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Enhancing Motivation And Overcoming "Learned Helplessness"

Discussion in 'Mind, Sleep, Stress' started by Ray-Z, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. Ray-Z

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    When you are sick, stressed, and hypothyroid, it can be difficult to muster the motivation for routine tasks, much less for long term projects like pursuing a degree, developing a new skill, assuming new responsibilities at work or at home, improving relations with loved ones, or repairing your body.

    This thread will discuss some Peaty methods for enhancing motivation, which for many people will entail overcoming "learned helplessness."

    In the words of psychologist Martin Seligman, learned helplessness is "the giving-up reaction, the quitting response that follows from the belief that whatever you do doesn't matter" (Seligman, Learned Optimism, p. 15). One of the papers cited in Peat's article, "Intelligence and Metabolism," calls learned helplessness "a behavioral depression caused by exposure to inescapable stress."

    Here are Peat's thoughts about the origins of learned helplessness:

    ("Serotonin, Depression, and Aggression: The Problem of Brain Energy")

    ("Intelligence and Metabolism")


    Peat mentions coffee, LSD, and anti-opiates as possible remedies for learned helplessness.

    ("Caffeine: A Vitamin-Like Nutrient, or Adaptogen")

    ("Intuitive Knowledge and Its Development")

    ("Intuitive Knowledge and Its Development")

    In the fibromyalgia thread, Birdie said that she thinks low dose naltrexone (another anti-opiate) helps with learned helplessness. (Birdie: Please jump in if I'm misquoting you.)

    Given serotonin's important role in promoting learned helplessness, I would be remiss if I did not include a link to the thoroughly fabulous thread on serotonin removal:

    viewtopic.php?f=10&t=249

    OK, my coffee just wore off, so I'll stop now. :mrgreen:


    Relevant articles by Ray Peat include the following:
    "Serotonin, Depression, and Aggression: The Problem of Brain Energy" (http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/seratonin.shtml)
    "Intelligence and Metabolism" (http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/intelligence.shtml)
    "Intuitive Knowledge and Its Development" (http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/in ... edge.shtml)
    "Caffeine: A Vitamin-Like Nutrient, or Adaptogen" (http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml)
     
  2. charlie

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    Re: Enhancing Motivation and Overcoming "Learned Helplessnes

    Ray-Z, excellent post. As I read this, sometimes I feel like I am reading about me. Have a doctors appointment in a couple weeks and hopefully I can get him to test my serotonin.

    Depressing, that something potentially so good for you, LSD, is huge trouble if you get caught with it. :banghead
     
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    What exactly does Ray mean by this. Thinking about this comment it seems odd. Residue?

    Also, Lisuride is basically LSD, it has been changed only slightly, chemically, so it was patentable and is in small doses in the tablet so it doesn't cause a "Trip". It is claimed that it would not cause a trip but that's not true - Take enough and it has the same effect as LSD itself. Im just guessing, but I bet that's why its harder to get hold of now as a drug, as "Party" people probably worked out that it had the same effect and started buying and popping lots of it "Legally".

    Bromocriptine is very similar and was also developed from the work on LSD and has the same effect on serotonin and prolactin. They call it a "Dopamine agonist" as they cant be seen to say its a serotonin and prolactin antagonist.

    If your doctor is open minded he might be persuaded to use bromocriptine after seeing high serotonin and prolactin levels. There is tons of research showing how effective it is at correcting hyperprolactinaemia and loweing serotonin levels.
     
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    I think he is open minded. We shall see.
     
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    Re: Enhancing Motivation and Overcoming "Learned Helplessnes

    Yes, excellent post, Ray-Z.

    I had made up a similar list of quotes to use as a reminder/reference. The quote you started things off with is at the top of the list.
    Here's a few more to throw into the mix. I'm positive that some of these are also in the serotonin removal thread. If you are anything like me, repeated exposure to these ideas will help you to implant them in your cranium. :)

    "Thyroid, insomnia, and the insanities: Commonalities in disease"

    "Thyroid, insomnia, and the insanities: Commonalities in disease"

    "Tryptophan, serotonin, and aging"

    "Tryptophan, serotonin, and aging"


    http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/th ... ties.shtml
    http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/trypt ... ging.shtml
     
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    Re: Enhancing Motivation and Overcoming "Learned Helplessnes

    And anything you might find on the streets, you wouldn't want to take anyway, because you don't know what the f#%k is in it.
     
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    Well, I wasn't going to go on the streets and get it. You can get in on line these days. :lol: I am kidding, I wouldn't order in on line.

    I was just saying, that it could potentially help a lot of people, but, I did not realize as kettlebell wrote above, that they basically made the same thing but without the tripping effects.
     
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    http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/cancer/medic ... lodel.html

    This is one of the listed side effects of Bromocriptine usage.

    Thought I would share as it made me laugh. I love the word "Hypersexuality" Makes it sound like some sort of superhero ability.
     
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    Sign me up! :rolling
     
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    I didn't mean you, Charlie. This is what I should have written:
    And anything that one might find on the streets, one wouldn't want to take anyway, because one doesn't know what the f#%k is in it.

    :mrgreen:
     
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    And here I thought you were looking out for me. :cry:

    On a serious note, great info and quotes you added above Rachel. Thank you!
     
  12. ratcheer

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    Ditto on that - great info and thanks for putting it together, Rachel.

    I've been really interested in addressing the 'learned helplessness' thing pretty much from the beginning. Really my overall health has been pretty good (except for damage caused by low-carb dieting - ouch). My issues were always around attention, focus, energy, motivation - and this concept of learned helplessness has been a really interesting angle on the whole thing.

    For me it even has a spiritual aspect - not only around areas of "meaning" but also how do I manifest changes in the world both for myself and others? How do I help change the world? If I'm sitting in the corner with no 'stick to bite' (hahaha) I'm not going to be helping anybody very much!
     
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    Re: Enhancing Motivation and Overcoming "Learned Helplessnes

    Thank you, Charlie. I hope some of this information proves useful. :mrgreen:

    Kettlebell and Rachel: Terrific contributions. Thank you. :thankyou

    When you are hypersexual, a bunch of Rick James impersonators follow you everywhere you go, singing "Superfreak."

    By the way, I've invented a cure for hypersexuality. It's called the low-carb diet. [Rimshot.]

    Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. Try the oxtail soup, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
     
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    :lol:

    Don't thank me Ray-Z! You are responsible for this threads "Hyper" usefulness and for that I thank you.
     
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    Re: Enhancing Motivation and Overcoming "Learned Helplessnes

    From the same article quoted earlier in the thread, but with a bit more...

    "The amazing speed with which young animals can solve problems is undoubtedly a reflection of their metabolic vigor, and it is probably partly because they haven't yet experienced the paralysis that can result from repeated or prolonged and inescapable stress. Many of the factors responsible for the metabolic intensity of youth can be used therapeutically, even after dullness has developed. The right balance of amino acids and carbohydrates, and the avoidance of the antimetabolic unsaturated fatty acids, can make a great difference in mental functioning, even though we still don't know what the ideal formulas are."

    ...whenever I've read this, I always pause at that word "paralysis."
    Peat doesn't say "depression."
    I suppose they could be interchanged, and the Peat might even regard them as interchangeable.

    But, personally, the word "paralysis" grabs me,
    because I've seldom assessed myself as "depressed" in a clinical sense.
    But "paralyzed"...
    ...sometimes I've felt that way.
    I've seldom experienced a prolonged sense of being overcome with grief and sadness and pain and tears,
    or wanting to kill myself,
    as would be associated with serious clinical depression...

    ...but I have sometimes felt "paralyzed,"
    not in a physical sense,
    but psychologically and emotionally--
    extremely inert, almost unable to put one foot in front of the other
    toward goals.
    I guess it could also be described as a state of seeking shelter, withdrawing.
    I've had some spells of that sort of thing.

    Perhaps these are just different, milder degrees of what is commonly diagnosed as depression.

    Another thing I've wondered about, apropos this thread, is:
    after we do get to a better place physically,
    in terms of metabolism, and in other Peatian biological ways...
    ...I wonder if we might almost need to sortuv "retrain" ourselves
    by using certain exercises that have been touched on in other threads,
    creative exercises--
    the drawing on the right side of the brain creativity exercises,
    movement exercises Peat has mentioned like QiJong and Tai Chi...

    In other words: we tend to focus here so much upon the dietary and biological side of Peat.
    I've wondered whether that can only carry us so far.
    Maybe that's just the foundation
    and we need to challenge ourself with creative exercises
    in order to sortuv activate the physical/biological potential.

    Or maybe I'm separating mind and body too much here.
    Maybe as the body becomes more healthy,
    so to will the mind....
     
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    Yes! Quoted for so much truth. :goodpost

    I have started that part of my journey just recently. :D
     
  17. j.

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    "sortuv"?
     
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    Maybe he was trying to be gentle? :confused
     
  19. j.

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    I wouldn't want to push myself to do intellectually creative things. I've been productive in that aspect I'd say most on my life and the desire most often just came naturally.
     
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    About my post above--on "paralysis"...

    Another way to see the same set of symptoms
    might be "torpor."
    Peat uses that word to describe one prominent biological result of PUFA toxicity.
    By "torpor' he means to connect to the idea of hibernation,
    which many animals do, "helped" by their high PUFA consumption.
     
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