Ejaculation Pro-Metabolic, NoFap Retention Unnatural

[damngoodcoffee]

I would argue that there is a difference between lust and what you are used to. Most of your "urges" are nothing more than routine pleasures. Similar to playing games

I am very aware of the fact that obsessively beating your meat and trying to force an ejaculation with your penis hurting, without truly feeling aroused and desiring ejaculation is everything but listening to your body's signals. Crazy af. Never understood that when friends told me that they've ejaculated like 5 times in day or so.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZSe2BZCNKc

 

[OccamzRazer]

Semen retention and NoFap pursuits are unnatural mechanisms of dealing with a hypothyroid state that cannot handle the energetic demands of orgasm

IMO generalizations like this aren't all that helpful.

While many people on NoFap are indeed experiencing 'success' because they're hypo/low T/low prog/etc, that's not the case for everyone.

Personally I always felt great after orgasm.

Now, doing semen retention AND sexual transmutation (<this part is critical!), I feel even better.

SR is also great for teaching you how to have multiple orgasms, essentially separating orgasm from ejaculation.

 

[OccamzRazer]

You can have sex with pretty womenz and still do semen retention!

The key is to separate orgasm from ejaculation through deep breathing and self-control. Sexual transmutation exercises help a ton with this!

Once you've learned to separate them, experiencing multiple orgasms (as a man lol) becomes pretty easy.

Wish this was taught to us at age 14 or something, but oh well...

 

[OccamzRazer]

Increasing metabolic requirements does not equate to being pro-metabolic.

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Exactly. Exercise also raises metabolic requirements, but it's almost never pro-metabolic.

 

[RenaissanceMan]

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Exactly. Exercise also raises metabolic requirements, but it's almost never pro-metabolic.

Modern exercise done for the sake of improvement is not pro-metabolic because it is vain
It all goes back to enjoying what you're doing and being playful like we were as kids, and when that's in place any form of exercise becomes pro-metabolic

SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE:

Celibacy/retention is inherently stressful on the body

If we consider Hans Selye's perspective on stress, then an organism unable to reproduce is also going to have higher cortisol and adrenaline which will decrease thyroid function over time

Insomnia is inevitable once you reach a certain day count of semen retention

There's something to be said about pursuing meaningful relationships and not being involved in hookup culture, I definitely agree with that

But love/sex is very pro-metabolic, and contrary to what many believe, we are UNDERSEXUALIZED as a culture

We have unsatisfactory mechanisms of dealing with our sexuality such as porn, masturbation, and purposeless dating

So guys turn to spirituality, NoFap, semen retention, as a coping mechanism to deal with a lack of fulfilling options

The benefits are a myth

You can get the supposed benefits and more by taking thyroid and boosting metabolism, which will increase testosterone and other pregnenolone, etc.

 

[RenaissanceMan]

And yes I think it's abnormal to ejaculate more than twice per day. Ideally every other day or once per day you should blow your load.

Beyond that point it's an addiction and clear coping mechanism, and goes from therapeutic to stressful

Porn is a trap, I agree. Instant gratification and u don't have the fear of being rejected

But I will say it again: Sex and ejaculation after pursuing/approaching a girl and building a relationship is very pro-metabolic

 

[opethfeldt]

NoFap is definitely very Anti-Peat, viewing the signals your body is telling you as some demonic traps trying to lead you astray, instead of them being corrective instructions guiding you towards wholeness.

Most of the time, people fap not because they're actually horny but rather because they're bored and seeking a hit of dopamine. It's no different from a drug and perhaps just as harmful, in my opinion.

 

[OccamzRazer]

Modern exercise done for the sake of improvement is not pro-metabolic because it is vain
It all goes back to enjoying what you're doing and being playful like we were as kids, and when that's in place any form of exercise becomes pro-metabolic

SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE:

Celibacy/retention is inherently stressful on the body

If we consider Hans Selye's perspective on stress, then an organism unable to reproduce is also going to have higher cortisol and adrenaline which will decrease thyroid function over time

Insomnia is inevitable once you reach a certain day count of semen retention

There's something to be said about pursuing meaningful relationships and not being involved in hookup culture, I definitely agree with that

But love/sex is very pro-metabolic, and contrary to what many believe, we are UNDERSEXUALIZED as a culture

We have unsatisfactory mechanisms of dealing with our sexuality such as porn, masturbation, and purposeless dating

So guys turn to spirituality, NoFap, semen retention, as a coping mechanism to deal with a lack of fulfilling options

The benefits are a myth

You can get the supposed benefits and more by taking thyroid and boosting metabolism, which will increase testosterone and other pregnenolone, etc.

Brother I actually agree with you on a lot of this! The framework you've developed here explains your experiences pretty well. Culturally speaking, we are indeed sexually stifled, at least when it comes to the actual act.

To say the benefits of SR are a myth, however, goes into a realm all humans seem to fall into: using one's personal experiences to extrapolate concept XYZ to everybody.

Such generalizations can be countered by anyone who's had other types of experiences.

For example, I was in a very loving marriage with great s*x for 4 years.

These days I take NDT and plenty of cholesterol for the steroid precursors.

And I still feel better doing sexual transmutation today than I ever did then.

Anyways, your experience is valid and probably applies to many, many other people. Do you think my experience is valid, too?

 

[OccamzRazer]

@RenaissanceMan

Also agree with you that a loving, sexually free relationship is the spiritual/metabolic ideal in many cases.

But could some period of SR be a springboard towards this, in the sense that it frees a guy's mind from pron and lust enough for him to pursue what really matters?

 

[AndrogenicJB]

Brother I actually agree with you on a lot of this! The framework you've developed here explains your experiences pretty well. Culturally speaking, we are indeed sexually stifled, at least when it comes to the actual act.

To say the benefits of SR are a myth, however, goes into a realm all humans seem to fall into: using one's personal experiences to extrapolate concept XYZ to everybody.

Such generalizations can be countered by anyone who's had other types of experiences.

For example, I was in a very loving marriage with great s*x for 4 years.

These days I take NDT and plenty of cholesterol for the steroid precursors.

And I still feel better doing sexual transmutation today than I ever did then.

Anyways, your experience is valid and probably applies to many, many other people. Do you think my experience is valid, too?

cholesterol via diet or supplementation

 

[RenaissanceMan]

AAA

 

[damngoodcoffee]

Modern exercise done for the sake of improvement is not pro-metabolic because it is vain
It all goes back to enjoying what you're doing and being playful like we were as kids, and when that's in place any form of exercise becomes pro-metabolic

SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE:

Celibacy/retention is inherently stressful on the body

If we consider Hans Selye's perspective on stress, then an organism unable to reproduce is also going to have higher cortisol and adrenaline which will decrease thyroid function over time

Insomnia is inevitable once you reach a certain day count of semen retention

There's something to be said about pursuing meaningful relationships and not being involved in hookup culture, I definitely agree with that

But love/sex is very pro-metabolic, and contrary to what many believe, we are UNDERSEXUALIZED as a culture

We have unsatisfactory mechanisms of dealing with our sexuality such as porn, masturbation, and purposeless dating

So guys turn to spirituality, NoFap, semen retention, as a coping mechanism to deal with a lack of fulfilling options

The benefits are a myth

You can get the supposed benefits and more by taking thyroid and boosting metabolism, which will increase testosterone and other pregnenolone, etc.

I agree with you a lot but to me sexuality, even masturbation is a vital part of spirituality, not an alternative to it.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

Most of the time, people fap not because they're actually horny but rather because they're bored and seeking a hit of dopamine. It's no different from a drug and perhaps just as harmful, in my opinion.

Isn't the problem in these situations the fact that people are living an unfulfilling life, doing the wrong activities with the wrong people etc? To me the fapping and the drugs are just scapegoats and that trying to get that dopamine hit somehow is in some ways a healthy thing. Or are people supposed to just suck it up and accept that life is a boring curse? At least they are trying to find something to convince them that life is worth living.

 

[Razvan]

And yes I think it's abnormal to ejaculate more than twice per day. Ideally every other day or once per day you should blow your load.

Beyond that point it's an addiction and clear coping mechanism, and goes from therapeutic to stressful

Porn is a trap, I agree. Instant gratification and u don't have the fear of being rejected

But I will say it again: Sex and ejaculation after pursuing/approaching a girl and building a relationship is very pro-metabolic

Exactly,if you don't ejaculate you lose interest in sex at some point. If you see carefully you will see that the day after you ejaculated /you had sex ,you crave sexual desire more than before.
The only problem about ejaculation is higher prolactin but if you get enough calcium and vitamin D and your metabolism is on point it will go down after few hours.

 

[Razvan]

High dose vitamin E ,tobacco,dhea,vitamin D- calcium and thyroid are the most potent prolactin regulators I had ever tried and thus can mimick the "benefits" of nofap.

 

[RenaissanceMan]

Exactly,if you don't ejaculate you lose interest in sex at some point. If you see carefully you will see that the day after you ejaculated /you had sex ,you crave sexual desire more than before.
The only problem about ejaculation is higher prolactin but if you get enough calcium and vitamin D and your metabolism is on point it will go down after few hours.

High dose vitamin E ,tobacco,dhea,vitamin D- calcium and thyroid are the most potent prolactin regulators I had ever tried and thus can mimick the "benefits" of nofap.

100%, unfortunately vitamin E and dhea gave me some side effects but I agree on the others.

Any benefits from NoFap are just from prolactin reduction and high dopamine, hence the motivation benefits people speak about.

Everything goes back to energy production, most people don't realize this but the people here should understand. Especially reproduction which is a metabolic luxury

 

[清貴杉山]

i used to follow the nofap cult,but nowadays i just fap if im really horny,im 22yo,eating prometabolic,doing good exercices,being active,i cant go more than 1week,i start to feel really bad,suppressing urgues is really unhealthy ,also,i noticed that if i fap lets say 3 times a week,avoiding red meat i start to get insommia,little pimples and feeling not so good mood wise,if i add read meat to the equation is magically solved,i dont really know why but its my case,anecdotical

 

[Dr. B]

You can have sex with pretty womenz and still do semen retention!

The key is to separate orgasm from ejaculation through deep breathing and self-control. Sexual transmutation exercises help a ton with this!

Once you've learned to separate them, experiencing multiple orgasms (as a man lol) becomes pretty easy.

Wish this was taught to us at age 14 or something, but oh well...

what makes the orgasm different, is that just the convulsing? so are they dry orgasms? what about multiple ejaculations?

 

[Dr. B]

I would assume there’s also a vicious cycle situation here where unhealthy people are the ones having to resort to porn because indicators of poor health such as poor weight/skin/hair are preventing them from attracting a mate. And it becomes a downward spiral where the body handles the orgasm poorly, causing worse health, further diminishing romantic prospects and increasing their dependence on internet porn. While the healthy people never get into that in the first place and only reap benefits from sex and connection.

what does the orgasm do to the body to worsen health? the more unhealthy you are, the less capable you are to ejaculate in the first place. anyone in a metabolically poor state wouldnt be capable to do more than like a once every week or every few days ejaculation whereas someone healthier could do much more. in the modern world and probably in the past as well, there are just too many examples of metabolically healthy people engaging in porn/masturbation, as well as of metabolically unhealthy people, maybe due to wealth, or other reasons having sex with a mate.