Dry Eyes

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  1. metabolizm

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    Does anyone know of any foods or nutritional deficiencies that could specifically cause dry eyes?

    I’ve had horribly dry eyes for about two weeks now, and I can’t figure out why.

    I’m not particularly stressed or sleep-deprived. My diet hasn’t changed very much - except from drinking instant coffee more often than normal, but that doesn’t seem a likely cause. I’m trying to eat liver and oysters occasionally.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. redsun

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    Dry eyes is low histamine or acetylcholine. Its not unlikely, increased caffeine intake will raise adrenaline which opposes histamine and can cause dry eyes but also dry mouth and what not. You can try taking active B6 with a meal and if it helps than you know what the problem is.
     
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    Thank you so much! I might actually try cutting back on the caffeine first. It hasn’t occurred that dry eyes could could equal low histamine. My mouth has been quite dry too. What role would B6 be playing here?
     
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    Active B6 will convert histidine to histamine. Yeh if you are getting dry mouth as well then its very likely low histamine.
     
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    I hear so much about the problems with high histamine that it’s never occurred to me that histamine could be too low.

    I’m going to eat a big helping of liver for the B6 now.
     
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    Histamine is very important as a neurotransmitter and for lubrication of eyes, mouth, etc...

    The thing about liver for B6, It is very high in B6, but the copper intake would be astronomical which is strongly anti-histamine. It may help but likely not. You can give it a shot see what happens. I remember another user was getting very dry mouth especially the days he eats liver and I had to make the connection with him as well. Excess copper will break histamine down too much. Beef steak or chicken would be better for B6 if you want to get it from food though its a bit less. They have iron and zinc which are not anti-histamine and are mildly pro-histamine minerals.
     
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    @redsun thanks for this insight.

    So if it is low histamine in my case, what other factors - other than the possible caffeine-adrenaline link which seems quite likely in my case, and other than potential high copper - could be lowering my histamine, that I should watch out for?

    I do have a glass of orange juice every morning which I understand is pro-histamine, but it’s usually only one small glass per day.
     
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    There is not really too much else that can lower histamine excessively except for copper. Its the most powerful really and anything that promotes adrenaline. If you take B complex which has an excessive amount of Bs that can cause more histamine to be methylated. Too much calcium perhaps.

    OJ can trigger histamine reactions but its not really pro-histamine. Something tells me your zinc is not inadequate but if it was it would lower histamine because zinc is needed to activate B6 and zinc is also anti-prolactin. Thats why I was recommending the active B6 because it skips that and provide more immediate relief.

    High prolactin/low dopamine can cause it as dopamine will release histamine through certain receptors. So if your ratio of copper to iron is and has been heavily tilted to copper for awhile you can end up with higher prolactin. Dopaminergic substances will generally raise histamine as well.

    Low metabolism will keep histamine lower because your body will not want it. Excessive copper is also anti-thyroid.
     
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    I was always attributing the dry skin connection with the vitamin A in the liver. Now this makes more sense
     
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    I think dry skin and dry eyes are very much connected.
     
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    Dry skin is mostly about lack of oils I believe and dry eyes would be fluid secretions. Anything that helps raise androgens should raise oils in the face but what works for one person doesn't always work for another. Zinc, niacinamide does well for me in that department. Niacinamide also is pro-histamine and very important for all hormones anyway. Too much copper may reduce androgens though I am not sure.
     
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    @redsun

    I seem to have found immediate relief from the dry eyes after a session in front of my red light - not looking directly at it, but with eyes open.

    Something to think about. I live in Scotland and are quite deprived of sunshine compared to most countries. And I do look at screens a lot.
     
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    strange as it seems - when i'm dehydrated my eyes are dry too
     
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    actually too much salt dries my eyes
     
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    Vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency is one of the lesser mentioned causes.
    Retinoldeficiency is a classic one ofc.
     
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    Since histamine and estrogen are agonists of each other, how is it that copper is an antihistamine, when copper is also used to lower estrogen?
     
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    Still no relief from the dry eyes. I've tried B6. Not sure what else to do. Trying to keep metabolism up, but it's hard.

    After an emotional event yesterday, I cried quite a bit, and the temporary relief from dry eyes was a wonderful thing. If only I could cry more often.
     
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    Tried choline rich foods? Like eating a lot of eggs. Zinc helps the Ach receptors function so if zinc is not sufficient that could add to the problem.
     
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    Yeah, I eat eggs every day. Zinc, I’m not so sure. I eat beef quite often. And sometimes oysters. Maybe I need to eat more?
     
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    I used to have very dry eyes a few years ago, it was so bad at one point that I went to the emergency department at a specialist eye hospital in London because I could barely keep my eyes open. The only thing that cured it was drinking lots of water, 8-10 glasses a day. With all your coffee drinking it sounds like you may be dehydrated. Remember to have some salt with your water.
     
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