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Whenever I take supplements that supposedly lower estrogen such as methylene blue, vitamin E or vitamin K I get very dry and bloodshot eyes. Anyone else?
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Whenever I take supplements that supposedly lower estrogen such as methylene blue, vitamin E or vitamin K I get very dry and bloodshot eyes. Anyone else?
I seemed to notice it from vitamin K, possibly from vitamin E, and seemingly from 200mcg selenium. I only took the E twice a week and K was 4x a week so its possible the selenium was simply recycling the E and causing the dry eye effect.
I notice the same thing. I also notice that my limbal rings get thinner when estrogen is low. Thick limbal rings are supposed to be indicators of better health so I find it interesting.
A lot of "estrogen lowering" substances can reduce water retention but also can reduce histamine. Histamine plays a role in fluid secretions like tears, saliva, sweat, etc... So if it gets too low you can get dry eyes, dry throat... I get dry throat from taking benadryl, I generally avoid inheritantly antihistamine compounds these days because being dried out especially in the mouth is no fun. Chronic dry mouth for those who are prone to it will worsen teeth and gum health and oral health in general in the long term.
I notice this too if I load up on histamine reducers. Milk helps to balance everything out when it comes to estrogen and histamine. Same thing if I'm loading up on beta alanine or flushing niacin
thats interesting, if they reduce histamine, that should mean they also reduce histamine intolerance, and allow you to handle histamine increasing foods better right?
I noticed a bit of drying effect from k2 as well as selenium (maybe vitamin E as well). noticed dry eyes and mouth significantly.
benadryl is a powerful anti histamine, probably much stronger than the anti histamine effects of things like vitamin A, K2, E, D3 etc?
Niacin(all kinds) will actually increase histamine.
Well that's exactly what benadryl is, an antihistamine. Histamine "intolerance" is simply high histamine(histadelic) so when a histadelic consumes nutrients or foods that increase histamine it will make them feel worse as they already have too much histamine in the body. You cannot be "intolerant" to histamine, rather if you have too much it will just overload and do things it should normally not being doing because its not being degraded at normal rates.
Most vitamins don't primarily show their beneficial effects by acting on histamine from what I understand, though it may lower it indirectly.
This graphic shows cofactors necessary for histamine metabolism. SAMe(from methionine), FAD(B2), iron, B6, B12, copper, vitamin C, all play a role in degrading histamine. The best thing for someone with high histamine(histamine intolerance) would be increased consumption of methionine.
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I notice this too if I load up on histamine reducers. Milk helps to balance everything out when it comes to estrogen and histamine. Same thing if I'm loading up on beta alanine or flushing niacin
someone with high histamine would need to avoid supplementing niacin as well right?
does nicotinamide riboside also raise histamine, significantly? how does it compare to niacin.
niacinamide, 100mg a day, gave me histamine intolerance symptoms, also gave hypothyroid symptoms. would make me tired the whole day. tryptophan, histidine, and niacin intake should be limited with histamine intolerance? or it doesnt matter?
also I am pretty sure I read zinc, selenium, iodine, and manganese are all also involved in breaking down histamine and/or reducing histamine intolerance in some way? maybe some fat solubles as well?
beta alanine consumption gave you a histamine reaction similar to niacin?
could you comment on what histamine reducers youre talking about
btw @redsun I used things like allerclear/claritin or benadryl daily for like 4 or 5 years in my early teen years due to allergies. I think that usage of antihistamines back then is maybe why I have excess histamine as an adult now? some sort of damage from using things like claritin, allerclear, benadryl
I am not sure if there is a change in receptors for histamine from chronic antihistamine usage but if there was it would eventually normalize again after some time off them. If you are dealing with a lot of histamine you may find benefit just from more vitamin C, I often see vitamin C recommended for reducing histamine on the web and seeing as it is a DAO cofactor it makes sense.
I used to use 1000mg vitamin c a day, it likely did help to some extent but long term, especially after adding in some zinc supplementation, it depleted copper too much and eventually resulted in more histamine intolerance. copper seems complex and dangerous to supplement
yes, I check the vast majority of those. do you have the overmethylator sheet?
i had all or most of those symptoms before megadosing niacinamide btw.
Yes I just google "blank symptoms" and i get those.
"Overmethylation symptoms", in others copper overload+low histamine(histapenia):
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In contrast to you, I have virtually ever symptom above, except libido problems(Im 22, makes sense) and being overweight, though I have a tendency to be overweight I am currently not. I thought overmethylation was bogus until I one time became conscious of my nervous pacing. Literally a lightbulb moment.
Yes your right it can do that I completely forgot. You can always just eat copper rich foods if thats what your after. Theres quite a few that aren't liver.
i used to have all the undermethylation symptoms now i have the overmethylation ones
A lot of "estrogen lowering" substances can reduce water retention but also can reduce histamine. Histamine plays a role in fluid secretions like tears, saliva, sweat, etc... So if it gets too low you can get dry eyes, dry throat... I get dry throat from taking benadryl, I generally avoid inheritantly antihistamine compounds these days because being dried out especially in the mouth is no fun. Chronic dry mouth for those who are prone to it will worsen teeth and gum health and oral health in general in the long term.
This is interesting
My mother has had bad allergies for almost her whole life, I think she has taken a zyrtec or other anti-histamine nearly every day for the last decade
She also has Sjogren's and extremely dry eyes and mouth - she basically produces zero tears
What things can you do to increase histamine? Maybe her problem is actually that her histamine is too low and cannot produce bodily fluids