Take Cyproheptadine or wellbutrin before orgasm.
Could an OTC antihistamine like claritin work, just to experiment?
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Take Cyproheptadine or wellbutrin before orgasm.
No it's a prolactin issue.Could an OTC antihistamine like claritin work, just to experiment?
No it's a prolactin issue.
I'm a licensed clinical herbalist so I know a lot about the herbs you describe. There may be something to what you're saying because up until recently I was taking DHEA and pregnenolone, and I found that I did not really have POIS symptoms as much. I would be groggy the next day but within a few hours I'd be fine. Because they were causing male pattern baldness, I had to stop taking them. Now it seems like the POIS is back full on.
I found a POIS forum online and some people seem to think it's a vagus nerve disorder, brought on by inflammation. I don't know what to think yet, my research is just beginning. I have been able to ignore this POIS-like problem for a long time but now it's at the point where it's really ruining my life.
If supplementing androgens or B5 (the post above) works, then it suggests that I am merely antagonizing prolactin, and prolactin is the actual problem. If that's true, then why does my blood work not show high prolactin? If it's a prolactin issue, then something like cabergoline should work. But I'm wary of the long-term effects of taking a dopamine agonist.
My thyroid and AM cortisol are normal, btw... had the full panel done a month ago.
Cyproheptadine is a strong PRL inhibitor.Then why recommend Cyproheptadine, which is an antihistamine?
I understand the Wellbutrin idea, since it's a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.
My prolactin levels are normal, although they spike after ejaculation like anybody's does. I did happen to get prolactin blood work done once a night after having sex, and it was out of normal range. I go to the gym 3 times a week and am on the muscular side. My diet is pretty solid. I'm not a body builder but my weight is very normal.
Zinc and vitamin B6 P-5'-P are associated with lower prolactin. I wrote B5 in my previous post, but it's B6.Thanks everyone... I will reply in more detail later.
Upon further thought, I think this is a prolactin issue. The reason is that non-ejaculatory sexual stimulation does not cause any symptoms, only ejaculation does. The difference is prolactin. Maybe my body dumps too much prolactin after an orgasm, or maybe I am hypersensitive to my own prolactin. Or maybe my liver doesn't process hormones well. I know that my refractory period is about 60-120 minutes (i.e. if I wanted to have sex a second time), and the second round will see a less firm erection. But if I go a second round, then the next day I will basically be disabled and non-functional from brain fog.
In which case my research should look at how to reduce prolactin: calcium, B5, L-tyrosine (to support dopamine)... what else?
My semen is not watery. I mean, it depends on my hydration status, but in general it's not. The consistency seems fairly normal.
I don't seem to suffer from a semen or sperm production issue. It's more related to the refractory period somehow. My blood prolactin is in the middle range of normal. The one time I had my blood tested 8 hours after having sex, it was out of normal range on the high end. Normal range ended at 28, and mine was 36. This was 8 hours after sex.
So my questions are:
- how do you minimize the amount of prolactin released?
- how do you speed up the breakdown of prolactin already in circulation? (reduce the half-life)
- what health problems or nutrient deficiencies are related to too much prolactin? (ignoring a prolactimona, which is a pituitary tumor)
Zinc and vitamin B6 P-5'-P are associated with lower prolactin. I wrote B5 in my previous post, but it's B6.
Inflammation, estrogen, and TRH are a few things that increase prolactin.
up until recently I was taking DHEA and pregnenolone, and I found that I did not really have POIS symptoms as much. I would be groggy the next day but within a few hours I'd be fine. Because they were causing male pattern baldness, I had to stop taking them. Now it seems like the POIS is back full on.
I've been dealing with this for about 4-5 years now, with gradual onset. If I ejaculate at all, whether it's once every two weeks, or once a day for 3 days, I am totally brain dead and exhausted. I can't think, can barely wake up in the morning, my cognitive function gets very low, all I want to do is sleep, my body is sore, and I just generally feel unwell.
After years of dealing with this, it's really bad now. A couple of days ago I had a nocturnal emission while I was asleep, and then I couldn't get up for work in the morning. I had to call in sick. I'm only in my early 30's so this can't be normal.
My prolactin levels are normal, although they spike after ejaculation like anybody's does. I did happen to get prolactin blood work done once a night after having sex, and it was out of normal range. I go to the gym 3 times a week and am on the muscular side. My diet is pretty solid. I'm not a body builder but my weight is very normal.
I've started dating someone now and our sex life is starting up, but I don't know how I'm going to be able to keep up with this person. It's not like I'm a sex addict... but it seems like even ejaculating once every couple of weeks totally ruins me. My sex drive is 100% in tact, so this has been torture. Yesterday evening we had sex and this morning at work I can barely keep my eyes open. That was about 18 hours ago now.
I've tried nofap but it doesn't work. The longest I went was 60 days without ejaculating, and even at that point when I finally did, it debilitated me. Please don't tell me to just avoid ejaculating forever, that's not the solution. It's normal for someone my age to be doing it, at least sometimes.
I don't understand WTF is going on or what to do. I saw an endocrinologist but she seemed fairly sexist and didn't take my problem very seriously. She kind of just shrugged it off and said, "Well, it's normal for men to feel tired after ejaculation. That's why a lot of men do it at night time, to help them with sleep." She was kind of a moron, to be honest. If I ejaculate at bed time, my alarm clock may not wake me up!
What it almost feels like is that I need a stimulant, but I don't want to take one. The brain fog is very intense. I don't know if this gives another clue, but usually I am initially OK after ejaculation. It's when I go to sleep and then wake up that I'm wrecked. I could ejaculate at 3 in the afternoon and not feel wrecked until waking up the next morning.
So yeah... I don't get it, or what to do about it, but this is really taxing on my life. Sometimes it's so frustrating that I just want to get castrated. (I don't really mean that, but that's how bad it's gotten.) I've read online that some people take cabergoline, but that's specifically for prolactin excess, and I'm not sure if that's my problem.
Any other ideas on how to overcome this? I know it's normal for men to be less virile as they age but this is getting ridiculous.
I would get testosterone tested. DHEA, horny goat weed and zinc can improve things but testosterone is king. Also try to get some sunlight on your testicles., it works better then red light.