EstroBan - Liquid Vitamin (K, A, D, E) Mix

Would you buy custom, liquid suplement with the 4 fat-soluble vitamins (K2, A, D, E)?

  • No

    Votes: 14 3.7%
  • Only if it costs less than $50 for 30 days supply

    Votes: 36 9.5%
  • Only if it costs less than $40 for 30 days supply

    Votes: 31 8.2%
  • Only if it costs less than $30 for 30 days supply

    Votes: 105 27.8%
  • Only if it costs less than $20 for 30 days supply

    Votes: 111 29.4%
  • Only if it costs less than $10 for 30 days supply

    Votes: 81 21.4%

  • Total voters
    378

Jsaute21

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Not to stir the pot, but i keep being told on this forum not to have K2 and E at the same time. I felt completely fine, when i did however. But due to deferring to many of you in terms of knowledge on the topic, i have switched it up. (Also feel fine). I would prefer to take them at the same time for logistical purposes. Like taking my supps with my first meal opposed to splitting them up. Any thoughts on this @haidut @DaveFoster @Such_Saturation @Wagner83 @Orion
 
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Not to stir the pot, but i keep being told on this forum not to have K2 and E at the same time. I felt completely fine, when i did however. But due to deferring to many of you in terms of knowledge on the topic, i have switched it up. (Also feel fine). I would prefer to take them at the same time for logistical purposes. Like taking my supps with my first meal opposed to splitting them up. Any thoughts on this @haidut @DaveFoster @Such_Saturation @Wagner83 @Orion

If you read through the EstroBan thread you will see this addressed.
 

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Right from what I remember in the doses contained in estroban both vitamins do not compete with each other and may be synergestic, the problem arises when vitmain E reaches a certain point which is equivalent to a few servings of estroban , you'll have to dig that one up though !
 
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The studies show that in doses of under 800 IU daily vitamin E does not have much effect on vitamin K2 status or its absorption/transport. I think there is a study showing that a human equivalent dose of 1,500mg tocopherols did not affect MK-4 levels in liver of rats even though it did affect coagulation time and thus vitamin K1 status. In the doses used in EstroBan the two vitamins are likely synergistic. Some people reported blood results showing high vitamin K and E levels after 1 month on EstroBan, so at least we know the two vitamins do not affect each other's absorption much in the doses used in EstroBan.

Got it...
 

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My Tocovit is at home (Im at work so i forget what the serving of Vit E is). I will check once i get home.
 

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I felt excellent this morning (voice, libido, erection, feeling compeltely relaxed), yesterday I had done 8 drops in the morning and 6 drops in the evening , both orally. I slept better too, and it's not the first time I notice a hefty dose of spinach and spinach juice at night is very beneficial.
The same happened on Friday and part of Saturday, my experience with lots of spinach and spinach juice for dinner, estroban twice a day (6-8drops) and a couple of white button mushrooms with eggs has been consistent the few days I stuck with it. I ate like crap on Saturday and Sunday(including not eating spinach and white button mushrooms ) and sure thing voice depth is gone . Libido is still better and erections are quality, ability to get stressed and anxious is up , I also don't have this relaxed , chilled feel I had in my body.
 
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Libido and erections are still going strong. I feel good overall, however depth of voice has not returned for now, I wonder why , it sure feels like the next step in well being. I have started eating spinach and wbm again, either it was those and estroban effects building up over time to release the deeper voice , or something else prevents me from achieving this voice again (daily rice and dht among other things).
Hair loss has not improved at all.
I'm still doing two doses daily.
 

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Yesterday for the first time in a long while I felt like real crap (despite estroban), like my good old former self, there could have been many reasons for this which outpowered estroban (lactose, too much porn , not eating enough etc..). I took 3 doses , the last one was topical and I woke up feeling real good (energy, libido), I'm going to apply it topically until the end of the trial (which is a few days away). It's too expensive at 2 doses a day, but maybe over time one dose would produce the same results if it the vitamins levels inside the body do build up.
Deeper voice has not returned (might have to do with porn as well).
 

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Yesterday for the first time in a long while I felt like real crap (despite estroban), like my good old former self, there could have been many reasons for this which outpowered estroban (lactose, too much porn , not eating enough etc..). I took 3 doses , the last one was topical and I woke up feeling real good (energy, libido), I'm going to apply it topically until the end of the trial (which is a few days away). It's too expensive at 2 doses a day, but maybe over time one dose would produce the same results if it the vitamins levels inside the body do build up.
Deeper voice has not returned (might have to do with porn as well).

Have you considered making your own dedicated log in the testimonials section?
 

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I did not think about making a log in the testimonials section, it may be a bit late as there was some back and forth discussion but I like your suggestion. I will definitely keep the log idea in mind for the other supplements.
 
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So I'm reaching the end of my first estroban bottle , I used it for about a fortnight but also played with diet (more sugar and fruits, lactose free milk (protein), and less starch).

My experience has been positive, I enjoyed a much higher libido, more energy (still with ups and downs that I attribute to food). At the end of the first week I was noticing a deeper voice , erections were excellent and (looked bigger to me) , the few times I ejaculated I did not experience the usual important drop in energy , however I did not do it often. The week end at the end of the first week I forgot to take estroban for 1 or 2 days, but also ate pizza/pasta/macdonald's and on sunday deeper voice was gone. I thought spinach, spinach juice , white button mushrooms and estroban were the reasons behind reaching my full vocal potential, but a week later I have not been able to achieve it despite trying my best. Erections are not as stellar as they were but still nice , libido is still up and was teenager-like until the last couple of days.

I wonder if it's possible my last few doses of estroban were mostly olive oil rather than vitamins ? I never shook the bottle, I carried it with me but the liquid was not exposed to sunlight except when I took my dose (I know vit k is light sensitive).
At the moment my appetite is way up (intestinal worm? :bored:) .

I ordered some more and may continue to experiment with it rather than jump on dmso based supplements (for now).
 
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So I'm reaching the end of my first estroban bottle , I used it for about a fortnight but also played with diet (more sugar and fruits, lactose free milk (protein), and less starch).

My experience has been positive, I enjoyed a much higher libido, more energy (still with ups and downs that I attribute to food). At the end of the first week I was noticing a deeper voice , erections were excellent and (looked bigger to me) , the few times I ejaculated I did not experience the usual important drop in energy , however I did not do it often. The week end at the end of the first week I forgot to take estroban for 1 or 2 days, but also ate pizza/pasta/macdonald's and on sunday deeper voice was gone. I thought spinach, spinach juice , white button mushrooms and estroban were the reasons behind reaching my full vocal potential, but a week later I have not been able to achieve it despite trying my best. Erections are not as stellar as they were but still nice , libido is still up and was teenager-like until the last couple of days.

I wonder if it's possible my last few doses of estroban were mostly olive oil rather than vitamins ? I never shook the bottle, I carried it with me but the liquid was not exposed to sunlight except when I took my dose (I know vit k is light sensitive).
At the moment my appetite is way up (intestinal worm? :bored:) .

I ordered some more and may continue to experiment with it rather than jump on dmso based supplements (for now).

Thanks for the extensive reviews. The ingredients in EstroBan do NOT precipitate or separate. Once dissolved, they stay as uniform liquid. Also, there is no olive oil any more, we now use only MCT as a solvent.
 

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Ok thanks, good to know!
I'll update this thread if I find out what sort of disrupted the build up of benefits (e.g. deeper voice).
 
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Would be helpful if each supplement from Idealabs had a short blurb about the recommended method of ingestion (usually "oral" or "dermal"). Some would also call for "dilution." It just helps when you're in a hurry or giving the supplements to friends.
Thanks.
 

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I have some mild acne/red pigmentation from acne on my cheeks and throat. Do you think it will make it worse or better if I apply estroban in that area? Also where do I store estroban, cold or warm place?
 

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I heard a podcast of Ray mentioning how certain vitamins can interact with each other to form something harmful rather than helpful, one of the things he mentioned was vitamin E + vitamin C, which increases risks of cataracts issues and becomes pro oxidant (in Peat's meaning of the word). So taking estroban/tocovit away from orange juice may be best.
 
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Would be helpful if each supplement from Idealabs had a short blurb about the recommended method of ingestion (usually "oral" or "dermal"). Some would also call for "dilution." It just helps when you're in a hurry or giving the supplements to friends.
Thanks.

We currently only can market them for topical use. The oral use is something users decide to do at their own risk and we do not endorse it.
 

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@haidut Previously in an interview, Ray Peat stated that vitamin E and vitamin K has some reaction, that's why they should not be taken at the same time. Is this the case for oral or topical supplementation? If so are you going to create separate products?
 
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@haidut Previously in an interview, Ray Peat stated that vitamin E and vitamin K has some reaction, that's why they should not be taken at the same time. Is this the case for oral or topical supplementation? If so are you going to create separate products?

In small doses it is OK to mix them. When you eat liver you are ingesting all 4 fat soluble vitamins together, and that does not cause any issues. The main issue is vitamin E inactivating K or inhibiting its absorption, neither one of which seems to happen at lower doses.
 

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Hey @haidut, sorry if it's been mentioned in the (looong) thread, but did you change the formulation of Estroban? Unless it's a misprint, the label now says 6,000IU A, 2,000IU D (instead of 5,000IU and 1,000IU). E and K are the same at 65mg and 2mg, respectively.

If it has been changed, I prefer this formulation, because I find I always manage to get a few thousand IUs of A, but rarely get enough D, so this way my ratio of A to D works out better.
 

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