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Thank you for the info. Any suggestions on good gelatinous meats or specific cuts? Preferably more inexpensive cuts so I can source from my grass fed butcher at the farmers market. Boiled right? Not raw
If the animal is grassfed, you won't go wrong. Also, the C to P ratio is key so consider that whenever the dog is consuming meat. If you boil the meat, consider the broth that comes with it. Another way to make sure the dog is getting a well rounded source of protein, which in itself, will be more wholesome for the dog.

A little coconut oil is something else can be good for them on occasion.

All good stuff suggested and tried on this thread.
 

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I've fed dogs mashed potatoes, eggs, milk, and ice cream. If they eat a pure meat diet it isn't good for them. You can get gelatinous cuts very cheaply and boil them if you have a butcher.

Ray Peat recently mentioned in an interview he knew someone whose dog lost an eye in a fight and he put it on a pure milk diet and its eye regenerated because of the milk diet
Can I ask why a pure meat diet isn’t good for them?
 

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Can I ask why a pure meat diet isn’t good for them?
I think it's like beastmode alluded to, if they eat only meat they are getting excessive phosphate to calcium ratio, it should be a 1:1 ratio or more favoring calcium just like in humans. I also think dogs do better when they get sugar in their diet and will be healthier, smarter, and live longer
>Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Jun;288(6):E1160-7. Inclusion of low amounts of fructose with an intraportal glucose load increases net hepatic glucose uptake in the presence of relative insulin deficiency in dog. Shiota M, Galassetti P, Igawa K, Neal DW, Cherrington AD
-Glucose and sucrose for diabetes.

This interview has a lot of good info about the calcium:phosphate ratio and how it relates to health. I think all the points would apply to dogs;
KMUD: Phosphate And Calcium Metablolism (2012)
So does this article: Phosphate, activation, and aging.

When they're fed meat diets it is often just muscle meat, which would provide an inflammatory proportion of amino acids;
Tryptophan, serotonin, and aging
Cheetahs In Captivity Die Early Due To High PUFA / Low Glycine Diet

So it seems the reason dog's lives are so short is because of their diet
 
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I think it's like beastmode alluded to, if they eat only meat they are getting excessive phosphate to calcium ratio, it should be a 1:1 ratio or more favoring calcium just like in humans. I also think dogs do better when they get sugar in their diet and will be healthier, smarter, and live longer
>Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Jun;288(6):E1160-7. Inclusion of low amounts of fructose with an intraportal glucose load increases net hepatic glucose uptake in the presence of relative insulin deficiency in dog. Shiota M, Galassetti P, Igawa K, Neal DW, Cherrington AD
-Glucose and sucrose for diabetes.

This interview has a lot of good info about the calcium:phosphate ratio and how it relates to health. I think all the points would apply to dogs;
KMUD: Phosphate And Calcium Metablolism (2012)
So does this article: Phosphate, activation, and aging.

When they're fed meat diets it is often just muscle meat, which would provide an inflammatory proportion of amino acids;
Tryptophan, serotonin, and aging
Cheetahs In Captivity Die Early Due To High PUFA / Low Glycine Diet

So it seems the reason dog's lives are so short is because of their diet
Most dogs aren’t fed decent meat though, usually kibble that’s full of carbs..or tinned crap that’s also full of other types of rubbish. Wish I knew what to do for the best-I feed my dogs a raw diet but a do add eggshell powder for extra calcium and they do have bits of fruit. Do you think I would be better off not doing the raw?
 

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I think it's like beastmode alluded to, if they eat only meat they are getting excessive phosphate to calcium ratio, it should be a 1:1 ratio or more favoring calcium just like in humans. I also think dogs do better when they get sugar in their diet and will be healthier, smarter, and live longer
>Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Jun;288(6):E1160-7. Inclusion of low amounts of fructose with an intraportal glucose load increases net hepatic glucose uptake in the presence of relative insulin deficiency in dog. Shiota M, Galassetti P, Igawa K, Neal DW, Cherrington AD
-Glucose and sucrose for diabetes.

This interview has a lot of good info about the calcium:phosphate ratio and how it relates to health. I think all the points would apply to dogs;
KMUD: Phosphate And Calcium Metablolism (2012)
So does this article: Phosphate, activation, and aging.

When they're fed meat diets it is often just muscle meat, which would provide an inflammatory proportion of amino acids;
Tryptophan, serotonin, and aging
Cheetahs In Captivity Die Early Due To High PUFA / Low Glycine Diet

So it seems the reason dog's lives are so short is because of their diet
Good finds.

I can't wait to get a dog from puppy stage throughout life on this approach. I had a great success with my family's dogs at an older age.

They devoured the bone broth from the gelatinous meat cuts I would make them. A great way to balance out the amino acid balance and keep inflammation minimal.
 

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I've been eating cooked green leaves for a while already. One that I like is the malabar nightshade, which Filipinos call alugbati.

A kitten that I started caring for has taken a liking to eat. She won't eat other green leaves though, like carrot tops.

I was amazed she took a liking to it, even with the vinegar I always have it with.

There's plenty of clacium and magnesium in green leaves, and they're absorbed well when cooked well.
 

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Most dogs aren’t fed decent meat though, usually kibble that’s full of carbs..or tinned crap that’s also full of other types of rubbish. Wish I knew what to do for the best-I feed my dogs a raw diet but a do add eggshell powder for extra calcium and they do have bits of fruit. Do you think I would be better off not doing the raw?

I feed the same as you - Raw with fruit adding eggshell calcium. I also switch between adding milk or gelatin / bone broth
 

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Don't feed a dog anything but meat. No wheat, no dairy, no chocolate. Dead animals only.
 

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I feed the same as you - Raw with fruit adding eggshell calcium. I also switch between adding milk or gelatin / bone broth
Thanks..my dogs seem to do ok on it..tho the one is a bit overweight-typical pug! I also don’t vaccinate or use chemical worming or flea treatments
 

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Apparently don’t get that in the UK..one of my dogs is nearly 8 years old and hasn’t suffered any ailments in all the time I’ve had her
Doesn't the necessity for something like heartworm medication require certain weather conditions?

I can't find the source, but I recall something around areas where there's seasonal change, not sure exactly what it was, make it less likely to get heartworm.
 

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Doesn't the necessity for something like heartworm medication require certain weather conditions?

I can't find the source, but I recall something around areas where there's seasonal change, not sure exactly what it was, make it less likely to get heartworm.
No idea..I just try to keep their life as natural as possible-they’ve only ever had fleas once and they were bought into the house by the cat..even then I treated with baths, combing and garlic-not chemicals
 

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No idea..I just try to keep their life as natural as possible-they’ve only ever had fleas once and they were bought into the house by the cat..even then I treated with baths, combing and garlic-not chemicals
It's nice to hear of success in having no vaccination in dogs. The fear element is what leads us people into vaccination, and the same element is involved in dog vaccination. I've read one of Dr. Pitcairn's books, and he says that for example cats very, very rarely get rabies, and yet they are vaccinated for rabies. I'm not sure about the case with dogs, but it's the uncertainty of remote possibilities and the fear of the misfortune of the luck of the draw that the .0001% chance hits you, and you get sued a million dollars by your neighbor, that you have to protect yourself from the law than the virus that you submit to vaccination - of your pets.

But what is the real story about heartworms? Is it, like COVID, just another hoax? We don't know because maybe, just maybe- a more even-handed and science-based, and not propaganda masked as science, understanding of it has long been censored from the public.
 

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It's nice to hear of success in having no vaccination in dogs. The fear element is what leads us people into vaccination, and the same element is involved in dog vaccination. I've read one of Dr. Pitcairn's books, and he says that for example cats very, very rarely get rabies, and yet they are vaccinated for rabies. I'm not sure about the case with dogs, but it's the uncertainty of remote possibilities and the fear of the misfortune of the luck of the draw that the .0001% chance hits you, and you get sued a million dollars by your neighbor, that you have to protect yourself from the law than the virus that you submit to vaccination - of your pets.

But what is the real story about heartworms? Is it, like COVID, just another hoax? We don't know because maybe, just maybe- a more even-handed and science-based, and not propaganda masked as science, understanding of it has long been censored from the public.
Rabies is something that is not vaccinated for either here in the UK..I know it’s different elsewhere. The rate of cancer in dogs is so high now and I’m sure it’s connected to an excess of vaccinations, flea and worming meds. My youngest pug who is now 2 was so poorly in the first couple of weeks that I had her and I’m sure it was down to the flea and worming medication she had been given before I picked her up-I’ve never given her anything since and I built up her immunity gradually by taking her out and socialising her with other dogs. Maybe I’ve been lucky but she’s happy and healthy!
 

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Rabies is something that is not vaccinated for either here in the UK..I know it’s different elsewhere. The rate of cancer in dogs is so high now and I’m sure it’s connected to an excess of vaccinations, flea and worming meds. My youngest pug who is now 2 was so poorly in the first couple of weeks that I had her and I’m sure it was down to the flea and worming medication she had been given before I picked her up-I’ve never given her anything since and I built up her immunity gradually by taking her out and socialising her with other dogs. Maybe I’ve been lucky but she’s happy and healthy!
It's good to know that. The law must love pets more than humans there.
 

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Doesn't the necessity for something like heartworm medication require certain weather conditions?

I can't find the source, but I recall something around areas where there's seasonal change, not sure exactly what it was, make it less likely to get heartworm.
“The relationship between constant ambient temperature and maturation rate of heartworm microfilariae to the infective third larval stage within the mosquito intermediate host is essentially linear between 65°F (18°C) and 86°F (30°C). When regressed against the calculated average daily temperature in a 24-hour diurnal cycle, approximately the same rate of development occurs. For development to even begin, a threshold of 57°F (14°C) must be exceeded. Larvae withm the mosquito are more cold tolerant than the intermediate host itself. Consequently, when the ambient temperature is below the developmental threshold, maturation will be only tempo- rarily suspended until warmer conditions resume. The critical denominator ts the cumulative amount of heat required to complete the incubation. This heat requirement can be ex- pressed in degree days, also referred to as heartworm develop- ment units (HDUs) m excess of the 57°F threshold tempera- ture.4 On average, a total of 234 HDUs on the Fahrenheit scale (130°C) are needed to support development of microfilarlae to transmissible infective larvae. This cumulative threshold can be reached in as few as 8 days when the average daily temperature is 86°F but take as long as a month when it is as low as 65°E~The model we have adopted assumes that an infected mosquito in the wild is unlikely to survive longer than 30 days.”
 

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“The relationship between constant ambient temperature and maturation rate of heartworm microfilariae to the infective third larval stage within the mosquito intermediate host is essentially linear between 65°F (18°C) and 86°F (30°C). When regressed against the calculated average daily temperature in a 24-hour diurnal cycle, approximately the same rate of development occurs. For development to even begin, a threshold of 57°F (14°C) must be exceeded. Larvae withm the mosquito are more cold tolerant than the intermediate host itself. Consequently, when the ambient temperature is below the developmental threshold, maturation will be only tempo- rarily suspended until warmer conditions resume. The critical denominator ts the cumulative amount of heat required to complete the incubation. This heat requirement can be ex- pressed in degree days, also referred to as heartworm develop- ment units (HDUs) m excess of the 57°F threshold tempera- ture.4 On average, a total of 234 HDUs on the Fahrenheit scale (130°C) are needed to support development of microfilarlae to transmissible infective larvae. This cumulative threshold can be reached in as few as 8 days when the average daily temperature is 86°F but take as long as a month when it is as low as 65°E~The model we have adopted assumes that an infected mosquito in the wild is unlikely to survive longer than 30 days.”
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where I live, heartworm is seasonal and starts with the summer months. It is very common here for dogs left outside...they get bit by mosquitoes. The heartworm test is done every year, and if they have a positive test they are treated with heartworm drugs. The drugs are not always needed but if they have heartworm, they must get rid of it.
 

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