Don't be a coomer

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- frequent ejaculation is associated with prostatitis, especially in young men
- frequent ejaculation is associated with prostate cancer, especially in young men
- have good, meaningful sex with your partner but don't watch and don't masturbate to porn
- if single, masturbate only as often as necessary to release sexual tension and don't watch porn; this frequency will vary with age, but no, it won't be at least 21 times a month as Men's Health magazine tells you;
- if you are young and healthy you may withstand multiple ejaculations, but if you are wise you should limit the unnecessary ones
- the seminal fluid has potent antibacterial properties through multiple mechanisms
- some but not all are zinc and magnesium dependent
- there is plenty of research on this from the 50s and 70s before the medical propaganda completely took over
- the seminal fluid does a lot more than simply harboring and delivering the sperm
- the prostate secretes small amounts of fluid continuously into the urethra (0.5-2 cc per hour, 12-48 cc per 24 hours); this acts as an antibacterial barrier in the urethra and is discharged usually from in the urine
- through repeated ejaculations you are diluting the quality of the seminal fluid
- bacteria is often found in semen samples from both healthy men and prostatitis sufferers; this is in line with Ray's opinion that if the organism is healthy bacteria don't pose a problem
- even when bacteria is found in the fluid, it turns out the prostatic tissue is almost never invaded
- antibiotic treatment almost never has any effect, except for a temporary one by lowering overall inflammation
- frequent ejaculation causes free radical and lactic acid accumulation in the pelvic region
- excessive activation of the endorphin and oxytocin system should be avoided
- endorphins activate histamine
- ejaculation floods your brain with prolactin
- in rats, frequent masturbation increases estrogen receptor density
- in rats, frequent masturbation lowers androgen receptors in the brain
- coomers criticize the no-fappers for their N=1 anecdotes, but the only evidence they can provide in support of their own addiction is the 2016 study recycled every year by the prestigious Men's Health magazine plus their own N=1

But I am open to new information, willing to change my mind if someone makes a good case in favor of being a coomer.
 
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William Blake was one of the first people who clearly described a kind of being which is whole, or at least trying to be whole in opposition to the culture of doubleness.

"Thou hast a lap full of seed,
And this is a fine country.
Why dost thou not cast thy seed
And live in it merrily?

Shall I cast it on the sand
And turn it into fruitful land?
For on no other ground
Can I sow my seed
Without tearing up
Some stinking weed."


"Sand" apparently refers to a barren emotional state, which is an alternative to a distorted and complex growth of the emotions. Blake often referred to biblical ideas, but filled with reality and imagination things which had been only the moralistic thoughts of tribal priests--so this verse might relate to the injunction to "spill your seed on a woman's belly rather than on the ground," or something of the sort. Masturbation then would be one meaning of sand--and since in masturbation the energy flow is only in one direction, without exchange and complexification, the idea extends to include this kind of low-energy release in normal copulation.

This is from RPs book "Mind and Tissue"
 

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Addiction to jerking off stems from toxic shame.
 

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This is from RPs book "Mind and Tissue"
Both William Blake and Raymond Peat have a certain childlike quality to their view of life and of God. The priest would likely just point out the consequences of following their own will and flesh instead of God. There are sound reasonings for why God is the most likely causality for all things. God loves childlike qualities but not the indignant adamant nose thumbing that people repeatedly do to Him. If God does exist then necessarily God is aware people aren't perfect and that they need conclusive help. That's why Jesus came to do the work on the cross. If life exists because of rightousness then apostasy is the cause of real death. Better to have faith and live forever.
 

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Many cases of frequent masturbation are due to excess cortisol/estrogen IMO, in stress-free, personality, intellect, and hobby development encouraging positive highly social environments most if not all repetitive addictive behaviors of mine completely disappeared and I had zero urge/desire for them but the moment my lifestyle becomes too monotone, boring, there is less socialization, more stress, etc. I am driven to repetitive addictive novelty seeking types of behaviors

Also, the number of negative effects from ejaculation depends on general health factors like baseline Dopamine levels, general Histamine load on the body, for example when I was sick with a cold in 2020 February I had 2 conscious orgasms and 1 nocturnal emission with zero post-orgasmic illness syndrome symptoms due to the pathogenic activation or inflammation that occurs post-ejaculation being turned down by the immunostimulation from having a cold

Many guys fixed their gut microbiomes or GAD/GABA/Glutamate imbalances or limbic system damage/miswiring and got rid of ME/CFS/Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome

Porn and frequent ejaculation is damaging and lethargic but if you have good health and energetical reserves then weekly ejaculation wouldn't give many noticeable negative side effects

Avoiding porn and edging and boredom and stress is more important as those will prevent you from getting to the point of masturbation in the first place

Some information regarding POIS and cases of it being cured:


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/k0gs45/i_cured_my_pois/

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/losyvq/how_i_sleep_on_pois_vs_off_pois/

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/iehwhe/update_pois_cured/

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/lj9wog/pois_seems_to_be_mast_cell_activation_disorder/

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/POIS/comments/lgqczv/how_i_completely_eliminated_my_symptoms/


POIS is gone! A gene potentially behind ME/CFS, POTS, Fibromyalgia, MCAS many chronic illness Mastic Gum etc Milnacipran - completely stopping my brain fog Propranolol (Betablocker) reduced the intensity of my POIS by atleast 75% Is POIS associated with an Autonomic Nervous System Dysfunction?

"Dr. Goldstein believed that ME/CFS was the result of an insult to the limbic system, located deep within the brain. The limbic system is involved with memory, emotion, and regulation of the autonomic nervous system. This last function is of critical importance to maintaining homeostasis in the body, as the autonomic nervous system regulates appetite, body temperature, blood pressure, blood sugar, sleep, wakefulness, heart rate, digestion – in short, nearly every physiological function necessary for maintaining life.

Dr. Goldstein’s theory, as laid out in his book, Betrayal by the Brain, was that ME/CFS is essentially a communication problem between the limbic system and the rest of the nervous system. His “limbic hypothesis” essentially states that no matter what the underlying cause of ME/CFS, the result is an injury to the limbic system, which subsequently causes widespread neuroimmune dysfunction. He identified ME/CFS as a “neurosomatic” illness, that is, a disorder of central nervous system processing. Dr. Goldstein based his theory on what he knew of the brain, which was substantial, as well as what he had observed of his patients’ reactions to various psychotropic medications. Recent studies have shown that in his approach Dr. Goldstein was far ahead of his time."





 

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- frequent ejaculation is associated with prostatitis, especially in young men
- frequent ejaculation is associated with prostate cancer, especially in young men
- have good, meaningful sex with your partner but don't watch and don't masturbate to porn
- if single, masturbate only as often as necessary to release sexual tension and don't watch porn; this frequency will vary with age, but no, it won't be at least 21 times a month as Men's Health magazine tells you;
- if you are young and healthy you may withstand multiple ejaculations, but if you are wise you should limit the unnecessary ones
- the seminal fluid has potent antibacterial properties through multiple mechanisms
- some but not all are zinc and magnesium dependent
- there is plenty of research on this from the 50s and 70s before the medical propaganda completely took over
- the seminal fluid does a lot more than simply harboring and delivering the sperm
- the prostate secretes small amounts of fluid continuously into the urethra (0.5-2 cc per hour, 12-48 cc per 24 hours); this acts as an antibacterial barrier in the urethra and is discharged usually from in the urine
- through repeated ejaculations you are diluting the quality of the seminal fluid
- bacteria is often found in semen samples from both healthy men and prostatitis sufferers; this is in line with Ray's opinion that if the organism is healthy bacteria don't pose a problem
- even when bacteria is found in the fluid, it turns out the prostatic tissue is almost never invaded
- antibiotic treatment almost never has any effect, except for a temporary one by lowering overall inflammation
- frequent ejaculation causes free radical and lactic acid accumulation in the pelvic region
- excessive activation of the endorphin and oxytocin system should be avoided
- endorphins activate histamine
- ejaculation floods your brain with prolactin
- in rats, frequent masturbation increases estrogen receptor density
- in rats, frequent masturbation lowers androgen receptors in the brain
- coomers criticize the no-fappers for their N=1 anecdotes, but the only evidence they can provide in support of their own addiction is the 2016 study recycled every year by the prestigious Men's Health magazine plus their own N=1

But I am open to new information, willing to change my mind if someone makes a good case in favor of being a coomer.
I did a lot of semen retention/no fap before, regardless of these factors, diet and nutrition, avoiding toxins, hormones, bad foods vaccines etc is still number 1, the healthier you are the more you can O with minimal issues,
 

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I did a lot of semen retention/no fap before, regardless of these factors, diet and nutrition, avoiding toxins, hormones, bad foods vaccines etc is still number 1, the healthier you are the more you can O with minimal issues,
Exactly nofap alone will do jack ***t if you don't change the other factors, I cringe now at the days when I would try to extend as long as possible of an abstinence streak without having much clue about other areas of my health and doing lots of intermittent fasting and not eating sugar, etc. it probably was worse off in the long run for me mentally and physically than if I had just followed my libido cycle naturally while keeping good health in other areas than abstaining without having a good routine in other areas of health
 

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Exactly nofap alone will do jack ***t if you don't change the other factors, I cringe now at the days when I would try to extend as long as possible of an abstinence streak without having much clue about other areas of my health and doing lots of intermittent fasting and not eating sugar, etc. it probably was worse off in the long run for me mentally and physically than if I had just followed my libido cycle naturally while keeping good health in other areas than abstaining without having a good routine in other areas of health
the healthier you are the more you can O with minimal issues,
Moreover, the healthier you are, the more you can indulge in anything with minimal issues. As we all agree, fixing any one factor does not help a lot when you're additionally being held back by several other factors. At the same time, it's kind of fallacious to think that being able to get away with a behavior which you used not to get away with must mean that the behavior in question is no longer harmful. Being now held back by fewer factors doesn't mean the individual factors have lost their negative influence -- only that the sum of their cumulative negative influence has diminished.

POIS is a legitimate pathology and many do suffer from it, but absence of POIS doesn't necessarily mean that masturbation is no longer detrimental, just that you're no longer paying such a heavy price for it. Yet, in the end, no lunch is free.
 

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Moreover, the healthier you are, the more you can indulge in anything with minimal issues. As we all agree, fixing any one factor does not help a lot when you're additionally being held back by several other factors. At the same time, it's kind of fallacious to think that being able to get away with a behavior which you used not to get away with must mean that the behavior in question is no longer harmful. Being now held back by fewer factors doesn't mean the individual factors have lost their negative influence -- only that the sum of their cumulative negative influence has diminished.

POIS is a legitimate thing and many do suffer from it, but absence of POIS doesn't necessarily mean that masturbation is no longer detrimental, just that you're no longer paying such a heavy price for it. Yet, in the end, no lunch is free.
ejaculation for men and pregnancy for females, are natural processes but they have costs, drawbacks associated with them... i think the key thing is as far as physical health and symptoms are concerned, it's ejaculation as a whole that causes issues not specific forms of it... like masturbation won't cause different effects than if someone else touches you anymore than food won't have different effects whether you put it in your mouth yourself or have someone else do it. the POIS people have issue with all forms of O. also, the lower your metabolism is the less desire and even less physical ability you'll have to O multiple times a day etc.
I think if you're comparing MO to sex with a partner, the main things are MO is more lonely, maybe more depressing, maybe from some perspectives immoral or more wasteful... but that's mostly it,
the act of O will always have costs, drawbacks, energy expenditure and resources costs, doesnt matter how you're achieving the O,
 
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Porn is the biggest problem. People don't realize the scale of it.
Xvideos has 3.5 billion visits monthly, xnxx 2.8 billion, pornhub 2.4 billion, xhamster 1.5 billion.
These are just the top 4, not mentioning the cam sites and the multitude of other niche sites.
 

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ejaculation for men and pregnancy for females, are natural processes but they have costs, drawbacks associated with them... i think the key thing is as far as physical health and symptoms are concerned, it's ejaculation as a whole that causes issues not specific forms of it... like masturbation won't cause different effects than if someone else touches you anymore than food won't have different effects whether you put it in your mouth yourself or have someone else do it. the POIS people have issue with all forms of O. also, the lower your metabolism is the less desire and even less physical ability you'll have to O multiple times a day etc.
I think if you're comparing MO to sex with a partner, the main things are MO is more lonely, maybe more depressing, maybe from some perspectives immoral or more wasteful... but that's mostly it,
the act of O will always have costs, drawbacks, energy expenditure and resources costs, doesnt matter how you're achieving the O,
You're right. Thank you for biting into this, I meant to speak of ejaculation in general. I have a habit of using masturbation and ejaculation interchangeably because recreational sex has so little relevance to my life.
 

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Does having sex everyday or multiple times a day (of course with ejaculation) be a different scenario or is it the same?

I also have a theory about not jacking off breeds rapists; not that I have a strong opinion about it, but just a thought -- what do you guys think?
 
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Does having sex everyday or multiple times a day (of course with ejaculation) be a different scenario or is it the same?

I also have a theory about not jacking off breeds rapists; not that I have a strong opinion about it, but just a thought -- what do you guys think?

Mr.Bollox answered it
the act of O will always have costs, drawbacks, energy expenditure and resources costs, doesnt matter how you're achieving the O
But if you are having sex multiple times a day naturally and with a partner, this means you are already in a good state of health and energy and able to withstand the energy cost. Otherwise you probably wouldn't be able to have a partner or make yourself attractive to someone in the first place. Sex is more meaningful with love, which involves the release of many other hormones which are likely protective. One study on prostate cancer risk found increased risk with masturbation frequency but not with sexual intercourse.
 

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Mr.Bollox answered it

But if you are having sex multiple times a day naturally and with a partner, this means you are already in a good state of health and energy and able to withstand the energy cost. Otherwise you probably wouldn't be able to have a partner or make yourself attractive to someone in the first place. Sex is more meaningful with love, which involves the release of many other hormones which are likely protective. One study on prostate cancer risk found increased risk with masturbation frequency but not with sexual intercourse.
mate I dont think that stuff is reliable its more correlation. it could be people in an unhealthy diseased state are more likely to be masturbating. if you're eating the same amount of food it shouldn't matter whether you put it in your mouth, a machine does or another person does. on the same note it wouldnt really matter whether you're stroking yourself or a machine is or another person is. obviously with the other person involved, in both scenarios, it would be more sensual having the other person there. but i dont think the hormonal release would change much...
 

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mate I dont think that stuff is reliable its more correlation. it could be people in an unhealthy diseased state are more likely to be masturbating. if you're eating the same amount of food it shouldn't matter whether you put it in your mouth, a machine does or another person does. on the same note it wouldnt really matter whether you're stroking yourself or a machine is or another person is. obviously with the other person involved, in both scenarios, it would be more sensual having the other person there. but i dont think the hormonal release would change much...
mate I dont think that stuff is reliable its more correlation. it could be people in an unhealthy diseased state are more likely to be masturbating. if you're eating the same amount of food it shouldn't matter whether you put it in your mouth, a machine does or another person does. on the same note it wouldnt really matter whether you're stroking yourself or a machine is or another person is. obviously with the other person involved, in both scenarios, it would be more sensual having the other person there. but i dont think the hormonal release would change much...
Hi mrbollox,for me,masturbation destroyed me in all aspects,sex dreams caused by androgens make me feel awesome during the dream and the day coming,interacting with women’s and having sex with women’s turn me into another lvl of energy manliness and frame of mind.masturbation seems to cause a severe estrogen/serotonin/prolactin/glutamate spyke for me
 
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mate I dont think that stuff is reliable its more correlation. it could be people in an unhealthy diseased state are more likely to be masturbating. if you're eating the same amount of food it shouldn't matter whether you put it in your mouth, a machine does or another person does. on the same note it wouldnt really matter whether you're stroking yourself or a machine is or another person is. obviously with the other person involved, in both scenarios, it would be more sensual having the other person there. but i dont think the hormonal release would change much...
There are a large number of books and medical articles on masturbation, written before the sexual revolution of the 60s when masturbation was still considered unhealthy. But they don't pop up so easily in search results. They were written in the early 1900s, some in 1800s and a few of them even 1700s, without going into the ancient writings on the subject. Some of them may have bits of religious dogma, but the large majority are based on empirical hard evidence, not on theory like the modern propaganda. The coomer's only arguments are "serotonin = good, endorphins = good, oxytocin = good, therefore masturbation = good". I haven't seen anything else in favor, so far.
 
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If mainstream medicine tells you something it's good, you can be sure the opposite is true.


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Planned parenthood, who would have thought...
 

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Hi mrbollox,for me,masturbation destroyed me in all aspects,sex dreams caused by androgens make me feel awesome during the dream and the day coming,interacting with women’s and having sex with women’s turn me into another lvl of energy manliness and frame of mind.masturbation seems to cause a severe estrogen/serotonin/prolactin/glutamate spyke for me
it can definitely change frame of mind ... in some cases masturbation may be a symptom of a larger problem. i think it comes down to are you masturbating by choice or do you want real sex but dont have options available. if you're in the latter stage then youd likely have many issues far beyond just sex vs masturbation. but on a general level the physical impact on hormones will likely be the same from sex vs masturbation, maybe there can be differences in hormonal responses depending on how quickly you release.

If mainstream medicine tells you something it's good, you can be sure the opposite is true.


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Planned parenthood, who would have thought...

but they say the exact same thing about sex,
the religious writings believe it's wrong due to moral, ethical, and mental reasons
 

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Mr.Bollox answered it

But if you are having sex multiple times a day naturally and with a partner, this means you are already in a good state of health and energy and able to withstand the energy cost. Otherwise you probably wouldn't be able to have a partner or make yourself attractive to someone in the first place. Sex is more meaningful with love, which involves the release of many other hormones which are likely protective. One study on prostate cancer risk found increased risk with masturbation frequency but not with sexual intercourse.
Thanks, that makes things clrearer to me!

What about my rapist theory (hahaha)?

I think people that become rapist doesn't have any sense of privacy in the life at all, where they could jack off privately -- so when hormones arise, the rapists disires.
 

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Does having sex everyday or multiple times a day (of course with ejaculation) be a different scenario or is it the same?

I also have a theory about not jacking off breeds rapists; not that I have a strong opinion about it, but just a thought -- what do you guys think?
For normal healthy people, it isn't an issue to fap whenever they have a build-up of horniness but it's a problem for those poor folks affected by the post-orgasmic illness syndrome and because of religious dogma and propaganda they are instead told to dangerously abstain for undefined periods of time without the pseudoscience advice spreading nofappers not realizing long term abstinence can be dangerous and give rise to deviancies too due to sexual repression and libido over buildup

But with that terrible brain fog, fatigue, etc. most POISers are kind of crippled cognitively for the 1-3 days after orgasming and in many cases symptoms remain even 7-14 days after

I have tried lots of foods, supplements, etc. none ever did anything for POIS I either abstain and feel better or I orgasm when my libido builds up but then I get screwed up for the days after

The only time my POIS disappeared was while sick with a cold in 2020 February for 3 days I had 2 orgasms and 1 nocturnal emission back then and zero symptoms of POIS and also felt more blood flow throughout my whole body and more pleasant sensation in the middle area of the genitals as if something had opened up that is never felt when my POIS is trigger-able

Still almost a decade later since the first time I developed this debilitating condition I am seeking answers

A D E K2 MK7, Aspirin, Antihistamines, Gingko, Ashwagandha, Tribulus, Horny Goat Weed, Zinc Picolinate, Selenium, Methylated B Vitamins Complex, Niacin flush sustained release, Milk Thistle, L-Theanine, Glycine, Taurine, Lysine, L-Tyrosine, Creatine, NAC, Tongkat Ali, Magnesium Glycinate - I literally tried all of that ***t both on their own and together and acutely and long term, LITERALLY ZERO CHANGE IN POIS AT ALL

My diet is perfect - eggs, raw milk, fruits, fruit juices, coffee, butter, meats, sausages, practically zero refined fake seed/vegetable oils, etc. etc. even gained weight went from 63kg to 73kg but ZERO change in POIS it does not matter how much or how little I eat, ***t, sleep, train, go out whatever - the symptoms always trigger in same strength/length each every single time in my life after a FULL EJACULATORY ORGASM (NEOs or edging give little to no POIS) but the moment I consciously orgasm or have a nocturnal emission it is like my brain function decreases by 60% I have this empty air-headed feeling, memory gets a lot worse, hard to comprehend stuff I am hearing and reading, etc.

The fact that a cold stopped it temporarily and that nutrition/sleep/exercise/lifestyle/sunbathing has got zero impact on it or whatsoever makes me believe that at least in my case the POIS root cause is either in the nervous system or brain or limbic system AND in immune system or both likely some type of neuroimmune disorder
 

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