Does whey protein contain enzymes like some cheeses? how does it compare to dried milk powder?

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some cheeses contain "microbial enzymes" "enzymes" "vegetable rennet" which Peat and others have talked about are very risky and allergenic even more so than citric acid

if youre looking at dried milk powders/casein/whey, would dry milk powder be safest and least processed?

I heard most whey proteins on the market are filtered/separated from milk using enzymes...
yet whey protein powders never list enzymes in the ingredients (unless its protease enzymes added to assist digestion), they only mention enzymes being used in the production process
where do those enzymes end up, do they all remain with the casein/cheese portion, hence the numerous cheeses with enzymes in the ingredients?

or do some of these enzymes remain in the whey portion, and are responsible for side effects and bloating that occurs with whey protein powders even if it's powders without any sunflower/soy lecithin, or sweeteners or flavors.

is skim milk powder the safest bet?
in the US, reduced fat/skim milks are required to be vitamin fortified with A and D, and basically always have fillers like propylene glycol and polysorbate 80 as preservatives for the vitamin mixture and emulsifiers to blend them evenly into the milk

but apparently, this vitamin fortification requirement doesn't apply to ice creams, yogurts, cheeses, whey protein powders, casein powders, and apparently not dried milk powders either.
there seem to be skim milk powders on the market which don't contain added vitamins. Using these would be a way to get some skim milk without the vitamin fortification, as well as without the liquid which can be problematic if trying to get 100 grams+ protein from milk. you can just blend the milk powder with orange juice or pomegranate or other juice and honey.

the skim milk powders seem less processed than the casein/whey powders, which seem to require processing in order to separate the powder into whey or casein. and the biggest concern is if there are enzymes leftover in the whey/casein powder products. I haven't seen any whey or casein powders made using animal rennet. some may be made using heat and some supposedly use "acid" not sure if that means HCL like animal stomach acid or what. but the whey protein companies actually prefer using enzymes, because they argue the acid and heat processing methods for whey production denature the proteins whereas the enzyme method is "cold processed" and doesnt denature the protein.

this website talks about it, and this protein seems very good quality, its from A2 cows(may not matter much since its a whey) its organic, 100% grass fed


however when I tried their non organic whey, it seemed to bloat me up, more than other wheys I have had which actually contain things like sucralose, flavorings, xanthan gum and soy lecithin! I just cant understand why/how a high quality unflavored whey protein would cause more bloating and digestion issues than a flavored, sweetened, soy lecithin fortified one! maybe its that the other one was heat processed instead of enzyme processed

Q: Is Raw Organic WheyTM acid treated?
A: No, Raw Organic WheyTM is sweet processed using enzymes to separate the whey from the fat. No harmful chemicals or acids are used which denature the amino acids.*

Q: Is Raw Organic WheyTM processed at low temperatures?
A: Yes, Raw Organic WheyTM is processed at low temperatures to protect the nutrients in their natural state. Most other whey is heat processed which makes the whey acidic, nutritionally deficient & damages the immuno-supportive micronutrients and amino acids.*
 

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Here's the scoop (pun intended) on whey protein powders: Inexpensive whey protein powders, which are simply freeze-dried liquid whey, may contain significant amounts of cholesterol, most of which will be oxidized. Oxidized cholesterol is best avoided.Jun 7, 2011
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Here's the scoop (pun intended) on whey protein powders: Inexpensive whey protein powders, which are simply freeze-dried liquid whey, may contain significant amounts of cholesterol, most of which will be oxidized. Oxidized cholesterol is best avoided.Jun 7, 2011
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whats the issue with oxidized cholesterol, wouldnt pasteurized milk/liver have oxidized cholesterol, as well as dried milk powder?
 

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Hi Mr. B, Here are a couple of links on oxidized cholesterol in foods.

I have found that the only truly safe whey product is traditional non pasteurized raw dairy whey in its natural liquid form; either from cheese/yoghurt making or directly from the natural separation of liquid raw milk - grass fed, and from a reliable source.

Cholesterol oxides and carcinogenesis
R J Morin 1 , B Hu, S K Peng, A Sevanian


Cholesterol oxidation products are present in different biological pathways and in oxidized cholesterol-containing food. More than 70 molecules have been identified and most of them present cytotoxic, atherogenic, mutagenic, and carcinogenic effects. They can change important characteristics of the cellular membrane and inhibit the biosynthesis of several molecules. Foods of animal origin can develop these derivatives by the action of oxygen, heat, polyunsaturated fatty acids, water, pH, radiation, and inadequate packaging and storage, affecting their quality and exposing consumers to potential health problems. Despite the interest in cholesterol oxidation products, safe biological levels for them have not yet been established. The purpose of this review is to examine cholesterol oxidation products in foods and examine their importance for human health.

 
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Hi Mr. B, Here are a couple of links on oxidized cholesterol in foods.

I have found that the only truly safe whey product is traditional non pasteurized raw dairy whey in its natural liquid form; either from cheese/yoghurt making or directly from the natural separation of liquid raw milk - grass fed, and from a reliable source.

Cholesterol oxides and carcinogenesis
R J Morin 1 , B Hu, S K Peng, A Sevanian


Cholesterol oxidation products are present in different biological pathways and in oxidized cholesterol-containing food. More than 70 molecules have been identified and most of them present cytotoxic, atherogenic, mutagenic, and carcinogenic effects. They can change important characteristics of the cellular membrane and inhibit the biosynthesis of several molecules. Foods of animal origin can develop these derivatives by the action of oxygen, heat, polyunsaturated fatty acids, water, pH, radiation, and inadequate packaging and storage, affecting their quality and exposing consumers to potential health problems. Despite the interest in cholesterol oxidation products, safe biological levels for them have not yet been established. The purpose of this review is to examine cholesterol oxidation products in foods and examine their importance for human health.


Doesn’t cooking meat, or pasteurizing milk oxidize the cholesterol also? They may have much more oxidized cholesterol than whey since i would imagine some of the cholesterol gets filtered out of the whey as the fats are filtered out?
 

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