East West Healing's Metabolic Blueprint Program

[pboy]

I think the biggest sign of health is a sense of being satisfied, and being giving therefore, or in a mood to learn and experiment, rather than in a hostile, aggressive, paranoid, or overall draining or unpleasant state. Considering that, Josh seems pretty healthy to me...but who knows how he feels for sure

 

[Dutchie]

This is a sore spot with me.

This is true because our culture equates thin with being healthy. Even athletes are not necessarily healthy. For example , the marathon runner that drops dead from a heart attack. Locally, a young 26 yr. old professional surfer is undergoing chemotherapy for testicular cancer. My daughter, always thin and athletic, diagnosed at 19 with Hodgkins lymphoma. This is becoming more common. She follows "paleo" and doesn't consider what I do as healthy and partly because of my weight gain nd her equating thinness with health!!

I find it to be more real to see him overweight. Enjoying life and not fitting into societies definition of what looks good. I am not saying that being overweight cannot be a health issue, but he claims he is well and unless he isn't following what he is teaching, I would tend to believe him.

We already e-mailed about this, Haagendazendiane, but since you mention it here:
Someone very close to me has been diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma when she was 29. (She is fine by the way, 4 years later now and without chemo therapy apart from a first horrible try.)

The thing is: She was always extremely athletic. She used to swim once a week, she went to a fitness studio twice a week. Nearly every morning she went for a run. In her free time she went climbing and skiing and surfing and I don't know what. She was always well muscled and people (even those who didn't know her) told her she looked "healthy".
When the doctors told us she had cancer her first words were "But I do sports all the time." and the doctor (he was a specialist for blood cancers and lymphoma) said: "That's what all my patients say."
You couldn't tell after a few rounds of chemo. They all got cortisone so they had these typical watery, fat look - but when you talked to the other patients they would tell you about their marathons and how they loved to climb mountains and cycle from Rome to Madrid.

I think there is a big difference between what we have come to associate with "looking healthy" and with "being healthy".
Sometimes what will shift the balance toward one of the two, will lessen the other.
I think if you want to validate what people say - you might want to try and validate what they say and not how they look when they say it.

Ok,gonna play Devil's Advocate here......but hearing your story,it sounds to me like she did those sports or most of them/activities for enjoyment and not so much for her figure. So,that would mean it's fun&relaxing to her,basically anti-stress to the mind&soul and I think the mind&soul are,even over the body,the worst targets when it comes to stress.
You also mentioned 'he watery face' from the chemo,that's what my face looks like nowadays or part of it sometimes from these swelling issues.....and I dont even have cancer/chemo :s

Btw,my father got&died of a braintumor at a fairly early age and he was an overweigth baker who loved to eat.

 

[HDD]

We already e-mailed about this, Haagendazendiane, but since you mention it here:
Someone very close to me has been diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma when she was 29. (She is fine by the way, 4 years later now and without chemo therapy apart from a first horrible try.)

The thing is: She was always extremely athletic. She used to swim once a week, she went to a fitness studio twice a week. Nearly every morning she went for a run. In her free time she went climbing and skiing and surfing and I don't know what. She was always well muscled and people (even those who didn't know her) told her she looked "healthy".
When the doctors told us she had cancer her first words were "But I do sports all the time." and the doctor (he was a specialist for blood cancers and lymphoma) said: "That's what all my patients say."
You couldn't tell after a few rounds of chemo. They all got cortisone so they had these typical watery, fat look - but when you talked to the other patients they would tell you about their marathons and how they loved to climb mountains and cycle from Rome to Madrid.

I think there is a big difference between what we have come to associate with "looking healthy" and with "being healthy".
Sometimes what will shift the balance toward one of the two, will lessen the other.
I think if you want to validate what people say - you might want to try and validate what they say and not how they look when they say it.

Rayser, is your friend who had lymphoma following a specific diet now? Sports?

 

[Rayser]

Rayser, is your friend who had lymphoma following a specific diet now? Sports?

Yes, of course. She is eating according to Ray Peat. I think I wrote you about it ...?
No sports anymore. She is working out with dumbbells a few minutes every day. You know, concentric exercise.

 

[HDD]

Rayser, is your friend who had lymphoma following a specific diet now? Sports?

Yes, of course. She is eating according to Ray Peat. I think I wrote you about it ...?
No sports anymore. She is working out with dumbbells a few minutes every day. You know, concentric exercise.

Yes, you did. I thought that it was worth repeating here for the benefit of others. Thank you.

 

[Rayser]

I think there is a big difference between what we have come to associate with "looking healthy" and with "being healthy".
Sometimes what will shift the balance toward one of the two, will lessen the other.
I think if you want to validate what people say - you might want to try and validate what they say and not how they look when they say it.

Couldn't agree more. My uncle recently died from melanoma. Not an ounce of fat on him. Can't say I ever remember him even being sick in any major way. Plenty of energy. He passed away 6 weeks after diagnosis after seeing the doctor with a back ache. So not being fat, and even 'looking' healthy doesn't really mean a whole lot.

I am very sorry for your loss, ttramone.

 

[Rayser]

Rayser, is your friend who had lymphoma following a specific diet now? Sports?

Yes, of course. She is eating according to Ray Peat. I think I wrote you about it ...?
No sports anymore. She is working out with dumbbells a few minutes every day. You know, concentric exercise.

Yes, you did. I thought that it was worth repeating here for the benefit of others. Thank you.

Ah, sure. Hope the one you're worried about is well?
I forgot to tell you then: I think the best about her situation is that she doesn't go to regular health checks. They would do CTs and she can really do without further radioactive radiation.

 

[HDD]

She is well. She has not had a scan since the one they did after her final treatment 5 years ago. No insurance so, no she has not been back for the check ups. Unfortunately, she does love her salmon, salads, and soy milk in her coffee.

 

[gretchen]

I think it's a lot easier to sell yourself and your counseling if you look the part. If you're fit, well spoken, and have good energy, naturally, people will be more apt to listen to your advice. Josh Rubin is significantly overweight, but he has a good personality, and his videos are entertaining. He just needs to drop some lbs for more people to take him seriously. Fat guys giving dietary advice isn't the best business plan.

This is a sore spot with me.

This is true because our culture equates thin with being healthy. Even athletes are not necessarily healthy. For example , the marathon runner that drops dead from a heart attack. Locally, a young 26 yr. old professional surfer is undergoing chemotherapy for testicular cancer. My daughter, always thin and athletic, diagnosed at 19 with Hodgkins lymphoma. This is becoming more common. She follows "paleo" and doesn't consider what I do as healthy and partly because of my weight gain nd her equating thinness with health!!

I find it to be more real to see him overweight. Enjoying life and not fitting into societies definition of what looks good. I am not saying that being overweight cannot be a health issue, but he claims he is well and unless he isn't following what he is teaching, I would tend to believe him.

It's the A1 milk you all think is so healthy.
[mod]This post contains alternatives to Ray Peat's views. For a full explanation click here.[/mod]

 

[jaketthomas]

Here's the thing.... in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if you're a little bit overweight, as long as you feel good, and have the energy to live your life to the fullest. HOWEVER, when you're a health professional, and you're counseling people who want to LOOK better, being overweight is a bad business decision. Fact is, half the people in our society just want to look better. It's amazing what some people will do to themselves just to look better. So, an overweight health coach isn't an ideal candidate for half of the population, merely looking to just look their best.

I understand that most, if not all of you are on here to feel your best, but sadly, that's not the case with a good portion of our society.

 

[Jenn]

I hear what you are saying. I know of someone in particular that was caught in that same trap....as a health rebuilding practitioner. She thought she needed to loose 10 lbs. She didn't for a long time. She was preaching it, but she wasn't doing it, she still doubted. When she FINALLY gave up on her own (residual streamline mantra...the sugar makes you fat lie), she lost those ten lbs. She started adding SUGAR and cream of tartar (potassium) in equal parts to her milk, but still only twice a day....gotta count those calories.

Personally, I think she looks too bony but whatever makes her happy.

 

[pboy]

I guess you guys are assuming looks = attractiveness, or there would be no other reason to talk about it...being a man, I'll tell you that looks only play a minor factor (indeed a much bigger factor when you're young and just wanna have sex basically). Its more about how nurturing, grounding, and pleasant to be around the person is. Most obese people are usually not like that cause they are sick, but being really thin or having some cushion doesn't really matter, and in fact if the girl is always trying to manipulate their looks and weight its very unattractive

 

[jaketthomas]

I like associating myself with people who at least TRY to look good. A little effort here and there wouldn't hurt. I have met very happy, energetic people who had slabs of fat hanging over their gut, but to me, that looks sloppy. I'm probably a little biased in regards to appearance, because a) I'm a businessman, and appearance is part of the sales process, and b) I have been a fitness enthusiast since I was in 8th grade. I don't understand why everyone doesn't want to look their best. But, again, I realize that's just me.

 

[Rayser]

This is a sore spot with me.

This is true because our culture equates thin with being healthy. Even athletes are not necessarily healthy. For example , the marathon runner that drops dead from a heart attack. Locally, a young 26 yr. old professional surfer is undergoing chemotherapy for testicular cancer. My daughter, always thin and athletic, diagnosed at 19 with Hodgkins lymphoma. This is becoming more common. She follows "paleo" and doesn't consider what I do as healthy and partly because of my weight gain nd her equating thinness with health!!

I find it to be more real to see him overweight. Enjoying life and not fitting into societies definition of what looks good. I am not saying that being overweight cannot be a health issue, but he claims he is well and unless he isn't following what he is teaching, I would tend to believe him.

We already e-mailed about this, Haagendazendiane, but since you mention it here:
Someone very close to me has been diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma when she was 29. (She is fine by the way, 4 years later now and without chemo therapy apart from a first horrible try.)

The thing is: She was always extremely athletic. She used to swim once a week, she went to a fitness studio twice a week. Nearly every morning she went for a run. In her free time she went climbing and skiing and surfing and I don't know what. She was always well muscled and people (even those who didn't know her) told her she looked "healthy".
When the doctors told us she had cancer her first words were "But I do sports all the time." and the doctor (he was a specialist for blood cancers and lymphoma) said: "That's what all my patients say."
You couldn't tell after a few rounds of chemo. They all got cortisone so they had these typical watery, fat look - but when you talked to the other patients they would tell you about their marathons and how they loved to climb mountains and cycle from Rome to Madrid.

I think there is a big difference between what we have come to associate with "looking healthy" and with "being healthy".
Sometimes what will shift the balance toward one of the two, will lessen the other.
I think if you want to validate what people say - you might want to try and validate what they say and not how they look when they say it.

Ok,gonna play Devil's Advocate here......but hearing your story,it sounds to me like she did those sports or most of them/activities for enjoyment and not so much for her figure. So,that would mean it's fun&relaxing to her,basically anti-stress to the mind&soul and I think the mind&soul are,even over the body,the worst targets when it comes to stress.
You also mentioned 'he watery face' from the chemo,that's what my face looks like nowadays or part of it sometimes from these swelling issues.....and I dont even have cancer/chemo :s

Btw,my father got&died of a braintumor at a fairly early age and he was an overweigth baker who loved to eat.

I'm sorry, Dutchie but I don't think the devil would hire you.
I don't really get your point.
I didn't say that sports will cause cancer and not doing sports will help you stay healthy.
Of course lots of sports are fun and will help people relax. That's not the point at all.
The point is that doing sports in order to stay healthy does not work and is still recommended by most authorities for exactly that purpose.

My friend did a lot of things to look good and to stay healthy. Most of these things turned out to be lies. I don't know anybody who runs a few miles every morning before waking the kids and going to work because it's fun. Or join a fitness studio. I'm sure these people exist somewhere but I believe for the majority it's what jaketthomas writes: People want to look good. Plus they are told sports are healthy. The more sports you do, the healthier you get.

Most athletes I know brag about how low their resting pulse is and that even after running many miles it never gets higher than my resting pulse.
It has nothing to do with "relaxation" and "fun". It's about being "fit" and staying healthy and becoming beautiful. Many people tell me they feel energized after working out for a few hours. I believe that. For a little while they experience a raise of body temperature. They feel as if their thyroid gland was working. It comes at a cost and they don't know that. That's what I object to. If people do sports they should know what it does to them physiologically. If they still love it so much they will do it anyway.

That doesn't mean (I don't know where you get this??) that I think eating too much and especially too much gluten would be good for you. I am very sorry that your father died. But I don't think running a few marathons would have saved him.
What shocked me (and that was the core of "my story") is that an oncologist told my friend that most of his patients (having leucaemia or malignant lymphoma) have been doing lots of sports. Especially Hodgkin's lymphoma occurs very often in young, athletic people. That is not something you hear every day.

I also didn't say (or mean) that only patients during chemo therapy have swollen faces. Edema usually occur when you have high estrogen and high cortisol levels. If you suggest the swelling gets better through sports I think you're in for a disappointment.

 

[j.]

I don't understand why everyone doesn't want to look their best. But, again, I realize that's just me.

I just jack off all day, and that's enough to keep me happy.

 

[j.]

For a little while they experience a raise of body temperature. They feel as if their thyroid gland was working. It comes at a cost and they don't know that. That's what I object to.

I'm not sure that's true. I posted an e-mail from Peat where he says that if your fats are not polyunsaturated, you're likely to recover quickly from the stress from exercise, even long distance running, and not become hypothyroid.

 

[jyb]

Most athletes I know brag about how low their resting pulse is and that even after running many miles it never gets higher than my resting pulse.
It has nothing to do with "relaxation" and "fun". It's about being "fit" and staying healthy and becoming beautiful. Many people tell me they feel energized after working out for a few hours. I believe that. For a little while they experience a raise of body temperature. They feel as if their thyroid gland was working. It comes at a cost and they don't know that. That's what I object to. If people do sports they should know what it does to them physiologically. If they still love it so much they will do it anyway.

Before, I used to do a lot of intense sports like running, because I felt good immediately afterwards (helps to release dopamine?). After an exhausting and breathless jog, I would feel very relaxed, and this relaxation and feel good would last throughout the day, which was helpful because I was probably very hypothyroid and tired otherwise. It might have helped falling asleep (if not just by exhaustion), as if I needed to spend that energy before going to bed.

 

[Dutchie]

I'm sorry, Dutchie but I don't think the devil would hire you.
I don't really get your point.
I didn't say that sports will cause cancer and not doing sports will help you stay healthy.
Of course lots of sports are fun and will help people relax. That's not the point at all.
The point is that doing sports in order to stay healthy does not work and is still recommended by most authorities for exactly that purpose.

My friend did a lot of things to look good and to stay healthy. Most of these things turned out to be lies. I don't know anybody who runs a few miles every morning before waking the kids and going to work because it's fun. Or join a fitness studio. I'm sure these people exist somewhere but I believe for the majority it's what jaketthomas writes: People want to look good. Plus they are told sports are healthy. The more sports you do, the healthier you get.

Most athletes I know brag about how low their resting pulse is and that even after running many miles it never gets higher than my resting pulse.
It has nothing to do with "relaxation" and "fun". It's about being "fit" and staying healthy and becoming beautiful. Many people tell me they feel energized after working out for a few hours. I believe that. For a little while they experience a raise of body temperature. They feel as if their thyroid gland was working. It comes at a cost and they don't know that. That's what I object to. If people do sports they should know what it does to them physiologically. If they still love it so much they will do it anyway.

That doesn't mean (I don't know where you get this??) that I think eating too much and especially too much gluten would be good for you. I am very sorry that your father died. But I don't think running a few marathons would have saved him.
What shocked me (and that was the core of "my story") is that an oncologist told my friend that most of his patients (having leucaemia or malignant lymphoma) have been doing lots of sports. Especially Hodgkin's lymphoma occurs very often in young, athletic people. That is not something you hear every day.

I also didn't say (or mean) that only patients during chemo therapy have swollen faces. Edema usually occur when you have high estrogen and high cortisol levels. If you suggest the swelling gets better through sports I think you're in for a disappointment.

First of all I'm sorry for your friend Rayser.
I misinterpreted your words,bc I thougth by what you wrote that she just enjoyed doing those sports and not so much for looks/health.And that was,what I was trying to say,that if a person truly does it for his/her enjoyment&relaxation,just as others migth enjoy crafts,making music etc., than I don't think it's detrimental.
Since the latter is the case,then yes you do have a point

I don't know where you got this from,but I never said eating lots of gluten is ok or healthy. :s
The thing about my father I mentioned,that skinny/exerciser or obese/non-exerciser both can't be unhealthy but that was when I thougth she did it for fun.

 

[Dutchie]

I think 'looking good' is also very subjective by different meanings in the eye of the beholder.
You can define looking good,like jake does bodycomp wise, but another person migth define looking good-criteria as someone who looks welldressed/trendy/manicured etc. regardless of his/her physique

 

[jaketthomas]

To me, anyone who looks healthy, usually looks good. I have seen muscular, fit people, look extremely unhealthy. There's this guy who goes to my gym who has big muscles, but looks awful. Pale, bloodless face, huge bags under his eyes, always looks tired, just looks terrible. That doesn't look good to me. So it's definitely not just looking fit. It's looking healthy, while also, not looking like a slob or a bean pole. I think being overly skinny looks as bad as being overly heavy. Overly skinny people usually have adrenal issues, and overly heavy people usually have thyroid issues. Some have both. Those are the tricky cases.