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Now I can see why you keep falling for these ridiculous ideas; you are not a very careful reader. The article I linked to says that the United States has already adopted 9 of the 10 planks in the Communist Manifesto not that the US is 90% Communist. I’ll let you figure out the difference.

There is much overlap between the Utopian fantasies of the Anarchists and those of the Marxists but from what little you have written on your particular Utopia, you seem to owe more to the Marxists than the Anarchists. For example, your belief in a “parasitic class” that is sucking up all of the wealth is straight out of Das Kapital and a key part of Marxism. The Communists in the Soviet Union would send people to the Gulags under the charges of Social Parasitism.

Also your insistence that workers should be paid according to the risk they take or any other arbitrary measure rather than their free market value is also Marxist. That is a top down belief that would have to be imposed upon people whether they like it or not. Anarchism for the most part is bottom up, based upon self-governance and free association. Trying to impose your favored method of determining wages upon the people is the antithesis of Anarchism.

The 'article' is just more trash that caters to the paranoia and ignorance of a certain section of America. It's a shame so many people let themselves be duped with this kind of rubbish but it's an inevitable result of the narrow limits of acceptable conversation, particularly on the right wing. You aren't allowed to critisize employers, corporations or the military so you have to go looking for other bogeymen.

You see Marxists everywhere and leap on silly things in order to prove you've found one. In this case you appear convinced that any kind of objection to resource hoarding and exploitation by a ruling class began with Marx. If you honestly believe that then you need to read more history. A lot more. The beginning of the end of feudalism in Europe, for example.

As for taking the risk of certain work into account regarding pay, it's a limit of imagination to consider that's an argument by default for the imposition of rules from an authority. It's seen by many as simply another reason to up-end a certain arrangement and replace it with a better one.

You talk about utopian fantasies yet seem fond of free market mechanisms that have never existed and would result in massive economic collapse if they did.

People who dismiss anarchist ideas as utopian tend to just be projecting their helplessness.
 
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The 'article' is just more trash that caters to the paranoia and ignorance of a certain section of America. It's a shame so many people let themselves be duped with this kind of rubbish but it's an inevitable result of the narrow limits of acceptable conversation, particularly on the right wing. You aren't allowed to critisize employers, corporations or the military so you have to go looking for other bogeymen.

You see Marxists everywhere and leap on silly things in order to prove you've found one. In this case you appear convinced that any kind of objection to resource hoarding and exploitation by a ruling class began with Marx. If you honestly believe that then you need to read more history. A lot more. The beginning of the end of feudalism in Europe, for example.

As for taking the risk of certain work into account regarding pay, it's a limit of imagination to consider that's an argument by default for the imposition of rules from an authority. It's seen by many as simply another reason to up-end a certain arrangement and replace it with a better one.

You talk about utopian fantasies yet seem fond of free market mechanisms that have never existed and would result in massive economic collapse if they did.

People who dismiss anarchist ideas as utopian tend to just be projecting their helplessness.

Not only are you well past the Statute of Limitations on responding to my post, but given that you have failed to make even one real argument, I don’t really see the need to reply to what is basically a series of personal insults. My only advice to you is to stop wasting your time with tired old ideologies created by the elite to divide and confuse us. Anarchism, socialism, communism, Marxism are all elite sponsored fairy tales designed to destroy the rising middle classes and return us to the chains of feudalism. If you don’t understand how the elite rule by the dialectics of controlled oppositions you will never be able to see past the gladiatorial battle of a divided populace.

And btw I am anything but a right winger, nor am I exclusively a Fox News viewer. I like to watch the theater from a variety of seats in the house. Right wing Conservatives are also controlled by the ruling elite; the only difference is that their ideology is not quite as ridiculous as that of the anarchists.
 
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Not only are you well past the Statute of Limitations on responding to my post, but given that you have failed to make even one real argument, I don’t really see the need to reply to what is basically a series of personal insults. My only advice to you is to stop wasting your time with tired old ideologies created by the elite to divide and confuse us. Anarchism, socialism, communism, Marxism are all elite sponsored fairy tales designed to destroy the rising middle classes and return us to the chains of feudalism. If you don’t understand how the elite rule by the dialectics of controlled oppositions you will never be able to see past the gladiatorial battle of a divided populace.

And btw I am anything but a right winger, nor am I exclusively a Fox News viewer. I like to watch the theater from a variety of seats in the house. Right wing Conservatives are also controlled by the ruling elite; the only difference is that their ideology is not quite as ridiculous as that of the anarchists.

You recognize a ruling elite exists but reject the various philosophies which have thought up to challenge and ultimately dislodge them, and mostly by virtue of the belief that they're part of a grand conspiracy cooked up by the elite themselves.

What a conundrum to find yourself wrapped up in!

To acknowledge the fact that you're ruled by a priviledged class but you can't really do anything about it because all of the opposition is part of a shadowy psy-ops project :shock:
 

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You recognize a ruling elite exists but reject the various philosophies which have thought up to challenge and ultimately dislodge them, and mostly by virtue of the belief that they're part of a grand conspiracy cooked up by the elite themselves.

What a conundrum to find yourself wrapped up in!

To acknowledge the fact that you're ruled by a priviledged class but you can't really do anything about it because all of the opposition is part of a shadowy psy-ops project :shock:
Unfortunately reality doesn't change just because we are ignorant of it. The use of controlled opposition is an extremely powerful and effective strategy for social control and has been used for thousands of years by the ruling elite. The only way out of the conundrum is to first realize that it exists.

But don't just believe me.
"The huge amount of money the CIA had from the Marshall Plan allowed them, starting around 1950, to shape the culture and political movements in the US, providing carrots to complement the FBI’s sticks. Their biggest achievement has probably been to obliterate coherent thinking about the meaning of “left” and “right” in politics." Ray Peat

Of course some people are incapable of seeing the truth for what it is and never seem to question why nothing ever changes. So rest easy as I am sure there is another Occupy "This" or "Blank" Lives Matter movement waiting in the wings for you to follow without ever having to actually think for yourself.
 
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You recognize a ruling elite exists but reject the various philosophies which have thought up to challenge and ultimately dislodge them, and mostly by virtue of the belief that they're part of a grand conspiracy cooked up by the elite themselves.

What a conundrum to find yourself wrapped up in!

To acknowledge the fact that you're ruled by a priviledged class but you can't really do anything about it because all of the opposition is part of a shadowy psy-ops project :shock:

That's literally true though.

"The best way to defeat the opposition is to lead it yourself"
- josef stalin
 
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Trump supporters are idiots there I said it.
They're stupid enough to think politics are real.
They're stupid enough to think voting matters.
They're stupid enough to believe what politicians say.
They're stupid enough to get involved in a stupid spectacle that has nothing to do with them (unless they're illegal Mexicans)

I could go on and on...They're the type of idiots this country purposefully breeds so it can continue running the same scam generation after generation
 
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Not sure where to post this, but here's a reddit link with screen-shots from 4chan of a guy who claims to be an insider with regards to the Mueller's investigation.

He gives some concrete info that can be judged based on the events in the next few days, so if it's bull****, it will be easy to debunk.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1509/86/1509867703998.png

Oh come on. Do you think any of that is legit or that trump is the good guy?
 

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Oh come on. Do you think any of that is legit or that trump is the good guy?

"Good or Bad guy?" is an oversimplification.

Trump is self-serving while beholden to no party or special-interests, which is essentially unheard-of in modern politics.

As for the integrity of the info in that link, I have no idea, but posted it because it has some hard-figures which can be quantified in the coming days.

Cheers!:D
 

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As for the integrity of the info in that link, I have no idea, but posted it because it has some hard-figures which can be quantified in the coming days.
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Oh come on. Do you think any of that is legit or that trump is the good guy?

In the past couple of days, we have had a Saudi Prince and many members of his cabinet arrested, then later, a helicopter crash killing 8 Saudi officials. In the US, the Antifa planned riots didn't happen, but then there is a shooting in a Texas church, and an assault on Senator Rand Paul (worse than originally reported). The President's Twitter account is also disabled "accidentally" for 11 minutes. Meanwhile, Donna Brazile comes out and airs all sorts of dirty laundry on the DNC, and HRC continues her loser lap (the opposite of a victory lap). That's four major, major stories in a weekend, and two pretty big ones. If the guy is just making stuff up, well, he picked an excellent time to post that.
 
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This might be my favorite new conspiracy theory:

Are Hillary and McCain wearing ankle monitors?:rolleyes:

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A youtube video showed up tonight and the person who posted it said that a Marine Expeditionary Unit landed at Langley (CIA HQ).

This may be an important part of the Storm that Trumped talked about. Check Twitter for #Storm or #TheStorm or #QAnon or #WhoIsQanon
 
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There are rumblings that videos will be released on Monday regarding Uranium One.....................smoking gun footage.
 

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Trump is self-serving while beholden to no party or special-interests

All Trump cares about is being president, so he is beholden to those who elected them. He knows what they want and behaves to please them. He himself stands for nothing... he would have run as a democrat if he saw the opportunity. I don't know how anyone can watch this lifetime slick con-man talk talk about conservative values and not want to vomit.
 
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