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Salmon is high in PUFA and not Peat approved.BaconBits said:What do you think of eating some, but not too much fish, the frozen fillets of alaskan pollock and cod or some salmon??
Its low in fat, bellow 1 gram per 100' gram and not too high in heavy metals?
White fish, like cod and sole, are OK although cod is higher in phosphorus so it is important to balance it with sufficient calcium.Ray Peat said:About ten years ago I met a young man with a degenerative brain disease, and was interested in the fact that he (working on a fishing boat) had been eating almost a pound of salmon per day for several years. There is now enough information regarding the neurotoxic effects of fish oil to justify avoidance of the fatty fish.
Ray Peat said:Mercury content is high in the big (old) fish, but not in the small shellfish or small fish such as cod and sole.
Yeah, I'd definitely avoid salmon. I'm not big on white fish personally and much prefer shellfish. I grew up on the Atlantic and love lobster tails in butter and garlic and fried scallops in butter. Pretty high in saturated fat with all the butter and not cheap so I limit those feasts to special indulgences.BaconBits said:Ohh, sorry only the cod and pollock is bellow 1 gram/100grams. I think the supermarket frozen wild salmon (fillet) is stripped of most fat, its like only 2grams per 100grams, but we better avoid it.
So a little bit of mercury is kind of OK. Here is a chart of mercury in fish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_in_fish
BaconBits said:I kind of thought fish would be more nutritious, but I was dissapointed seeing a nutrient analysis. Except for tuna or deep fried they are not even that good.
I don't think I'd eat it as a staple but occasionally is fine according to RP.dukez07 said:BaconBits said:I kind of thought fish would be more nutritious, but I was dissapointed seeing a nutrient analysis. Except for tuna or deep fried they are not even that good.
But they offer a great alternative for people who don't want to eat cheese all day, or drink milk. Even too much meat can become tiresome.
Would anyone see anything wrong with eating sea food as a staple? I mean, based on that wikipedia page on mercury content, posted earlier in the thread, it would suggest that shrimp is safe. You might even get away with eating something like haddock, twice a day to meet your protein requirements?
SourceRay Peat said:Eating low-fat seafood (sole, whitefish, turbot, scallops, oysters, lobster, shrimp, squid, etc.) once in a while can provide useful trace minerals, without much risk. However, fish from some parts of the ocean contain industrial contaminants in the fat, and large fish such as tuna, swordfish, Chilean sea bass and halibut contain toxic amounts of mercury in the muscles. Chilean sea bass (Patagonian toothfish) is very high in fat, too.
About ten years ago I met a young man with a degenerative brain disease, and was interested in the fact that he (working on a fishing boat) had been eating almost a pound of salmon per day for several years. There is now enough information regarding the neurotoxic effects of fish oil to justify avoidance of the fatty fish.
Some of the current advertising is promoting fish oil to prevent cancer, so it's important to remember that there are many studies showing that it increases cancer.
4peatssake said:I don't think I'd eat it as a staple but occasionally is fine according to RP.dukez07 said:BaconBits said:I kind of thought fish would be more nutritious, but I was dissapointed seeing a nutrient analysis. Except for tuna or deep fried they are not even that good.
But they offer a great alternative for people who don't want to eat cheese all day, or drink milk. Even too much meat can become tiresome.
Would anyone see anything wrong with eating sea food as a staple? I mean, based on that wikipedia page on mercury content, posted earlier in the thread, it would suggest that shrimp is safe. You might even get away with eating something like haddock, twice a day to meet your protein requirements?
SourceRay Peat said:Eating low-fat seafood (sole, whitefish, turbot, scallops, oysters, lobster, shrimp, squid, etc.) once in a while can provide useful trace minerals, without much risk. However, fish from some parts of the ocean contain industrial contaminants in the fat, and large fish such as tuna, swordfish, Chilean sea bass and halibut contain toxic amounts of mercury in the muscles. Chilean sea bass (Patagonian toothfish) is very high in fat, too.
About ten years ago I met a young man with a degenerative brain disease, and was interested in the fact that he (working on a fishing boat) had been eating almost a pound of salmon per day for several years. There is now enough information regarding the neurotoxic effects of fish oil to justify avoidance of the fatty fish.
Some of the current advertising is promoting fish oil to prevent cancer, so it's important to remember that there are many studies showing that it increases cancer.
I just don't consider it to be optimal or a good choice for a staple and have not know RP to advocate it as such either. I'd prefer to use gelatin if I needed to source additional protein. Milk, eggs, gelatin are my preferred sources but hey, try it and see how you do.dukez07 said:Well, I guess it depends on how selective you are when choosing to eat fish. No-one is rushing out and buying a tuna or a salmon. We all know that they are toxic with mercury and PUFA. Shrimp has barely next to no mercury content. Why wouldn't it be a potential staple? It's not like industrially farmed meat doesn't also have toxins, yet a lot here eat it.
BingDing said:(as long as I don't think about Fukushima)
4peatssake said:I just don't consider it to be optimal or a good choice for a staple and have not know RP to advocate it as such either. I'd prefer to use gelatin if I needed to source additional protein. Milk, eggs, gelatin are my preferred sources but hey, try it and see how you do.dukez07 said:Well, I guess it depends on how selective you are when choosing to eat fish. No-one is rushing out and buying a tuna or a salmon. We all know that they are toxic with mercury and PUFA. Shrimp has barely next to no mercury content. Why wouldn't it be a potential staple? It's not like industrially farmed meat doesn't also have toxins, yet a lot here eat it.
RP doesn't recommend muscle meat as a staple either.
Eat fish low in EPA-DHA — a "dry" fish like cod — just don't eat the liver!What do you think of eating some, but not too much fish, the frozen fillets of alaskan pollock and cod or some salmon??
Its low in fat, bellow 1 gram per 100' gram and not too high in heavy metals?