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I think there was a study showing that DHT was correlated with higher BMIs. It seems to stimulate appetite.
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unhealed injury, plain and simple.So what is the reason behind chronic postural damage in your opinion ?
Just look up a video from the early days of film, and compare it to today. Back then people walked upright and seemed to float through the street. Nowadays a vast majority waddle forward.
So what can be done?unhealed injury, plain and simple.
The reasons why this happens can be debated in infinity, i tend to blame vaccines and injections that are put into us since birth, but i am not adamant on this view if someone has a better theory.
In the fascial thread there were videos shared where some practitioner narrates through this false idea. He says that for 100 years they worked on wrong principle, and this gave incorrect perception of what chiropractic can achieve. It is only the initiation of the possibility of achieving fascial movement. Not what achieves postural repair.So what can be done?
Are you offering somehow to unvax the vaccinated people ?
Hiropractice will work only to some degree and locally. A patient will slide back into original bad posture state eventually without lifetime chirodoctor support .
BTW ...people have tried to cure baldness since pharaohs time with no success .
I appreciate that. I wish i could prove to you how walking used to be energy excerting, but today it feels like i float over flat surfaces. Imagine being constantly slightly using all your lower body muscles to walk, compared to using muscles only to keep balance and let natural fascial tension and release propel you forward. It's pretty impossible to put into words, but let's just say if i did a cooper's test walking i would probably go twice as far now just because there is no energy wasted in the process. The fascia is designed to store and release energy, and if you use muscles while walking for other than support and weight shift you are doing it wrong.@rei
honestly gonna give u the benefit of the doubt. The people i see balding aggressively have awful posture and look super beta
Can we please not fight. Pwrsonally i dont agree with rei stuff. But seriously ignore each other.
do yall think its possible to add dht or somehow upregulate 5ar production locally with a topical to the penis without causing any suppression?
5α-reductase type 2 (SRD5α2)I also posted a study of DHT causing dyslipidemia and obesity in mice and it was dismissed by people here who seem to only accept studies and evidence if it supports their own beliefs but if you actually post a study that implies that they might be wrong everyone starts attacking you and proceeds to remind you how all scientists are idiots and part of a conspiracy and how ray peat and his followers know everything under the sun while at the same time no one provides any evidence of restoration achieved with ray peat principles.
There are studies that clearly show that DHT can be dangerous in higher levels, but people here completely disregard it or dismiss it as a bad study.
There is also a study where finasteride administration attenuated heart hypertrophy in mice by lowering DHT in heart tissue but if you post it here a shitstorm is very likely.
There is a study where Testosterone administration in males with low testosterone and high DHT significantly lowered DHT which probably means that DHT shouldn't be high when testosterone levels are at a healthy range but when I talked about it everyone ignored me.
There are countless studies of hyperandrogenism in women being a hallmark of metabolic disaster and no one cares to look at those, but one study was posted by haidut where lean women had slightly higher DHT which any reasonable person can assume is because of lower adipose tissue known to neutralize it and not the other way around, but people here twisted it to draw their own conclusion of DHT being great for women too.
Now about your claims there is actually a lot of studies that show that estrogen and increased aromatase can help lower visceral fat, so I don't know about that.
Healthy young males usually have a T/DHT ratio in favor of testosterone along with high shbg, but people seem to think that lowering shbg and increasing DHT will make them healthier while a high DHT/T ratio and low shbg is a hallmark of old age and metabolic dysfunction.
It's just sad that many people here started adopting cult like behavior and dogma when this forum was supposed to be the opposite of that.
If avoiding PUFA and taking aspirin with sugar and milk and coffee blah.. blah.. solved hair loss, obesity and every disease then all of us who followed ray peats ideas
for years would be super healthy, ripped, hairy, god tier males with wings made out of light and telekinesis, but this is obviously not the case.
Where can i get a hold of that?Not much will happen to your penis past puberty, except for an increased in blood flow and a seemingly bigger size.
As far as shutdown, using bioidentical hormones such as test no ester and DHT no ester leads to minimal shutdown, if any.
And when it does, it's transiant and only happens while using.
One thing that i beleive ur theory may play a part in is front recession more so than back thinning as we see a huge group of men whos temples always recede in fact we see almost all mens temples recede from juvenile to a mature hairline to some degree.I appreciate that. I wish i could prove to you how walking used to be energy excerting, but today it feels like i float over flat surfaces. Imagine being constantly slightly using all your lower body muscles to walk, compared to using muscles only to keep balance and let natural fascial tension and release propel you forward. It's pretty impossible to put into words, but let's just say if i did a cooper's test walking i would probably go twice as far now just because there is no energy wasted in the process. The fascia is designed to store and release energy, and if you use muscles while walking for other than support and weight shift you are doing it wrong.
Where can i get a hold of that?
The liver study is very interesting, however DHT can't be the only contributor otherwise women would suffer liver cancer significantly more than men do, now I wonder if white people evolved to have higher DHT to protect their livers from the heavy consumption of alcohol in Europe or some other stressor, also I don't disagree that DHT is useful in physiological levels I am just saying that having more isn't necessarily good and sometimes it can either cause issues or be an indicator of stress and disease, my main argument is the disregard for equilibrium and the denial about every hormone being useful in a specific amount, people tend to dumb it down to a black and white dichotomy which is then supported with flawed logic and distorted evidence, while every opposite evidence is disregarded as false or ridiculed.
Thank you Rei for this inspirational description of walking. I'm a lifelong walker. I do three miles a day in colder months, and maybe a mile a day during summer (the heat is exhausting and oppressive in Phoenix, AZ, even early morning and late night). So I tried to imagine what you meant by floating, but failed. I'm pretty sure you didn't mean the well-known race-walking style, where the person exaggerates hip and upper body movement. Is there a video on youtube that approximates how you float. Currently I walk steady with minimal upper body movement, and I disengage from the action of walking by listening to music or audio books.I appreciate that. I wish i could prove to you how walking used to be energy excerting, but today it feels like i float over flat surfaces. Imagine being constantly slightly using all your lower body muscles to walk, compared to using muscles only to keep balance and let natural fascial tension and release propel you forward. It's pretty impossible to put into words, but let's just say if i did a cooper's test walking i would probably go twice as far now just because there is no energy wasted in the process. The fascia is designed to store and release energy, and if you use muscles while walking for other than support and weight shift you are doing it wrong.
"Superior mutations". Such an elegant phrase. Can you explain it?What i mean is the biological mechanism of the human body are influenced by superior mutations not logic. If the human body was designed by a human thinking of things logically would make sense but its not.
One thing that i beleive ur theory may play a part in is front recession more so than back thinning as we see a huge group of men whos temples always recede in fact we see almost all mens temples recede from juvenile to a mature hairline to some degree.I appreciate that. I wish i could prove to you how walking used to be energy excerting, but today it feels like i float over flat surfaces. Imagine being constantly slightly using all your lower body muscles to walk, compared to using muscles only to keep balance and let natural fascial tension and release propel you forward. It's pretty impossible to put into words, but let's just say if i did a cooper's test walking i would probably go twice as far now just because there is no energy wasted in the process. The fascia is designed to store and release energy, and if you use muscles while walking for other than support and weight shift you are doing it wrong.
"Superior mutations". Such an elegant phrase. Can you explain it?
I think the main problem here is that most members talk about theory stuff not trying it. THis is reason why this forum is going to be dead. First, I saw a video about fit guy that tested his T levels and it was very low even he is looking androgenic.The liver study is very interesting, however DHT can't be the only contributor otherwise women would suffer liver cancer significantly more than men do, now I wonder if white people evolved to have higher DHT to protect their livers from the heavy consumption of alcohol in Europe or some other stressor, also I don't disagree that DHT is useful in physiological levels I am just saying that having more isn't necessarily good and sometimes it can either cause issues or be an indicator of stress and disease, my main argument is the disregard for equilibrium and the denial about every hormone being useful in a specific amount, people tend to dumb it down to a black and white dichotomy which is then supported with flawed logic and distorted evidence, while every opposite evidence is disregarded as false or ridiculed.
This studies for example show increased risk of some cancers with higher DHT levels.
Dihydrotestosterone increases the risk of bladder cancer in men - PubMed
Men are at a higher risk of developing bladder cancer than women. Although the urinary bladder is not regarded as an sex organ, it has the potential to respond to androgen signals. The mechanisms responsible for the gender differences remain unexplained. Androgen receptor (AR) after binding with...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.govHigher Dihydrotestosterone Is Associated with the Incidence of Lung Cancer in Older Men - PubMed
Advancing age is associated with increased cancer incidence, but the role of sex hormones as risk predictors for common cancers in older men remains uncertain. This study was performed to assess associations of testosterone (T), dihydrotestosterone (DHT) and estradiol (E2), with incident...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Also DHT administration can induce PCOS in female mice, this is how they induce PCOS in female mice to use them in studies.
here is a study where serotonin protects the prostate from excessive growth
Serotonin regulates prostate growth through androgen receptor modulation - PubMed
Aging and testosterone almost inexorably cause benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) in Human males. However, etiology of BPH is largely unknown. Serotonin (5-HT) is produced by neuroendocrine prostatic cells and presents in high concentration in normal prostatic transition zone, but its function...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
not everything is black and white.
I was going to tell you the other day, that I really enjoy your posts. You are the voice of reason, sort of like Chibbs. I will say however, being on DHT 1-2 mg topically, assist in a huge mental stability feeling, and boost in confidence. But I completely agree with you that DHT is make in the stress cascade. According to Dr. Lin at Actionlove.com, during sexual stimulation, Dopamine goes into norepinephrine, then testosterone goes into DHT. On that note, people here talk about using huge dose of caffeine to raise DHT, which means, yeah, get stressed with caffeine to raise DHT.DHT is by definition a stress hormone since its production is increased, and its co-factor enzymes upregulated in times of stress, so no matter what anyone here believes DHT belongs in the stress hormone category.
High DHT/T ratio is a hallmark of disease, but for some reason many people on this forum defend the absurd position of "The more the better" when it comes to DHT.
Some even go as far as "supplementing" DHT, to improve wellbeing.
Also many people claim that DHT "blocks" estrogen, whatever that means, but studies show mixed and complex interactions.
I don't even know why DHT is being worshipped in this forum, as far as I am concerned Dr Peat never gave it much attention, if any.
DHT seems like a potent substance that can help restore equilibrium during stress but constant high levels are probably a sign of excessive upregulation which is probably not a good sign.
If DHT was the superman hormone that some people here claim it is then people would have found out by now and abuse the ***t out of it.
I agree. According to Dr. Lin at Actionlove.com, he states that the reason Finasteride works is the boost in free Testosterone and the lowering of DHT. Of course finasteride is a suicidal DHT blocker. Dr. Lin states that Fin destroys the genes and enzymes in the liver that make DHT. We don't want that. But we do probably want a good high test level, with a moderate DHT level, and keep Cortisol/Prolactin down. Dr. Lin states the stress hormones are what causes hair loss, just like what Ray Peat says. Prolactin, after orgasm, constricts blood vessels in the gonads , body, and scalp. Testosterone is needed to keep NO up to dialate the arteries and keep blood vessels open for recovery from orgasm.I also posted a study of DHT causing dyslipidemia and obesity in mice and it was dismissed by people here who seem to only accept studies and evidence if it supports their own beliefs but if you actually post a study that implies that they might be wrong everyone starts attacking you and proceeds to remind you how all scientists are idiots and part of a conspiracy and how ray peat and his followers know everything under the sun while at the same time no one provides any evidence of restoration achieved with ray peat principles.
There are studies that clearly show that DHT can be dangerous in higher levels, but people here completely disregard it or dismiss it as a bad study.
There is also a study where finasteride administration attenuated heart hypertrophy in mice by lowering DHT in heart tissue but if you post it here a shitstorm is very likely.
There is a study where Testosterone administration in males with low testosterone and high DHT significantly lowered DHT which probably means that DHT shouldn't be high when testosterone levels are at a healthy range but when I talked about it everyone ignored me.
There are countless studies of hyperandrogenism in women being a hallmark of metabolic disaster and no one cares to look at those, but one study was posted by haidut where lean women had slightly higher DHT which any reasonable person can assume is because of lower adipose tissue known to neutralize it and not the other way around, but people here twisted it to draw their own conclusion of DHT being great for women too.
Now about your claims there is actually a lot of studies that show that estrogen and increased aromatase can help lower visceral fat, so I don't know about that.
Healthy young males usually have a T/DHT ratio in favor of testosterone along with high shbg, but people seem to think that lowering shbg and increasing DHT will make them healthier while a high DHT/T ratio and low shbg is a hallmark of old age and metabolic dysfunction.
It's just sad that many people here started adopting cult like behavior and dogma when this forum was supposed to be the opposite of that.
If avoiding PUFA and taking aspirin with sugar and milk and coffee blah.. blah.. solved hair loss, obesity and every disease then all of us who followed ray peats ideas
for years would be super healthy, ripped, hairy, god tier males with wings made out of light and telekinesis, but this is obviously not the case.