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Excess Thyroid Increases Estrogen?

Discussion in 'Scientific Studies' started by docall18, Feb 4, 2016.

  1. Such_Saturation

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    :shifty: Or perhaps go read Ray Peat articles on "hyper"thyroidism... Also how the hell is

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    in any way related to thyroid supplementation?
     
  2. Brian

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    I personally haven't had much noticeable effect from lamps compared to outdoor sunlight, but it's definitely better than nothing.

    I've never used activated charcoal myself, but from what I know it's pretty well established that it helps with endotoxin.
     
  3. James_001

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    I don't think the biomarkers mean much, as I have personally tested with a low tsh despite clearly having hypo symptoms

    Some doctors think that a high pulse and low tsh is always hyperthyroidism, although this can happen in hypo as well...
     
  4. supernature

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    The regular thyroid biomarkers are not useful to tell hows the thyroid function as a whole, ok.
    You probably mean body temp, basal metabolic rate, perspiration, cortisol levels, but could all that be 100% valid marker of the thyroid function as its all connected and dependent of the function of other organs, systems?

    "Basal” body temperature is influenced by many things besides thyroid." - RP
    "The metabolic rate is very closely related to thyroid hormone function, but defining it and measuring it have to be done with awareness of its complexity." - RP
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    "An effective way to use supplements is to take a combination T4-T3 dose, e.g., 40 mcg of T4 and 10 mcg of T3 once a day, and to use a few mcg of T3 at other times in the day. Keeping a 14-day chart of pulse rate and temperature allows you to see whether the dose is producing the desired response. If the figures aren't increasing at all after a few days, the dose can be increased, until a gradual daily increment can be seen, moving toward the goal at the rate of about 1/14 per day" - RP


    You say docs are misdiagnosing some people, but whether they recognize one as hypo or hyper or the reasons why its thyroid is not functioning optimal they are just prescribing supplements- to fill the gap or to suppress, which is the regular approach of the mainstream medicine, i still cant see the difference.



    By this i assume you mean the inability to be deactivated triiodothyronine after its use from the body.
     
  5. Parsifal

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    So much different and confusing informations on thyroid out there. It seems like nobody really knows what is true.
     
  6. alfredborden

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    Estrogen receptors seem to be activated by hypoxia. Tissues that are more adept at metabolising thyroid correctly will start to filter out more oxygen from the blood, possibly creating hypoxia for other tissues. This may result in the sensitization of some tissues to estrogen. It also seems that hypoxia induces aromatase activity as well. This would explain the higher estrogen itself. Possible remedies might be frequent bag breathing, and sodium bicarbonate supplementation for a while before experimenting with thyroid so that the body can have more co2 in reserve so that it can deliver oxygen to tissues more uniformly and efficiently. This in turn might protect against thyroid induces tissue hypoxia.
     
  7. tara

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    This makes sense to me.

    Are you aware of any evidence for this, or is it just a guess? I would have thought that usually if some tissues are using more oxygen under the influence of increased thyroid, then they would also be producing more CO2. IIUC, this should improve general as well as local oxygen delivery, unless there is some specific lung dysfunction that prevents adequate oxygen uptake by blood.


    I think raising CO2 levels via bag-breathing etc is probably a good idea for many people. Baking soda may depend on other factors, too - sometimes helpful but not always.
     
  8. alfredborden

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    I dont see why bicarb could be a problem unless it is taken in excess, the reason that I proposed they might be beneficial to use together is because the bicarb may help the body retain more co2 since it would offset the blood acidifying effects which result in hyperventilation and loss of CO2.
     
  9. tara

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    Well yes, excess would be relevant.
    For people whose systems are already running overly alkaline, baking soda might not be a positive addition. There are a couple of people here who seem to have got into trouble with milk-alkali syndrome after supplementing significant calcium and baking soda. For people who are running too acid, baking soda might be more helpful. Or in the context of a bout of extreme exercise.
    There are probably other ways to modify the is pH balance too, such as with dietary alkaline minerals.
     
  10. alfredborden

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    Just to make sure, I am not a proponent of alkalizing the blood just for its own sake. My reasoning behind alkalizing it is so that it might be better at retaining CO2. Given that the body can convert bicarb into CO2 it seems to be a substance that lends itself more sensibly to be used for blood ph regulations. I also dont agree with Dr.Peats recommendation of high calcium consumption at the stage of speeding up a slow metabolism in the first place so in a situation like that I would ditch the calcium for a while.
     
  11. tara

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    I think it can have a positive effect as you say, that can involve higher CO2 levels.
    But not in all situations, because some people's systems are already too alkaline.
    I think the body generally does a good job of managing blood pH unless it is severely depleted of minerals. But the rest of the system can get quite out of balance before the blood pH goes off, and the rest of it is important too.
     
  12. James_001

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    Care to elaborate on the calcium part?
     
  13. alfredborden

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    Calcium requires adequate amounts of CO2 to be distributed appropriately. This is because vitamin K needs to be bound to calcium to exert its calcium regulating effects. So if your metabolism is slow and you dont produce enough CO2 than you will not be able to deal with calcium appropriately. This is my rationale.
     
  14. alfredborden

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    I mean bound to CO2
     
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    Is there an optimum time to take thyroid supplements?
     
  16. tara

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    If it has T3, I would think split into several doses through the day.
     
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    Not before bed.
     
  18. tara

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    I'm currently taking 4 small doses, last one right before bed. T3 has a short half-life.
    I think Peat has said that people can take T3 through the day and T3+T4 in the evening?
     
  19. James_001

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    So, high calcium would be okay in the context of co2 supplementation for someone with slow metabolism
     
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    IIRC he said that people can take T4 at night to keep TSH down through the night (when it's the most dangerous combined to other stress hormones rise).
     
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