Does Germany Prove Peat Wrong?

[UltraSuperior]

I think I am one of the only Germans on this forum.

Basically, almost every single product you buy at a grocery store in Germany contains rapsöl(rapeseed oil --> canola oil). Like, seriously. There is canola oil in like 99% of German food items. If anything has oil in it, it will have canola oil. Yet it is still one of the most productive countries in Europe and many people here look healthy and good.

How can this be explained? Honestly, since almost everything contains canola oil I find it hard to even believe that PUFAs can be so bad.

 

[ecstatichamster]

I totally understand. Germans are big and tall these days too, taller than Americans and not as fat. I was struck by the number of tall younger men on my visit to Berlin recently.

I think there are other issues at work here.

However.

I think old German people who are healthy and active may not consume so much canola oil as you are saying.

Japan — same thing. Lots of fried foods. All fried in vegetable oil. But the old people aren’t eating those foods, I noticed.

I travel a lot and observe what people eat and usually what they eat at home too. I find older people have diets that are dramatically better than the young people.

 

[UltraSuperior]

I totally understand. Germans are big and tall these days too, taller than Americans and not as fat. I was struck by the number of tall younger men on my visit to Berlin recently.

I think there are other issues at work here.

However.

I think old German people who are healthy and active may not consume so much canola oil as you are saying.

Japan — same thing. Lots of fried foods. All fried in vegetable oil. But the old people aren’t eating those foods, I noticed.

I travel a lot and observe what people eat and usually what they eat at home too. I find older people have diets that are dramatically better than the young people.

Exactly. So Germans are tall and big and the strongest economy in Europe while every food item contains PUFAs. Or is your theory that the old generation had a good diet, with good epigenetics, which is the foundation of the current generation?

It's very hard to avoid PUFA in Germany. I don't even know if its worth it any longer, since apparently everyone here eats PUFA daily and is fine.

 

[tankasnowgod]

I think I am one of the only Germans on this forum.

Basically, almost every single product you buy at a grocery store in Germany contains rapsöl(rapeseed oil --> canola oil). Like, seriously. There is canola oil in like 99% of German food items. If anything has oil in it, it will have canola oil. Yet it is still one of the most productive countries in Europe and many people here look healthy and good.

How can this be explained? Honestly, since almost everything contains canola oil I find it hard to even believe that PUFAs can be so bad.

First, there are always problems looking at countrywide data, but even acknowledging that.....

Canola Oil is about 28% PUFA, which is quite a bit higher than traditional and tropical oils, but not nearly as high as other commonly used "vegetable" oils. Soybean, Corn, Cottenseed and Sunflower are all between 50-65% PUFA. Use of Soybean oil has really exploded in the past few decades. Canola is a better oil than all of those, although it would probably be best described as "less harmful."

You can easily compare amounts on the Wikipedia page for Vegetable Oils- Vegetable oil - Wikipedia

In addition to this, Germany does not mandate "Iron Fortification."

While the German diet likely has it's problems, it would likely look pretty good compared to a lot of other western countries, especially the UK, US, and Canada.

 

[Nebula]

I think I am one of the only Germans on this forum.

Basically, almost every single product you buy at a grocery store in Germany contains rapsöl(rapeseed oil --> canola oil). Like, seriously. There is canola oil in like 99% of German food items. If anything has oil in it, it will have canola oil. Yet it is still one of the most productive countries in Europe and many people here look healthy and good.

How can this be explained? Honestly, since almost everything contains canola oil I find it hard to even believe that PUFAs can be so bad.

I’ve wondered if canola oil is a less harmful seed oil. I’ve always attributed poor American/Mexican health more to Soybean oil and high fructose corn syrup in processed foods when it comes to diet. Those are the most common ingredients in a lot of processed food here. Wheat and dairy are also contaminated with glyphosate pesticides in the US.

How long has canola been consumed in Germany? Soybean oil began being consumed in the 70’s in the US, the effects on health seemed to have lagged behind by a decade or two.

 

[tankasnowgod]

How long has canola been consumed in Germany? Soybean oil began being consumed in the 70’s in the US, the effects on health seemed to have lagged behind by a decade or two.

The use of Soybean Oil has dramatically increased since the 70s, too-

 

[Herbie]

Everything in Australia is rape seed oil too and Australia invented wifi for example.

 

[yerrag]

Aren't Germans already tall to begin with? So a good basis would be to compare Germans of past generations to present ones. Especially to those generations that were fed on butter and used beef tallow. And when paints used seed oils as carriers instead of synthetic polymers, such that seed oils were not promoted as healthful, and saturated oils were not maligned.

What are the cancer statistics then? What about longevity with effects of war accounted for?

 

[shine]

Exactly. So Germans are tall and big and the strongest economy in Europe while every food item contains PUFAs. Or is your theory that the old generation had a good diet, with good epigenetics, which is the foundation of the current generation?

It's very hard to avoid PUFA in Germany. I don't even know if its worth it any longer, since apparently everyone here eats PUFA daily and is fine.

Actually super easy. Just don't eat processed foods.

 

[lampofred]

Peat wrote in his dissertation that high progesterone increases brain growth relative to body growth and that shorter people often have greater longevity and metabolic rate per gram of body tissue.

I don't know much about Germany but Japan which was mentioned earlier as an example of a country with high consumption of vegetable oil has a major problem with hikikomori (reclusive social withdrawal) and there is some really extreme porn coming out of that country, which both point to major estrogen/serotonin dominance problems. I don't think the younger people are healthy at all, even though the economic stats might seem fine.

 

[yerrag]

Peat wrote in his dissertation that high progesterone increases brain growth relative to body growth.

So high metabolic health brings out intelligence, and perhaps that's why Germany no longer produces composers that are as good as the countless many made in the past. Not just composers though but brilliant scientists.

And inventors. Even unschooled ones.

 

[aussiebaldguy]

I think I am one of the only Germans on this forum.

Basically, almost every single product you buy at a grocery store in Germany contains rapsöl(rapeseed oil --> canola oil). Like, seriously. There is canola oil in like 99% of German food items. If anything has oil in it, it will have canola oil. Yet it is still one of the most productive countries in Europe and many people here look healthy and good.

How can this be explained? Honestly, since almost everything contains canola oil I find it hard to even believe that PUFAs can be so bad.

1. Crime is up
2. Rape is up

Its only a matter of time before people get sick

Are not PUFAs good for creating an easily managed mass of people..dunno where i read that

 

[yerrag]

Yet it is still one of the most productive countries in Europe and many people here look healthy and good.

Missed this one. Do people on a mind-meld become more productive? Aren't borgs more productive. Just doing. Not thinking as much. Does this not risk it becoming a country of 'yes' people, having more abeisance to authoritarian dictates? More sycophancy? Less given to creative thought. Less critical. More easily swayed by propaganda.

 

[oldfriend]

I don't know why economic productivity, innovation, or the kind of intellect referred to here are indicators of good health?

 

[ecstatichamster]

Exactly. So Germans are tall and big and the strongest economy in Europe while every food item contains PUFAs. Or is your theory that the old generation had a good diet, with good epigenetics, which is the foundation of the current generation?

It's very hard to avoid PUFA in Germany. I don't even know if its worth it any longer, since apparently everyone here eats PUFA daily and is fine.

Yes, my theory is that older people eat a much better diet. True in Japan and Germany. I doubt today’s young people will live nearly as long or as well.

 

[jacob]

You can be productive and not be healthy

The premise of this thread is awful

 

[ecstatichamster]

The Japanese diet adhered to by elderly Japanese is much better than the one adhered to today by younger people. I’m sure it’s the same in Germany. I doubt the old Germans eat the garbage foods.

The “1975 Diet” and the Secret of Japanese Longevity

 

[Homo Consumericus]

First, there are always problems looking at countrywide data, but even acknowledging that.....

Canola Oil is about 28% PUFA, which is quite a bit higher than traditional and tropical oils, but not nearly as high as other commonly used "vegetable" oils. Soybean, Corn, Cottenseed and Sunflower are all between 50-65% PUFA. Use of Soybean oil has really exploded in the past few decades. Canola is a better oil than all of those, although it would probably be best described as "less harmful."

You can easily compare amounts on the Wikipedia page for Vegetable Oils- Vegetable oil - Wikipedia

In addition to this, Germany does not mandate "Iron Fortification."

While the German diet likely has it's problems, it would likely look pretty good compared to a lot of other western countries, especially the UK, US, and Canada.

Thanks for the link. While I still think rapeseed oil is a comparatively poor option, if the numbers are correct and barring additional non-PUFA related toxic properties, I would now consider an occasional processed food containing safflower oil as potentially permissible.

 

[Homo Consumericus]

Oh, and Germans are short.

We are tall.

 

[yerrag]

I don't know why economic productivity, innovation, or the kind of intellect referred to here are indicators of good health?

Economic productivity due to less downtime due to better health?

Innovation and creativity due to a well-developed intellect due to excess metabolic energy being used to further develop the brain.