Did Peat Foods Cause You to Become Peatian?

[j.]

if was just something that doesn't come out well on the internet. my version of NWO laughing at the sheep around us.

 

[kiran]

(Notice: I never said anything against the possible health benefits. )

Although I'm starting to get the feeling that I will exhaust myself from the effort...
How do you draw the distinction between Peat and Healthy food ?

 

[cliff]

It would seem to me to be a plain objective fact that
Ray Peat food is not the most delicious diet on the planet
to most people.
Now...it may be to some of us.
But not to most people.
Not even close.
Not even in the running!

You realize you can eat almost anything on a peat diet? The diet danny roddy made up isn't "the peat diet"

 

[narouz]

(Notice: I never said anything against the possible health benefits. )

Although I'm starting to get the feeling that I will exhaust myself from the effort...
How do you draw the distinction between Peat and Healthy food ?

I'm not drawing that distinction, kiran.
I think Peat foods are Healthy foods.

I just do not assume that
all Delicious foods will be Healthy foods.
Similarly, I do not assume that Peat foods are the only delicious foods.

 

[narouz]

It would seem to me to be a plain objective fact that
Ray Peat food is not the most delicious diet on the planet
to most people.
Now...it may be to some of us.
But not to most people.
Not even close.
Not even in the running!

You realize you can eat almost anything on a peat diet? The diet danny roddy made up isn't "the peat diet"

Cliff-
Are you sure you wouldn't like to add
that
"there is no Peat diet"...? :)

Danny R. has said that there is no Peat diet
So, I guess it wouldn't make much sense for him to "make up" a diet
then call it "the peat diet."

But, despite that rhetoric,
Roddy has spent a lot of space
describing specific kinds of food
which he interprets (generally correctly, I think) to be
Peatian, healthy foods.
In my book,
and in Merriam-Webster's book,
that is a diet,
a Peatian diet.

And yes, semantically you are correct,
that "you can eat almost anything on a peat diet,"
insofar as you can eat almost anything
on any diet.
You'd be breaking the diet
but, yes, nobody would put you in jail
if you decided you wanted to eat foods not on a diet.

I am aware that Peat has not put out a cookbook or primer
with his smiling face on it
selling for $30
called "The Ray Peat Diet."
But that to me is not evidence that there is no Peat diet,
nor apparently is it evidence to most of the posters here
who I would venture to say are under the impression
that they are trying to eat a Peat diet.
Unless there is a mass hallucination afoot,
I think they are correct.

I am also aware that, somewhere,
in what would seem to be a rather isolated elocution,
Peat said:
“My recommendation is to eat to increase the metabolic rate (usually temperature and heart rate), rather than any particular foods.”
That statement is seized upon
by some to try to argue that there is no Peat diet.
But, after Dr. Peat made that statement,
if you had asked him:
"Well Dr. Peat, how do I raise my metabolism?,"
I think his answer would have to contain this advice
(unless he wanted us to ignore
his thousands of pages of writing and hundreds of hours of interviews
on the subject of foods and metabolism):
"Eat the right kinds of food."
Peatian foods, in other words.
When one eats certain kinds of foods
and avoids others for health reasons,
that is called a diet.

And Peat does not shy away from using the word "diet"
in referring to the foods he recommends:

Peat Quotations Using the Word “Diet” to Recommend a Set of Foods Good for Health

1. The amount of polyunsaturated fatty acids often said to be essential (Holman, 1981) is approximately the amount required to significantly increase the incidence of cancer, and very careful food selection is needed for a diet that provides a lower amount. –Ray Peat, Unsaturated fatty acids: Nutritionally essential, or toxic?

2. "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption. In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."--Ray Peat, PhD

Furthermore ,
Peat makes many general statements which paint in pretty clearly
the rough outlines of a Peat diet:

Peat Generalizing about Diet without Specific, Individual Context

1. “There isn't anything wrong with a high carbohydrate diet, and even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health, but when better foods are available they should be used instead of starches.”-Ray Peat, “Glycemia, Starch, and Sugar in Context”

2. A daily intake of 100 grams of gelatin wouldn't seem unreasonable, and some people find that quantities in that range help to decrease fatigue. For a growing child, though, such a large amount of refined gelatin would tend to displace other important foods. The National Academy of Sciences recently reviewed the requirements for working adults (male and female soldiers, in particular), and suggested that 100 grams of balanced protein was needed for efficient work. For adults, a large part of that could be in the form of gelatin. –Ray Peat, “Gelatin, Stress, Longevity”

3. “I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption. In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements.”-Ray Peat, “Diabetes, Scleroderma, Oils and Hormones”

4. “It's better to take your protein during the day, sugar and fat in the evening. The powdered protein lacks most of the nutrients, so you probably need some fruit, eggs, and liver, for the other nutrients, including potassium and magnesium. .”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

5. “Milk, cheese, and fruits provide a very good balance of nutrients. Fruits provide a significant amount of protein. Plain sugar is o.k. when the other nutrients are adequate. Roots, shoots, and tubers are, next to the fruits, a good carbohydrate source; potatoes are a source of good protein. Meat as the main protein can provide too much phosphorus in relation to calcium."-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html


6. “Sugar helps the liver to make cholesterol, switching from starchy vegetables to sweet fruits will usually bring cholesterol levels up to normal. If the fat is mostly saturated, from milk, cheese, butter, beef, lamb or coconut oil, I think it's usually o.k. to get about 50% of the calories from fat, but since those natural fats typically contain around 2% polyunsaturated fats, I try to minimize my PUFA intake by having more fruit, and a little less fat, maybe 30 to 35%.”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

7. “People can do well on high or low fat or carbohydrate, but when the carbohydrate is very low, some of the protein will be wasted as fuel, replacing the missing glucose.”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

8. “A daily diet that includes two quarts of milk and a quart of orange juice provides enough fructose and other sugars for general resistance to stress, but larger amounts of fruit juice, honey, or other sugars can protect against increased stress, and can reverse some of the established degenerative conditions..”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

9. Muscle meats (including the muscles of poultry and fish) contain large amounts of the amino acids that suppress the thyroid, and shouldn't be the only source of protein. It's a good idea to have a quart of milk (about 32 grams of protein) every day, besides a variety of other high quality proteins, including cheeses, eggs, shellfish, and potatoes. -Peat from http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/ray-peat.html

10. "Per calorie, sugar is less fattening than starch, partly because it stimulates less insulin, and, when it's used with a good diet, because it increases the activity of thyroid hormone.."-Ray Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

11. "Starch and glucose efficiently stimulate insulin secretion, and that accelerates the disposition of glucose, activating its conversion to glycogen and fat, as well as its oxidation. Fructose inhibits the stimulation of insulin by glucose, so this means that eating ordinary sugar, sucrose (a disaccharide, consisting of glucose and fructose), in place of starch, will reduce the tendency to store fat."-Ray Peat, “Glycemia, Starch, and Sugar in Context”

12. “The starch-based diet, emphasizing grains, beans, nuts, and vegetables, has been promoted with a variety of justifications. When people are urged to reduce their fat and sugar consumption, they are told to eat more starch. Starch stimulates the appetite, promotes fat synthesis by stimulating insulin secretion, and sometimes increases the growth of bacteria that produce toxins..... Various studies have demonstrated that starch (composed of pure glucose) raises blood glucose more quickly than sucrose (half fructose, half glucose) does.”-Ray Peat, "Diabetes, Scleroderma, Oils and Hormones"
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/diabetes.shtml

13. "Protein deficiency creates an inflammatory state, and since stress causes tissue proteins to be destroyed and converted into sugars and fats, it's common to underestimate the amount of protein needed. One of the functions of sucrose in the diet is to reduce the production of cortisol, and so to spare protein."-From newsletter "Inflammation, Endotoxin, Estrogen, and Other Problems"

14. "Any carbohydrate...that is not sugar can potentially feed bacteria [in the intestines] that produce toxins and cause systemic stress."
-Dr. Ray Peat: Glycemia, Starch and SUGAR in Context!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/eastwesthe ... in-context
(Go to approximately the 29 minute mark of the interview.)

Moreover ,
Peat even spells out in numerous benchmark type statements
some approximate amounts:

Peat Benchmark-type Statements Without Specific, Individual Context

1. I've always been very sedentary, but I have usually had close to 150 grams daily. The traditional meat eaters didn't waste anything, ate all the skin, ears, tails, snouts, feet, tendons, lungs, intestines, marrow, blood, brains, gonads and other glands, picked the ligaments off the bones, so they had a much better balance of amino acids. (Small town restaurants in Mexico, China, etc., still serve those.) Muscle meats are essentially a refined food...
That's more than enough, and with low thyroid function the excess of tryptophan, methionine, and cysteine can lower your thyroid even more. Until your metabolic rate is higher, 80 to 100 grams would be better. Replacing it with sugar, or very well cooked starch, would support thyroid function.
-from Danny Roddy’s website,

2. “If a person eats a large serving of meat, it's probably helpful to have 5–10 grams of gelatin at approximately the same time, so that the amino acids enter the blood stream in balance.” -- http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AV ... sage/15989

3. “That depends on your size, metabolic rate, and activity, and the other nutrients, but I sometimes have more than that (400 grams of carbohydrate), including the sugar in milk and orange juice (and I'm about your size, and very sedentary). The fructose component of ordinary sugar (sucrose) helps to increase the metabolic rate. I think a person of average size should have at least 180 grams per day, maybe an average of about 250 grams.”
--http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/29/ray-peats-brain-building-a-foundation-for-better-understandi.html

4. “I have often had a gallon of orange juice in a day, with 100 grams of other sugar, and didn't see any problem, even while being sedentary. If your metabolic rate is high, with a pound of sugar you will still have an appetite for quite a bit of fat and protein.”- http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

5. “It's a good idea to have a quart of milk (about 32 grams of protein) every day, besides a variety of other high quality proteins, including cheeses, eggs, shellfish, and potatoes.”-Peat from http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/ray-peat.htm

So...
I would submit that there is a Peat diet within which--
if one wanted to avoid breaking that diet--
one would need to eat certain kinds of foods
and
avoid others.

 

[cliff]

Get enough nutrients, avoid pufa and allergens. That's the only concrete recommendation ray has.

What food would you want to eat that you think your not allowed to eat following ray's reqs?

I don't see where he says you can't eat any specific foods? People who try to turn his articles/comments into a formula for strict diets don't get the bigger picture.

 

[narouz]

A.

Get enough nutrients, avoid pufa and allergens. That's the only concrete recommendation ray has.

B.

What food would you want to eat that you think your not allowed to eat following ray's reqs?

C.

I don't see where he says you can't eat any specific foods? People who try to turn his articles/comments into a formula for strict diets don't get the bigger picture.

A few thoughts, Cliff-

* I would think your quote A and quote C cannot both be true at the same time.
That is: to avoid PUFA and allergens, one must avoid certain foods and eat others.

* Regarding quote A:
What is not "concrete" about these statements by Peat?:

1. “There isn't anything wrong with a high carbohydrate diet, and even a high starch diet isn't necessarily incompatible with good health, but when better foods are available they should be used instead of starches.”-Ray Peat, “Glycemia, Starch, and Sugar in Context”

2. A daily intake of 100 grams of gelatin wouldn't seem unreasonable, and some people find that quantities in that range help to decrease fatigue. For a growing child, though, such a large amount of refined gelatin would tend to displace other important foods. The National Academy of Sciences recently reviewed the requirements for working adults (male and female soldiers, in particular), and suggested that 100 grams of balanced protein was needed for efficient work. For adults, a large part of that could be in the form of gelatin. –Ray Peat, “Gelatin, Stress, Longevity”

3. “I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption. In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements.”-Ray Peat, “Diabetes, Scleroderma, Oils and Hormones”

4. “It's better to take your protein during the day, sugar and fat in the evening. The powdered protein lacks most of the nutrients, so you probably need some fruit, eggs, and liver, for the other nutrients, including potassium and magnesium. .”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

5. “Milk, cheese, and fruits provide a very good balance of nutrients. Fruits provide a significant amount of protein. Plain sugar is o.k. when the other nutrients are adequate. Roots, shoots, and tubers are, next to the fruits, a good carbohydrate source; potatoes are a source of good protein. Meat as the main protein can provide too much phosphorus in relation to calcium."-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

6. “Sugar helps the liver to make cholesterol, switching from starchy vegetables to sweet fruits will usually bring cholesterol levels up to normal. If the fat is mostly saturated, from milk, cheese, butter, beef, lamb or coconut oil, I think it's usually o.k. to get about 50% of the calories from fat, but since those natural fats typically contain around 2% polyunsaturated fats, I try to minimize my PUFA intake by having more fruit, and a little less fat, maybe 30 to 35%.”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

7. “People can do well on high or low fat or carbohydrate, but when the carbohydrate is very low, some of the protein will be wasted as fuel, replacing the missing glucose.”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

8. “A daily diet that includes two quarts of milk and a quart of orange juice provides enough fructose and other sugars for general resistance to stress, but larger amounts of fruit juice, honey, or other sugars can protect against increased stress, and can reverse some of the established degenerative conditions..”-Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

9. Muscle meats (including the muscles of poultry and fish) contain large amounts of the amino acids that suppress the thyroid, and shouldn't be the only source of protein. It's a good idea to have a quart of milk (about 32 grams of protein) every day, besides a variety of other high quality proteins, including cheeses, eggs, shellfish, and potatoes. -Peat from http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/ray-peat.html

10. "Per calorie, sugar is less fattening than starch, partly because it stimulates less insulin, and, when it's used with a good diet, because it increases the activity of thyroid hormone.."-Ray Peat from http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/ ... tandi.html

11. "Starch and glucose efficiently stimulate insulin secretion, and that accelerates the disposition of glucose, activating its conversion to glycogen and fat, as well as its oxidation. Fructose inhibits the stimulation of insulin by glucose, so this means that eating ordinary sugar, sucrose (a disaccharide, consisting of glucose and fructose), in place of starch, will reduce the tendency to store fat."-Ray Peat, “Glycemia, Starch, and Sugar in Context”

12. “The starch-based diet, emphasizing grains, beans, nuts, and vegetables, has been promoted with a variety of justifications. When people are urged to reduce their fat and sugar consumption, they are told to eat more starch. Starch stimulates the appetite, promotes fat synthesis by stimulating insulin secretion, and sometimes increases the growth of bacteria that produce toxins..... Various studies have demonstrated that starch (composed of pure glucose) raises blood glucose more quickly than sucrose (half fructose, half glucose) does.”-Ray Peat, "Diabetes, Scleroderma, Oils and Hormones"
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/diabetes.shtml

13. "Protein deficiency creates an inflammatory state, and since stress causes tissue proteins to be destroyed and converted into sugars and fats, it's common to underestimate the amount of protein needed. One of the functions of sucrose in the diet is to reduce the production of cortisol, and so to spare protein."-From newsletter "Inflammation, Endotoxin, Estrogen, and Other Problems"

14. "Any carbohydrate...that is not sugar can potentially feed bacteria [in the intestines] that produce toxins and cause systemic stress."
-Dr. Ray Peat: Glycemia, Starch and SUGAR in Context!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/eastwesthe ... in-context
(Go to approximately the 29 minute mark of the interview.)

*About your quote C:

I don't see where he says you can't eat any specific foods?

Well, just off the top of my head, I can remember him saying specifically:
-that avocados are hepatotoxic,
-that chicken are dangerous as a main source of protein,
-that pepper is filled with toxins,
-that ice cream and milk products with carrageneen and gums are unhealthy,
-that pulp-in orange juice is bad because of the way they combine the enzymed fiber
-that bread is stressful
-that legumes are hard to digest and a poor source of protein
-that seed oils are terrible
-that eating significant amounts of, especially undercooked, broccoli, cauliflower, kale is thyroid suppressing
-that cheese made with microbial enzymes are at best suspect
-that eating large amounts of meat is stressful and metabolically suppressive
-that bananas are high in serotonin
-that plantains are high in serotonin
-that grapefruit are not healthy
-that yogurt beyond like a tablespoon or so a day is potentially carcinogenic because of lactic acid
-that protein powders aren't healthy
-that carrots are actually "a nutritional subtractant"
-that mangos are in the poison oak family and thus should be avoided in quantity
-that pineapple is bad...is it the fiber?
-that bacon is very bad
-that tomatoes are bad unless you don't eat the seeds
-that pears and apples are kinda bad because of the pectin and fiber
I could go on...

On your quote B:

What food would you want to eat that you think your not allowed to eat following ray's reqs?

For starters: pizza, bacon, lots of meat, chicken, chicken skin, mayonaisse, avocados, tomatoes, bagels, panko, wheat batters, pork, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, collards, turnip greens, chard, salads, lettuces, cucumbers, croutons, battered fish and chicken fried in peanut oil, peanut butter on toast, tahini on toast, nutritional yeast, lots of rice, cous cous, pasta with lots of olive oil, french bread dipped in lots of olive oil, pinto beans, black beans, red beans, great northern beans, peas, artichoke, salmon, sea bass, grain fed beef, corn on the cob, celery, unlimed corn chips with guacamole, BLT sandwich, etc................................................................................

About your quote C, latter part:

People who try to turn his articles/comments into a formula for strict diets don't get the bigger picture.

Well,
here's my "bigger picture":
I wish to be healthy.
Dr. Peat says eating the right foods has much to do with health.
Therefore I want to eat the foods Peat recommends as healthy.
Therefore I want to eat a Peat diet.

What is the big picture that I am missing?

 

[cliff]

-that avocados are hepatotoxic,

but he says it's ok to eat a couple a week

-that chicken are dangerous as a main source of protein,

"main source"

-that pepper is filled with toxins

just about every spice is a toxin and spices aren't food, a dash of pepper isn't going to harm most

-that ice cream and milk products with carrageneen and gums are unhealthy

carragean isn't a food.

-that pulp-in orange juice is bad because of the way they combine the enzymed fiber

but OJ is ok

-that bread is stressful

white flour and sourdough are somewhat ok according to peat

-that legumes are hard to digest and a poor source of protein

they can still be consumed in the right context

-that eating significant amounts of, especially undercooked, broccoli, cauliflower, kale is thyroid suppressing

fine cooked, no one likes raw kale or brocolli


the rest of the foods can all be consumed as well.

For starters: pizza, bacon, lots of meat, chicken, chicken skin, mayonaisse, avocados, tomatoes, bagels, panko, wheat batters, pork, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, collards, turnip greens, chard, salads, lettuces, cucumbers, croutons, battered fish and chicken fried in peanut oil, peanut butter on toast, tahini on toast, nutritional yeast, lots of rice, cous cous, pasta with lots of olive oil, french bread dipped in lots of olive oil, pinto beans, black beans, red beans, great northern beans, peas, artichoke, salmon, sea bass, grain fed beef, corn on the cob, celery, unlimed corn chips with guacamole, BLT sandwich, etc................................................................................

You could eat most those foods everyday without issues

What is the big picture that I am missing?

Avoiding pufa, allergens and eating frequently, anything else is up to the individual. Even if we had a list of foods it wouldn't apply to everyone, some can't tolerate certain fruits, dairy etc.

 

[narouz]

-that avocados are hepatotoxic,

but he says it's ok to eat a couple a week

-that chicken are dangerous as a main source of protein,

"main source"

-that pepper is filled with toxins

just about every spice is a toxin and spices aren't food, a dash of pepper isn't going to harm most

-that ice cream and milk products with carrageneen and gums are unhealthy

carragean isn't a food.

-that pulp-in orange juice is bad because of the way they combine the enzymed fiber

but OJ is ok

-that bread is stressful

white flour and sourdough are somewhat ok according to peat

-that legumes are hard to digest and a poor source of protein

they can still be consumed in the right context

-that eating significant amounts of, especially undercooked, broccoli, cauliflower, kale is thyroid suppressing

fine cooked, no one likes raw kale or brocolli


the rest of the foods can all be consumed as well.

For starters: pizza, bacon, lots of meat, chicken, chicken skin, mayonaisse, avocados, tomatoes, bagels, panko, wheat batters, pork, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, collards, turnip greens, chard, salads, lettuces, cucumbers, croutons, battered fish and chicken fried in peanut oil, peanut butter on toast, tahini on toast, nutritional yeast, lots of rice, cous cous, pasta with lots of olive oil, french bread dipped in lots of olive oil, pinto beans, black beans, red beans, great northern beans, peas, artichoke, salmon, sea bass, grain fed beef, corn on the cob, celery, unlimed corn chips with guacamole, BLT sandwich, etc................................................................................

What is the big picture that I am missing?

Avoiding pufa, allergens and eating frequently, anything else is up to the individual. Even if we had a list of foods it wouldn't apply to everyone, some can't tolerate certain fruits, dairy etc.

Cliff, are you a hippie?
I don't mean to offend...I'm sortuv a hippie or former hippie myself.

What I mean is,
I feel like I'm carrying on a discussion with Jeff Spicoli or maybe Jeff Lebowski.
"Don't be so uptight, man. Loosen up! Why be so oppressed by rules? Let's just live, man,
catch a good buzz, and have fun!"

I see the appeal, I really do. :)
With the hippie part of my self.

But most of me believes that
proceeding with the mindset you lay out above...
...it just seems to make any clarity and judgement so blurry and optional
as to render important judgements and decisions nearly meaningless.

I don't disagree with you when you
when you say, essentially,
that none of the non-Peat foods or the "naughty" foods above are poisonous in very small amounts.

But to my mind, that just evades the real issue:
Doesn't Peat recommend certain foods
and state that other kinds of foods are unhealthy, dangerous, carcinogenic, or life/brain threatening?
Doesn't it make a difference--what we eat?

Does stating that
consuming a teaspoon a day of avocado or chicken skin is not harmful...
...does that really get us anywhere?
...does that nullify the real issue:
that there are Peat recommended foods and Peat unrecommended foods,
and that the decisions about what to eat make a big difference
in quality of life, intelligence, health, longevity, etc.

To assert that consuming a teaspoon per day of bacon, avocado, or chicken skin
will not kill you
is not a game-changing or helpful argument, to me, in this context.
One still must know what foods are bad in Peat's book
so as to consume them only in that miniscule amount, yes?
Knowledge and clarity are still required.

To me, it is plain that there is a Peat diet,
the outlines of which have been pretty clearly articulated by Peat (see my above quotes).

So now Jeff...er, I mean...Cliff,
I wouldn't object at all if you said,
"Okay, the diet does exist,
but nobody need feel bound to stay strictly within it."
Agreed.

Or if you said:
"Okay, the diet exists,
but eating a tiny bit per day of some bad foods won't kill you."
I'd probably agree with you too, depending.

But if you say, as you seem to:
"There is no Peat diet.
But it won't kill you if you only eat
a tiny bit of the bad Peat foods (on the non-existent Peat diet)."
Well...that doesn't make sense to me.