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Dairy Fat And Fatigue

Discussion in 'Cheese' started by Runenight201, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Runenight201

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    I've pinpointed as of late that dairy fat causes an immediate sense of fatigue, that is lifted after about 30 mins to an hour after ingestion of the fat.

    If I consume a high enough amount of this fat, the fatigue becomes bad enough for me to have to take a nap.

    It's a shame because I love how cheese tastes, and I definitely crave it about once a day, and I always feel satiated and a positive mood from eating the cheese, but the fatigue post consumption.... I've switched to skim milk about once/twice a day with coffee and I have noticed positive effects from this, but I'm not sure if I can get used to cottage cheese...although I may have to give it a try.

    Anyone else notice this from dairy fat?
     
  2. Cirion

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    I'm about to try raw milk straight from the farmer this weekend. From what I have heard it is generally more agreeable than most commercial milk which I now believe to be junk food, I'll let you know how it goes for me. A2 milk I respond to better than A1 milk, but still have issues if I don't have a large amount of sugar with it. I don't react well to most dairy either. Goat cheese is amazing though, it is the only cheese I can tolerate. Hard cheeses are bad news for my digestive system so I never have cheddar, mozzarella, or any of that any more. Also most cheeses besides being A1 dairy also have toxic additives which help contribute to fatigue and brain fog. I had this one hard piece of mozzarella cheese on a business trip the other month, and the fatigue and brain fog afterwards was brutal. I think they had like half a dozen artificial ingredients added.

    Every day I am becoming more and more in tune with how important it is to eat REAL food, with zero additives of ANY kind. I'd actually argue that eating REAL foods is more important than eating one specific food of any kind or even avoiding a specific food like legumes. Plenty of people thrive on eating a wide variety of food and are very healthy, as long as its real food. For example I'm gonna read "Food Babe's" book soon, as she talks a lot about all the harmful additives in food. Her diet isn't one that I fully agree with (I think she eats fairly low sugar, and eats some PUFA laden foods like nuts and legumes) but all the food she eats is fully natural with no harmful additives and I think that's what ultimately makes her healthy. I mostly wanted her book to get an idea of what brands of foods to avoid and which are safe, because I'm really trying to clean up my food intake.
     
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    Yeah actually. I know Travis have talked positively of goat cheese and this have replaced my milk intake. I do however notice fatigue after this so perhaps it is the fat that does this. Not sure though...
     
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    I had a similar experience with shredded mozerlla cheese that I bought packaged from the grocery store. Because the cheese is shredded, they have to add many ingredients in order to keep it from clumping together, which induced major inflammation and brain fog in me upon consumption.

    I seem to react fine to normal grocery store skim milk, probably because the milk isn't homogenized. One day I'll have to experiment with non-homogenized milk, but to be honest i've come to enjoy the taste of skim now, I'm not sure if I would like the fatty taste in milk.

    I had one type of goat cheese that I simply found unpalatable. It had a very odd taste to it and I didn't like it. I may have to try out harder cheeses and different types of goat cheeses, simply for experimentation purposes, as the soft, fatty cheese that I've been eating seems to be causing fatigue issues, even though I do enjoy the taste and it doesn't seem to inflame my body. It also positively builds up my nails and gums, so the cheese isn't absolutely terrible for my body, it could just be the fat content...

    I could also simply have an issue with fat, as yesterday I ate 3 hard boiled eggs with fruit and subsequently became overwhelmed with fatigue, laziness, and no desire to do anything.

    Then again they were the cheap grocery store eggs....

    But who knows, i'll keep experimenting for sure. I try and pay attention to my stomach, because I've noticed that whenever it is flat, non-bloated, and content, I am very sharp and energetic, but whenever it is bloated or upset, I usually feel bad as well.
     
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    Please share your experiences here. The thing I noticed with goat cheese is that it takes time to get used to. The first month I found it nasty, but after some time I find it more tolerable. I dont think it is very good though, but I can manage to eat together with orange juice :)
     
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    Please share your experiences here. The thing I noticed with goat cheese is that it takes time to get used to. The first month I found it nasty, but after some time I find it more tolerable. I dont think it is very good though, but I can manage to eat it with orange juice :)
     
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    haha I don't play that game. If something doesn't taste good to me, I interpret that as my body rejecting it as bad for me. I've forced food too many times in my past =P I will certainly share my cheese experiments here.
     
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    Yeah I mean dairy fat in too high of an amount relative to sugar could possibly cause a problem even from raw milk I suppose, since dietary fat is never superior to sugar for fuel, even if its saturated fats, but I've found being hypo requires a generous supply of saturated fats because we can't use sugar for fuel well so without the fats to buffer the sugar, at least for me, I run out of blood sugar fast.
     
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    I just had an incredible meal of sweet potatoes with a little bit of salt and lots of sugar to taste. Without the sugar, I find sweet potatoes unpalatable, but with a generous amount of sugar, the sweet potatoes were incredibly delicious and I ate my fill of them. I had about a cup of skim milk to drink and a couple mandarins for dessert =)

    While I was waiting for my sweet potatoes to cook, I got a nice little lower leg workout in. Did a decent amount of single leg squats, single leg RDL's, power skaters, and sumo squats with mini power pumps held at the bottom. Definitely felt the pump!

    I feel really good from this meal, definitely going to include it in my lineup of foods.
     
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    Yes. Sweet potatoes are one of natures' superfoods. I have them almost every day and swear by them.
     
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    I'm tempted to see fatigue after a meal as a good sign that the body has lowered stress hormones and wants to rest since most hypo have sleep troubles that prevent fully restorative sleep. Does it make sense?

    Just a hunch, no scientific backing.
     
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    I believe that's correct if your body temperature and pulse are both good. I've had my pulse up to 88 and body temp of 99F and been sleepy before. I do take that as a good sign. From what I understand, there are two ways to be in "Activation" or "Inhibition" mode.

    Activation - state of alertness, energy
    Inhibition - state of recharging, sleep

    If you're stressed out then:

    Activation - due to stress hormones
    Inhibition - due to torpor, melatonin, serotonin- does not result in restful sleep

    If you're healthy then:

    Activation - due to healthy energy (T3 from thyroid, kyrunenine pathway activated, niacin energy distribution)
    Inhibition - due to high GABA- results in restful sleep

    So, from that, if you're doing good (high pulse and temp) but sleepy then you probably have high GABA.
     
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    I've seen that argument put forward before but I don't buy it, especially since I've had days when I've been awake and energetic the entire time.

    The dairy fat induced fatigue almost seems like I'm being drugged. Fatty milk is the worst, where I feel incredibly tired and almost forced asleep.

    When I eat good foods during the day I always feel energized from them. I view tiredness after a meal as the food being inappropriate to me. Especially since my sleep had been much improved after adding homemade chicken stock soup into my diet. That stuff really is magical for sleep.
     
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    The argument is still valid I think. The lethargy seems ti be an hindrance to your daily activities though. In this case, you have to find a combination that promote activation instead of inhibition.
     
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    If you notice torpor alongside of a low heart rate and/or temperature, then that is not a good sign, but if the sleepiness is accompanied by a good pulse and temperature I think you're OK. Usually when I get an adverse reaction to food it is accompanied by torpor (low heart rate & temperature). The reason why you might get sleepy after good food is for a couple reasons... one is it could be simply that your low metabolism is surfacing and shown its true nature after having run off stress hormones for a long time, secondly, it may be your body trying to get you to get some "Restful" sleep (seeing as how torpor does not result in restful sleep, so no matter much you sleep, it does no good, and now that your body can finally get some proper sleep, it wants you to do so, and you're correct, once you are healed you should not be getting sleepy in the middle of the day after food but I think to a degree it is necessary and can/will happen as you are still healing).
     
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    I’ve had an awful experience with eating restaurant pizza while I was with friends on Saturday.

    I got 2 slices of xtra cheesy pizza with pepperoni, sausage, meatballs, bell pepper, and onions. Coca Cola to drink. I was very well satiated after the meal

    BUT I got hit with the worst allergy flare up that I’ve had in a while. It didn’t help that I was hanging out in a house with dogs as well. Usually dogs don’t flare up my allergies too bad, but the pizza + dogs completely congested my sinuses.

    I was pretty much blocked up for the next 24 hours, having to mouthbreathe many times. I’m sure I was sleeping with my mouth hanging wide open. I truly felt incapacitated. I think the combination of dense cheese with gluten created a terrible allergic reaction in me. I will no longer ever eat pizza again.

    My craving for dairy had completely disappeared, and for the past 24 hours I subsisted on sugar, fruit, broth, starch, and meat.

    However in a way, I’m happy this occurred, because 2 discoveries came from this.

    1) **** pizza =P
    2) Coffee greatly alleviated the congestion and allergies.

    In my state of frustration, thinking how I could get my congestion to go away, I decided I’d have a cup of coffee at 10PM.

    Like magic, my congestion and sneezing began clearing up, and I was able to sit in my dusty dog hair filled house without reacting terribly to everything.

    So I will now make sure to try and include coffee more frequently in my daily diet, especially around dairy, and completely avoid the catastrophy that was gluten + cheese for the rest of my life.
     
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    Could it be too much vitamin a?
     
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    For the fatigue or the allergies?

    I'm not sure, but I'm not about to go on a vitamin A elimination crusade.

    My cheese appetite has reduced drastically, perhaps because of that allergic reaction, but I'm very careful with the amount I consume.

    I did have about 1.5 oz cows cheese with orange juice and apple sauce and I feel fine, no ensuing fatigue.

    The poison may be in the dosage.
     
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    I don't think cheese is bad. But I don't doubt that the cheese that goes on top of most pizzas is bad. If they used goat cheese it probably would have been fine. But yeah, I haven't had a pizza in a long time lol

    Wheat is no bueno
     
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