Estrogenic Facial Edema VS Androgenic Facial Appearence And Structure

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  1. schultz

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    I was sort of thinking the same thing. Jake took the criticism well though.

    Camera distortion is also something to consider, especially if the pictures were taken with a wide angle lens not unlike those found on a cellphone. Something in the range of a full-frame 70-120mm could alter a person appearance quite a bit compared to a 30mm focal length . Also, if the head is a bit forward or the camera is on a bit of an angle, the head could look disproportionately bigger than the neck, or any other body part for that matter.

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  2. schultz

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    My wife says both of those necks are unattractive and that a 'normal' neck is the most attractive, lol.
     
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    Are u serious? Dude looks way different and way better. Look at the shirt off pics. Its like a night and day difference.

    Keep up the great work op. Thanks for posting.
     
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    I could be wrong but I still don't see it. In the shirt off picture I see a difference because he's letting his mouth droop in one and in the other he has his mouth closed : Importance Of Lip Seal In Facial Attractiveness

    But I also don't think any of the pictures look estrogenic in the face, I've seen it in others and he doesn't have it IMO
     
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    Join your local wrestling team for 1 year your neck will transform automatically... Believe me I see it all the time (I'm a wrestling coach)
     
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    So what im more so referring to is in the first picture where theres 2 on the left and one on the right you can clearly see on the left how much more puffy my face looks in regards to bloating and water retention where as in the picture on the right you can see more definition in my face and less bloating in the cheeks ill provide more pictures to maybe give a more clear example my face back then just used to almost look chubby even though i was never overweight and that was the water retention etc.
     
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    Basically an all fruit diet with dairy added in and occasional eggs, as close to fat free as i can get it, my main focus is keeping PUFA at around 0.5g or below 1g a day and keeping iron intake low and emphasizing on lots of sugar with no starch is the way i prefer to eat or way that i find gives me the best results
     
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    what are the reasons/benefits to doing sugars as primary carb source and avoiding starches? I thought starches are fine if cooked? Some say starches are more "anabolic" than the sugars and sugars are more likely to store as fat while starches are more likely to store as glycogen.
     
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    I need to ready thru this thread because I've had this puffy face problem for the last 10+ years. A lot of times I'm too scared to look at pictures of myself because of it (especially the right side of my face).
     
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    It could be estrogen, cortisol, histamine
     
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    I was looking at old blood serum labs and did the math on estrogen/progesterone ratio. It's definitely estrogen-dominance, especially given that my testosterone is always towards the bottom of the range.

    Puffy and bloated has been a strange look with my otherwise athletic physique.
     
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    You use fat soluble vitamins?
    Diet?
     
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    How is 0,5g PUFA or below eating mainly fruits possible? From what I know that's not achievable, if you are eating a reasonable amount of calories.
     
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    If your eating predominantly tropical fruits with no seeds in them its quite easy, most fruits that even have the smallest amount of PUFA such as 0.1 g usually have large amounts of vitamin E naturally in them, more than enough to counter the microscopic amount of PUFA in my opinion is the way i see it
     
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    Great process :thumbleft.

    I made a similar experience. Around 2014 before my "metabolic crash" I had a regular body with chubby cheeks.

    Then from the beginning of 2019 (extremely emaciated, start of peating) till now (regular body) I gained some lean muscle mass back without exercise and a healthy looking layer of fat, but my face stayed slim.
     
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