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Ray Peat Interview Dr. Ray Peat, Brad Marshall on the History of PUFA and Obesity (Part 1). Show-Title: A Neighbor's Choice.

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Here is a PUFA consumption chart from the USDA, to go along with the conversation about different metabolic rates in different decades-

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It likely went even higher since then, with the war on "hydrogenated oils," which means less Trans Fats and Saturated Fats, and even more PUFA from the same type of oils (eg, partially hydrogenated soybean oil has less PUFA than normal soybean oil).

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Loved the calorie talk. Ray smashing 9000 back in the day while strolling in the woods.
 

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Pearson and Shaw talked about PUFA in their book from 1982, and were on many talk shows. Peat says nobody else was talking about it back then, but actually it was them who I first heard about PUFAs and their dangers. They also talked about the dangers of iron and copper as free radical catalysts. I am surprised Peat didn't mention them.
 

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Great interview, thanks for posting it.

Some takeaways:

-kids gotta drink milk, have carbohydrate, eat fruit (candy is okay!)

-milk is useful for newborns because they’re born with excess iron, and milk’s lack of iron let’s kids “grow into their iron” over the first year of life

-when people’s bodies stop growing, PUFA begins to accumulate extra fast, until the point that in old age, the extent of dementia directly correlates to the amount of n-3 fatty acids

-Sugar rots teeth not because it is harmful in itself, but because poor diet (mainly PUFA) has caused our saliva to use it’s antiseptic qualities

-Traditional cultures (Thai and Mayan) ate lots of low-PUFA grains and had incredibly high metabolic rates. 1930’s George W. Crile’s studies showed that American cultures had way lower metabolic rates (50% lower) than traditional cultures

-in the 1930s, the American south had low metabolic rate before the northern US did, which correlates with the northward-spreading popularity of cottonseed oil

-In1939, the average wealthy adult male in the US ate over 5000 calories per day (and they didn’t seem to have a concept of “eating too much”) of mostly flour, butter, sugar, potatoes, some beef and pork, lots of milk. (They ate peaty.) If you choose pro-metabolic foods, you can eat way more calories than the current recommendations. Back then, people didn’t do any cardio and were still way leaner, despite eating more calories.

-Pork fat, chicken fat, and eggs are all radically different than they used to be decades ago, due to a shift in commercial diet for the animals that produce them. Chickens themselves are basically sources of seed oils, because of their diets

-Accoring to Tucker Goodrich, the top sources of PUFA in American diets are chicken and grain-based deserts like cake
 

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-In1939, the average wealthy adult male in the US ate over 5000 calories per day (and they didn’t seem to have a concept of “eating too much”) of mostly flour, butter, sugar, potatoes, some beef and pork, lots of milk. (They ate peaty.) If you choose pro-metabolic foods, you can eat way more calories than the current recommendations. Back then, people didn’t do any cardio and were still way leaner, despite eating more calories.
This point is absolutely incredible! Does anybody have a source for that?
Just think about the implications regarding how far the general public has already degnerated and how less productive and intelligent we have probably already become.

I have a habit of reading a lot of old books, some of which were fairly popular back in the day within the educated parts of society, and it always amazes me what level of basic understanding of various areas is assumed from the reader and how much more complex the average sentence structure was back then. The average high school graduate 70 years ago proabaly had the general intelligence/metabolic energy of the average phd graduate of today.
 
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This point is absolutely incredible! Does anybody have a source for that?
He's summarizing the interview, so that would be the source. You might want to check Brad's blog for the studies he talks about. Peat says this was basically his experience.

It might not be as simple as "choosing pro metabolic foods." It's probably a matter of eliminating a significant amount of PUFA from your tissues. I would think the results of both the William Brown experiment and Walter Kemper's rice diet (they could apparently eat sugar freely, too) show this can be done in a relatively short time. Some of the before and after pictures of both men and women are staggering, and the weight loss happened in under a year-

sugar-and-rice-diet.jpg

Just think about the implications regarding how far the general public has already degnerated and how less productive and intelligent we have probably already become.

I have a habit of reading a lot of old books, some of which were fairly popular back in the day within the educated parts of society, and it always amazes me what level of basic understanding of various areas is assumed from the reader and how much more complex the average sentence structure was back then. The average high school graduate 70 years ago proabaly had the general intelligence/metabolic energy of the average phd graduate of today.

I wouldn't doubt poisoning people with things like PUFA and added iron and soy and such is part of the plan to dumb people down, but this isn't the only area that's targeted. Charlotte Iserbyt has talked about the agenda she saw while working for the Reagan Administration.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M


Of course, in the United States at least, they felt they had already dumbed people down enough by the 30's for FDR to announce his "New Deal" socialist programs, to get people to "voluntarily" turn in their gold for worthless paper money (which is easily negotiated, but still inherently worthless) and all the bank reform acts that concentrated the wealth of this country into the hands of the Money Kings, even more than it already was.

If the people had been smarter in the 30's, they would have known that an "Executive Order" couldn't make them turn in their gold. First, that only applies to "persons" under control of the Executive Branch (not people in general), and second, the Executive can't pass laws (separation of powers and all). But clearly, a lot of people in the 30's didn't understand these basic concepts of our government. Even less do today.

As one congressmen put it, "How are we [the Federal Government] going to take care of the American people, when it's the people who take care of us?"
 

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Tank, where can I find more info on that diet?
 

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He's summarizing the interview, so that would be the source. You might want to check Brad's blog for the studies he talks about. Peat says this was basically his experience.
They mentioned the source in the interview, but I was not able to find a free, full version on the internet:
USDA yearbook of agriculture 1939

Here is the table of contents part of it:
https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/IND50000141/PDF

It might not be as simple as "choosing pro metabolic foods." It's probably a matter of eliminating a significant amount of PUFA from your tissues. I would think the results of both the William Brown experiment and Walter Kemper's rice diet (they could apparently eat sugar freely, too) show this can be done in a relatively short time. Some of the before and after pictures of both men and women are staggering, and the weight loss happened in under a year-
Tank, where can I find more info on that diet?
It's basically a very low fat diet, similar to what the vegan durianrider is promoting.
The underlying principle is to eat less fat than you metabolize at rest during a day. You can eat as much carbs as you want because de novo lipogenesis from glucose/fructose can be neglected in regards to (fat) weight gain. That's why all fruitarians look like meth addicts, which makes the keto crowd look like idiots. According to their perspective they should all be overweight diabetics.
 

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They mentioned the source in the interview, but I was not able to find a free, full version on the internet:
USDA yearbook of agriculture 1939

Here is the table of contents part of it:
https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/IND50000141/PDF



It's basically a very low fat diet, similar to what the vegan durianrider is promoting.
The underlying principle is to eat less fat than you metabolize at rest during a day. You can eat as much carbs as you want because de novo lipogenesis from glucose/fructose can be neglected in regards to (fat) weight gain. That's why all fruitarians look like meth addicts, which makes the keto crowd look like idiots. According to their perspective they should all be overweight diabetics.
Can a man go very low fat indefinitely? What are the consequences?
 

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Can a man go very low fat indefinitely? What are the consequences?
It sounds like the Kempner diet.
 

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