a lot harder to do than it sounds!

And in the terms of "The Five Rites of Rejuvenation" in "The Eye of Revelation" [Peter Kelder version, J. W. Watt Editor, Booklocker dot com, Inc. 2008 - or Borderland Sciences Research Foundation, Vista, CA 1969, per Watt the only other legitimate version of the Kelder book] it seems to me it gets those vortexes into organized coherent spin!

Rite #2, a Leg Lift basically, which resembles a Callanetics tummy tightener, is extremely hard for me to do both legs at the same time.

And very interesting you posted this here NOW, since this very morning I absolutely decided I had to start doing this type thing on a regular basis! I had discovered the other night while lying there awake from 3am that I was actually NOT doing 'both sides at the same time' as I had thought I was for YEARS, on various types of movements I do in my 'remedial symmetry work by night.'

So, this morning in the light of day after having actually slept all night long, last night, straight through (YAY) I tried to do the Callanetics movements for abdomen tightening, and then the 'hips and thighs' movements extremely slowly with fierce concentration on exact timing of both sides at the same time.

BUT HOLD IT... What am I saying here... 'fierce concentration' yes I did say it, and I did do that...
Of course you are absolutely right to keep the fun and relaxed element in there, all-important!

"It’s incredibly fun to do this to music, and probably even facilitates the exercise."

I'll keep your words in mind for sure believe me, as I admit I am the too-perfectionistic, over-practicing, tense type, and that defeats the purpose of any kind of Sensory Motor Awareness or restoring programs.

I just remembered Callan mentioning in her voice-over, "Don't forget to do the other side, you don't want to be lop-sided!" Which as a symmetry nut I always found amusing since of course I want everything done on both sides equally, how could anyone neglect to do that?! (self-mockery here since as I said right above here in this post, I have discovered I've NOT been doing both sides AT THE SAME TIME per-zactly!)

Anyway, on the music topic, the Callanetics original VCR tape had the originator Callan Pinckney leading it, and had fabulously relaxing soft background music that was calming and restorative. Fortunately the re-copied DVD version kept it all pretty much as it had been and I do have that one so I'll drag it out and fire up the player I think.

By the way, Rite #6 is supposed to be 'for men only' and is an interesting discussion in that book edited by J. W. Watt...
 

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Nice!

I’m part of the YouTube generation, so I found this 20 minute video detailing out the rites,

A lot of these moves I’ve done before but haven’t seriously incorporated into my training. I just did a couple of them and felt how much more invigorated my body felt... Definitely good to do upon awaking so as to get the energy moving again after being so stagnate for the whole night.

These moves seem to be better done in a calm, relaxed atmosphere. When I posted about listening to music I usually do it in a dancing, energetic, emotive type of atmosphere, which pays less attention to technique and more attention to joy and happiness. Restorative in its own manner!
 

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Thanks! Great to see a video has been done on the 5 Rites!! The book says work up to 21 times of each one but I'm trying to regain my health and can only do 5 reps once a day. I see the video mentions 21 too, after working up to that over 10 weeks. It even mentions the Sixth Rite, amazing!

I've found that doing 'tree pose' from yoga a couple of seconds alleviates the dizziness from Rite#1 the spinning. (It also helps with dizziness from over-alcohol consumption, I've discovered in the past -- no alcohol tolerance here in my case! Dizzy and nauseated are the results of Me Plus Booze versus all my family members who can consume mass quantities with neither symptom.)

By the way Wilfrid Malleson (the progenitor one, born 1866, died 1946 in supposedly mysterious circumstances, not the son and whatever descendant relatives since, named the same name) was believed to be Colonel Bradford (pseudonym of Kelder's source of all this) -- Malleson's family has said it was him, and the Shangri-La story is related to this 'legend' -- but other mentions of British Intelligence in Afghanistan also crop up, very interesting...
 

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So much to say here but bullet points are the following (and note that I have worked the last 4-plus years on all this, a lot of it during the middle of the night in bed when I could not return to sleep after waking up at 3am):
My "Thyroid Meltdown Feb 2016" (see my other posts about that) brought numerous symmetry issues to the fore and it was like my attempts to fix thyroid issues made the symmetry issues start to 'fix themselves':
* Legs/ankles were first (childhood braces to try to 'correct' my turned-in ankles made me look more 'straight' but the overcorrection had forced me to jog with excessive supination for years);
* Knees became affected as legs began to become more symmetrical and evened-out;
* I worked on knees and hips as the results from prior levels traveled up and sciatic issues worsened;
Progress and improvement (utilizing a lot of dietary, Peat-inspired-thinking work by day and massage, stretching and various exercise regimes by night) proceeded to the midriff area ;
-- and although the ileocecal and pyloric valves are basically said to be right-side and a little off-center respectively, mine seemed to be way off to the sides and my ileocecal was much lower right-side almost on my back and the pyloric was high left side under ribs, so there seemed to be a disconnect big-time in their coordination and 'communication' so to speak (LIFELONG digestive IBS issues, big family thing too, everybody manifesting those on both sides of my family including all the histamine symptoms, with hypothyroid and autoimmune conditions abounding not to mention colds nonstop, allergies, etc.);
* Next came a rehash of the 7 years of orthodontia age 11-16 but without braces this time: teeth, jaw and tongue issues of longstanding nature cropped back up but this time I met the challenge with 'mewing' and similar information from this forum (thank goodness);
** THEN the real fun began where my EYES and BRAIN tried to get more symmetrical and evened-out; let's just say I've had lifelong issues along the vision front (no 3-D/ no depth perception and eye operations at age 5 or 6 made me look less 'cross-eyed' but I still had 'double vision') and the ultimate unbelievable realization so far was that I think my RIGHT SIDE was not really 'mapped' at all and basically did not exist as far as true perception / full use of it. (I am supposedly right-handed but left-hands and feet are larger and stronger, and I always used to doodle in elementary school using my left-hand and writing upside down and backward, etc.)

There are 'midbrain' and cross-body polarization work mentioned on certain specialist websites and it has helped me A LOT to do some of the exercises mentioned on those.

After all this: vast improvement on all fronts from bottom of feet to top of head and everything in between but it has been a physical struggle and a dietary revamp. I urge everybody who reads this to just literally physically touch/grab/tackle/whatever level -- and trust me those valves can take a lot of wrestling and need it! their own areas of concern and with the eyes shut, begin to get SMA Sensory Motor Awareness of what the issues are -- if self-healing gets going you all may find yourselves having to deal with all this -- I never expected 4 years doing all this!

All I wanted in February 2016 was some medical doctor to prescribe me some natural thyroid medication, and when that did not happen and I had to quit taking the horrible synthetic T-4, well, all the above ensued rapidly, but in the long run and in hindsight it's been worth it all.

The leg and facial symmetry are outwardly noticed as improved but more importantly I have become more internally symmetrical and it is amazing how that seems to help all the systems inside do their own thing in the proper way that only those systems really 'know how to do.'
I tried to find your Thyroid Meltdown post and couldn’t find it and it seems like your posts are limited to some viewers. You mentioned you wanted natural thyroid prescribed not synthetic T4. Did you eventually only work with natural thyroid? Was is it a glandular? And could you recommend the brand that has worked for you?
 

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My face sure looks alot like this woman - one nostril bigger than the other and the mouth kinda pulled back to the same side as the smaller nostril (the right side is the smaller/tighter one), like that whole side of the face is squished, I guess similar to Rachel Maddow's face too:


Below the video in the YouTube comments he writes: "This is present in 99% of all people with thyroid disorders. I have gone through hundreds of photos and found only one exception.".
That means almost everyone on this forum should have the same issue, I wonder if that's the case...

I have this too. It’s gotten worse after I had to have a molar extracted. I believe a lot as to do with your bite and posture and nervous system that kind of ingrains the asymmetrie even further.
 

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I tried to find your Thyroid Meltdown post and couldn’t find it and it seems like your posts are limited to some viewers. You mentioned you wanted natural thyroid prescribed not synthetic T4. Did you eventually only work with natural thyroid? Was is it a glandular? And could you recommend the brand that has worked for you?
Hello, @Ellycat11 welcome, seems you are a new member! I refer to my thyroid meltdown in various posts, but it is not a thread-starter / or title I used. Try the upper right magnifying glass-"Search" and do it by Member, that ought to work, to see my few posts come up listed, I don't block anybody from them as far as I know anyway, if it is a member doing the search.)

Anyhow, I take Haidut's Tyronene, which is superb, one drop per day (morning) and some of Tom Brimeyer's site's supplement called ForefrontHealth Thyroid Glandular Raw Desiccated Pristine New Zealand Bovine Thyroid 65 mg (1 capsule at bedtime).

T4 was not the thing for me, unfortunately, as it turned out, and even "Tirosint" was a disaster, and that's supposed to be the most pure NON-additive/bad fillers Rx available, per my board-certified endocrinologist who tried me on that in 2016. I believe that was what completely tipped me over into the thyroid meltdown, but anyway, I gave all the free unopened samples of THAT back to the MD, and went off to hack my own health to much better results thereafter!
 

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Hello, @Ellycat11 welcome, seems you are a new member! I refer to my thyroid meltdown in various posts, but it is not a thread-starter / or title I used. Try the upper right magnifying glass-"Search" and do it by Member, that ought to work, to see my few posts come up listed, I don't block anybody from them as far as I know anyway, if it is a member doing the search.)

Anyhow, I take Haidut's Tyronene, which is superb, one drop per day (morning) and some of Tom Brimeyer's site's supplement called ForefrontHealth Thyroid Glandular Raw Desiccated Pristine New Zealand Bovine Thyroid 65 mg (1 capsule at bedtime).

T4 was not the thing for me, unfortunately, as it turned out, and even "Tirosint" was a disaster, and that's supposed to be the most pure NON-additive/bad fillers Rx available, per my board-certified endocrinologist who tried me on that in 2016. I believe that was what completely tipped me over into the thyroid meltdown, but anyway, I gave all the free unopened samples of THAT back to the MD, and went off to hack my own health to much better results thereafter!
Thank you @JanW55, Im so new to the world of thyroid meds, I will be getting a thyroid panel done soon to see what is going on. I wonder why
Hello, @Ellycat11 welcome, seems you are a new member! I refer to my thyroid meltdown in various posts, but it is not a thread-starter / or title I used. Try the upper right magnifying glass-"Search" and do it by Member, that ought to work, to see my few posts come up listed, I don't block anybody from them as far as I know anyway, if it is a member doing the search.)

Anyhow, I take Haidut's Tyronene, which is superb, one drop per day (morning) and some of Tom Brimeyer's site's supplement called ForefrontHealth Thyroid Glandular Raw Desiccated Pristine New Zealand Bovine Thyroid 65 mg (1 capsule at bedtime).

T4 was not the thing for me, unfortunately, as it turned out, and even "Tirosint" was a disaster, and that's supposed to be the most pure NON-additive/bad fillers Rx available, per my board-certified endocrinologist who tried me on that in 2016. I believe that was what completely tipped me over into the thyroid meltdown, but anyway, I gave all the free unopened samples of THAT back to the MD, and went off to hack my own health to much better results thereafter
Thank you @JanW55 for the recs, I will be looking into Tyronene and this glandular you mentioned. After reading Haidut’s post on T4 mono therapy I’m hesitant about trying to get a prescription at this point. I’m still new to Peat and trying to piece all this metabolism information together but I’m certain my hypothyroidism is contributing to my inability to produce enough stomach acid, my digestion, my mood etc.

So does Peat recommend T3 over T4 as well? I thought he was also a fan of synthetic thyroid...maybe I’m thinking of someone else.
 
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I don’t know if I buy this claim. I think asymmetry is probably more associated with improper myofascial habits/ soft food diet during childhood. This will lead to misaligned bites in which deformities will build on itself as time goes on. Although, thyroid could aid in the process of proper jaw development due to increased carbon dioxide and its bone building effects
 
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Defects of methylation and neural tube. End.
 

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