Estrogen Is Absolutely Critical For Men

[Sativa]

more generally speaking, I guess just ensure your liver chi/detoxification system is balanced ofc, as per the entire 5 element 'meridian' network...

 

[tankasnowgod]

Interested to know how you feel on exe.
It kills my joints and my mood

I started taking low dose EXE, 6.25mg a day. So far, no negative side effects. I am doing DHEA 10mg a day, divided doses, and 100mg Pregnenolone. Also to note, I take 10,000 IU of Vitamin D a day. It appears this helps AIs work better at lowering estrogen, and reducing the sides of joint and bone pain-

Vitamin D is anti-estrogenic where it's needed

Vitamin D regimen is effective in resolving bone pain related to aromatase-inhibitor therapy - Oncology Nurse Advisor

Vitamin D and aromatase inhibitor-induced musculoskeletal symptoms (AIMSS): a phase II, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized trial

 

[tankasnowgod]

No, I was asking for studies that support the theory that propionate or even T base is way less supressive than longer action T esters, in terms of how quickly can the natural T levels be recovered

Haidut mentioned some in this post on his website- Oral free/base (unesterified) testosterone is more effective and safer than synthetic AAS – To Extract Knowledge from Matter

There is also a thread here with a user having a good experience with base T as compared to ester forms.

 

[bdawg]

but pregnenolone is also able to increase your own synthesis of pregnenolone.

could you refer to the study please

 

[Hairlosssucks]

I'm careful with plastics and food etc where possible but I'd always assumed things were a little safer here than in the US?

hows the boron treating ya?

 

[Spartan300]

I'm only now really starting but will report back here.

Yesterday I made a solution from borax powder as recommended in the 'Nothing boring about boron' thread which should give me 3mg/day

 

[Lokzo]

could you refer to the study please

I would love to know how to reduce pregnenolone, after making a mistake by using 7.5mg orally. I feel like I am still not back to normal mentally. It really pushed me in the wrong direction.

 

[TheBeard]

I would love to know how to reduce pregnenolone, after making a mistake by using 7.5mg orally. I feel like I am still not back to normal mentally. It really pushed me in the wrong direction.

It's not like it triggered an eternal feed-forward loop that you won't escape from.
Just wait it out

 

[Lokzo]

It's not like it triggered an eternal feed-forward loop that you won't escape from.
Just wait it out

I'll be waitingggg.

One major thing I've learnt from that experience.

RESPECT THE F out of using hormones.
I didn't even need it.

I was just trying to find another way to replicate what Cypro does to me on the rebound.

 

[Hans]

I would love to know how to reduce pregnenolone, after making a mistake by using 7.5mg orally. I feel like I am still not back to normal mentally. It really pushed me in the wrong direction.

In what direction did it take you?

 

[Hairlosssucks]

I'm only now really starting but will report back here.

Yesterday I made a solution from borax powder as recommended in the 'Nothing boring about boron' thread which should give me 3mg/day

Just curious. Does your libido come back from a night of drinking?

 

[Spartan300]

Sometimes...... Not consistently

 

[Spartan300]

I'm more inclined to think that it can be attributed to a stress hormone lowering effect

 

[Hairlosssucks]

I'm more inclined to think that it can be attributed to a stress hormone lowering effect

Could be? Have you tested your cortisol or prolactin recently?

 

[Spartan300]

It's been quite some time since I had any blood tests but symptoms haven't changed much....

 

[Spartan300]

Cortisol was above ref on morning test previously

 

[Hairlosssucks]

Cortisol was above ref on morning test previously

Having any luck with anything?

 

[Spartan300]

Nothing conclusive yet. I'm hoping some stressful circumstances are now behind me & it remains to be seen how much of a difference this might make.

More calories & easier workouts seen to help. Sleep is very slightly improving which I think is due to the reduced stress. There's a lot of focus on B vits here lately & I'm trying some additional B1, B2, B3 & biotin. May be something in this but too early to tell.

I'm also having some Turkish dried apricots or ~3mg boron from borax solution/day since last week. Nothing really to report on that either. When things clicked for me previously it happened very quickly. I just remember going to bed one night after a good evening having friends over & knew when I got into bed that night I was going to sleep & I did. I fell asleep straight away & it was the deepest sleep I'd had for years. Felt 20 years younger the next morning. This lasted for around 4 days when I think I burst the bubble with a tougher gym workout.......

 

[Hairlosssucks]

Nothing conclusive yet. I'm hoping some stressful circumstances are now behind me & it remains to be seen how much of a difference this might make.

More calories & easier workouts seen to help. Sleep is very slightly improving which I think is due to the reduced stress. There's a lot of focus on B vits here lately & I'm trying some additional B1, B2, B3 & biotin. May be something in this but too early to tell.

I'm also having some Turkish dried apricots or ~3mg boron from borax solution/day since last week. Nothing really to report on that either. When things clicked for me previously it happened very quickly. I just remember going to bed one night after a good evening having friends over & knew when I got into bed that night I was going to sleep & I did. I fell asleep straight away & it was the deepest sleep I'd had for years. Felt 20 years younger the next morning. This lasted for around 4 days when I think I burst the bubble with a tougher gym workout.......

Damn, sounds like it’s time to rest easy on the gym if you feel like it’s halting your progress.

Do you reckon it was the boron or b vitamins or a combination of both that promoted that deep sleep?

 

[Spartan300]

I should have mentioned that the period when things 'clicked' and came good was 3 years ago and sadly I've not recaptured it since. I'd dropped the training intensity before that for a time & I've being doing the same since without success.

Life has been a lot more stressful over the last 3 years & I was certainly undereating for a good part of it. It feels like things are now slowly improving though.