EstroBan - Liquid Vitamin (K, A, D, E) Mix

[ddjd]

What is the ideal ratio of A to K, D, E ?

 

[Owen B]

I think that's possible about the estrogen. I remember Haidut writing about weightlifters who take a lot of AIs and end up with hypogonadism.

It's true. I underestimated this stuff. I thought it was going to be a kind of neutral maintenance thing. It's stronger than I thought.

I decided to go back to topical and cycle off it for awhile. I did notice increased libido with the topical. This all started with oral. I also used some topical Progestene for the first time in a while. I think it's already helped. I may have been low. It has an AI effect though too, but i think it's anabolic at low doses.

 

[Wagner83]

The past week I again took estroban, I noticed better morning wood, more energy and better mood (other things played a part of course). However I started having heart palpitations, I think I get them from kuinone and possibly low estrogens too, this is annoying not sure how to avoid that.

 

[Deleted member 5487]

It could, if it lowers estrogen or cortisol too much. But so far we have had these reports only from people using multiple doses daily.

This would explain my neck feels like hell last few days. However Sleep/libido are up, anxiety is down. Great supplement.

 

[Deleted member 5487]

Can it cause bone aches and joint discomfort ? Felt a bit cranky mentally

Your not alone. My neck creeks and hurts bad and I am young. However libido/Sleep benefits are incredible.

 

[Dante]

However I started having heart palpitations, I think I get them from kuinone and possibly low estrogens too, this is annoying not sure how to avoid that.

What about low serum calcium caused by k2?

 

[Wagner83]

What about low serum calcium caused by k2?

I doubt it as I get the palpitations almost instantly at 1mg , but who knows. @Travis posted about K2 interfering with Coq10 and that in itself could give issues and palpitations, apparently there are other people who experienced similar issues but I did not check. I think I'll try the other fat soluble vitamins without the K2.

 

[haidut]

K2 interfering with Coq10

K2 can substitute for CoQ10 fully but I have not seen anything about it actually interfering with CoQ10. Can you find that post/link please?

 

[Wagner83]

K2 can substitute for CoQ10 fully but I have not seen anything about it actually interfering with CoQ10. Can you find that post/link please?

Here is where I found other people who noticed palpitations from K2 and Travis' posts K2 Causing Heart Palpitations He mentioned it here as well: Should I Worried About Tolerable Upper Limits Of Vitamins?
@Travis

 

[ddjd]

Vitamin A - 5,000 IU
Vitamin D - 2,000 IU
Vitamin E - 65mg (100 IU)
Vitamin K2 (MK-4) - 2mg

I thought the ratio of vitamin A to D should be 10:1?

 

[ddjd]

This would explain my neck feels like hell last few days. However Sleep/libido are up, anxiety is down. Great supplement.

Did you work out what caused the neck problem

 

[Deleted member 5487]

Did you work out what caused the neck problem

Just a lowering of cortisol and estrogen I believe. Haidut mentioned it a few times here. It's probably been elevated for years becuase of football and neck injury.

 

[Frankdee20]

I thought the ratio of vitamin A to D should be 10:1?

Is it really? Even for D deficiency?

 

[ddjd]

Just a lowering of cortisol and estrogen I believe. Haidut mentioned it a few times here. It's probably been elevated for years becuase of football and neck injury.

I get upper back and neck ache every time I take vitamin a acetate. Maybe it's a cortisol issue also

 

[haidut]

I thought the ratio of vitamin A to D should be 10:1?

There are various studies on this but the mot often mentioned ratio is i the range 4:1 to 8:1.

 

[Frankdee20]

There are various studies on this but the mot often mentioned ratio is i the range 4:1 to 8:1.

Since it's much easier to obtain carotenoids in the diet for me, and assuming I have decent conversion, can these foods help get to that ratio ? I am low D3 though.

 

[haidut]

Here is where I found other people who noticed palpitations from K2 and Travis' posts K2 Causing Heart Palpitations He mentioned it here as well: Should I Worried About Tolerable Upper Limits Of Vitamins?
@Travis

It is much more likely to be related to calcium metabolism then to CoQ10 "depletion".

 

[Wagner83]

It is much more likely to be related to calcium metabolism then to CoQ10 "depletion".

So what would that mean? Lack of calcium in the diet?

 

[Frankdee20]

Maybe Calcium homeostasis involving Parathyroid.

 

[haidut]

So what would that mean? Lack of calcium in the diet?

No, I meant temporary drop in blood calcium due to higher K2 dose. I think K2 and D should be used together to minimize that risk.