Daily Routine To Optimize Androgens

[AndrogenicKing]

Let’s work together to make a daily routine to optimize androgens. from how you break your fast, what foods you eat, what supplements to take, what exercises to do, on a daily basis and so on. I’ll start let me know what you think
-Break your fast with a couple pieces of fruit
-wait 30 minutes then have some organic coffee with grass fed bone broth or a good quality grass fed collagen
-Take supps with coffee like
-Tribulus
- Cistanche Tubulosa
-Butea Superba
- Pine Pollen

 

[mrchibbs]

Let’s work together to make a daily routine to optimize androgens. from how you break your fast, what foods you eat, what supplements to take, what exercises to do, on a daily basis and so on.

Since what we mean by androgens is really the endogenous production of steroids (protective hormones), you need to get the cholesterol, vitamin A, and thyroid working and then you'll produce a lot of hormones. Here is what I've found to be useful for me:

-Thyroid supplementation
-Sunlight exposure
-Relaxed resistance training when I feel like it
-Easy to digest, very ripe or cooked fruits during the day.
-Oysters, shellfish regularly (zinc, copper, selenium, cholesterol)
-Liver when sunlight exposure increases (for retinol and b-vitamins)
-A little Progesterone/DHEA topically and or/pregnenolone (as they are the precursors to all androgens)
-Enough protein to suppress estrogen, and a casein/milk/gelatin drink at night to help tissue rebuilding during sleep.
-Going to bed early, and having the best sleep ever (magnesium helps to relax)
-A good life with drive and working towards goals no idleness, good sex, no porn/masturbation habit.

I think a state of high ''androgens'' means high T, androstenedione, high DHT and yes, high progesterone, and much of the ''aggressiveness'' of people with ''high androgens''
come from the aromatization of T into estrogen. I mean a lot of the guys who take big amounts of T probably convert like 90% of it to estrogen, and estrogen is neurotoxicity and
a powerful excitatory hormone.

 

[baccheion]

Since what we mean by androgens is really the endogenous production of steroids (protective hormones), you need to get the cholesterol, vitamin A, and thyroid working and then you'll produce a lot of hormones. Here is what I've found to be useful for me:

-Thyroid supplementation
-Sunlight exposure
-Relaxed resistance training when I feel like it
-Easy to digest, very ripe or cooked fruits during the day.
-Oysters, shellfish regularly (zinc, copper, selenium, cholesterol)
-Liver when sunlight exposure increases (for retinol and b-vitamins)
-A little Progesterone/DHEA topically and or/pregnenolone (as they are the precursors to all androgens)
-Enough protein to suppress estrogen, and a casein/milk/gelatin drink at night to help tissue rebuilding during sleep.
-Going to bed early, and having the best sleep ever (magnesium helps to relax)
-A good life with drive and working towards goals no idleness, good sex, no porn/masturbation habit.

I think a state of high ''androgens'' means high T, androstenedione, high DHT and yes, high progesterone, and much of the ''aggressiveness'' of people with ''high androgens''
come from the aromatization of T into estrogen. I mean a lot of the guys who take big amounts of T probably convert like 90% of it to estrogen, and estrogen is neurotoxicity and
a powerful excitatory hormone.

How much vitamin A? How much if taking 50,000 IU/day D3? 20,000 IU D3? 5,000 IU D3?

 

[mrchibbs]

How much vitamin A? How much if taking 50,000 IU/day D3? 20,000 IU D3? 5,000 IU D3?

Based on what I understand and from Ray's interviews, there is no set guidelines, as the need for vitamin A increases along with thyroid function, and things like light exposure.

And I personally wouldn't take a vitamin A supplement, maybe topically only. Liver has plenty of vitamin A and should be the best source. But other people have commented anecdotally that getting enough vitamin A in a context of sufficient cholesterol and thyroid function can feel utterly amazing, because sometimes you start producing more protective hormones than you've had in years.

It happened to me, I was tired for 2 years and then became very sick, and once I figure out the balance it's been like I'm feeling things/energy/hormones I haven't felt since I was a teenager. It's not necessarily comfortable at first, it's like coming back to life.

 

[baccheion]

Based on what I understand and from Ray's interviews, there is no set guidelines, as the need for vitamin A increases along with thyroid function, and things like light exposure.

And I personally wouldn't take a vitamin A supplement, maybe topically only. Liver has plenty of vitamin A and should be the best source. But other people have commented anecdotally that getting enough vitamin A in a context of sufficient cholesterol and thyroid function can feel utterly amazing, because sometimes you start producing more protective hormones than you've had in years.

It happened to me, I was tired for 2 years and then became very sick, and once I figure out the balance it's been like I'm feeling things/energy/hormones I haven't felt since I was a teenager.

I'm fighting the wind. I was thinking about chicken liver, potatoes, and raw egg yolks. Would that be too much iron? Too much vitamin A?

 

[mrchibbs]

I'm fighting the wind. I was thinking about chicken liver, potatoes, and raw egg yolks. Would that be too much iron? Too much vitamin A?

Experiment with small amounts of liver and see how your skin feels, go outside daily as summer gets nearer, and experiment how you feel with more or less vitamin A.
If you're doing things right, your skin should be perfect as the balance between vitamin D and vitamin A gets right, and if your thyroid function is high (temperature and pulse), you should begin to feel truly alive.

Don't eat large amounts of liver at first because that has a thyroid-suppressive effect. Take some vitamin E to prevent vitamin A oxidation.

 

[baccheion]

Experiment with small amounts of liver and see how your skin feels, go outside daily as summer gets nearer, and experiment how you feel with more or less vitamin A.
If you're doing things right, your skin should be perfect as the balance between vitamin D and vitamin A gets right, and if your thyroid function is high (temperature and pulse), you should begin to feel truly alive.

Don't eat large amounts of liver at first because that has a thyroid-suppressive effect. Take some vitamin E to prevent vitamin A oxidation.

So how much vitamin A? There can be attempts to assess adjustments, but vitamin A accumulates over time.

How much is typically needed in Peatworld? Matched with how many calories? Is there a difference going from 1.5g to 4g to 10g PUFA?

 

[mrchibbs]

So how much vitamin A? There can be attempts to assess adjustments, but vitamin A accumulates over time.

How much is typically needed in Peatworld? Matched with how many calories? Is there a difference going from 1.5g to 4g to 10g PUFA?

Ray recommends eating a liver meal like once a month during winter, and maybe once a week during summer if you get a lot of sun. I can't tell you what amount precisely, you have to figure out what works for you. Ray has spoken about this in a Generative Energy interview in Dec. 2016 (it's on YouTube, interview about supplements).

There is no protocol, but the lower you can get PUFAs long term the better. It's better if you choose an amount that you can maintain long term, but under 4g a day is often seen as a good goal to have. The idea is to maintain that low intake long term.

 

[baccheion]

Ray recommends eating a liver meal like once a month during winter, and maybe once a week during summer if you get a lot of sun. I can't tell you what amount precisely, you have to figure out what works for you. Ray has spoken about this in a Generative Energy interview in Dec. 2016 (it's on YouTube, interview about supplements).

There is no protocol, but the lower you can get PUFAs long term the better. It's better if you choose an amount that you can maintain long term, but under 4g a day is often seen as a good goal to have. The idea is to maintain that low intake long term.

What's the difference between 1.5 g/day and 4g/day?

 

[mrchibbs]

What's the difference between 1.5 g/day and 4g/day?

1.5g is better, but it's hard to keep PUFAs that low.

 

[baccheion]

1.5g is better, but it's hard to keep PUFAs that low.

In what ways better?

 

[mrchibbs]

In what ways better?

The less PUFA you take the less you'll have and the less your thyroid will be suppressed.

 

[baccheion]

The less PUFA you take the less you'll have and the less your thyroid will be suppressed.

What if someone just followed iodine protocol?

 

[mrchibbs]

What if someone just followed iodine protocol?

I don't think it's safe, nor does it really address the problem.

 

[baccheion]

I don't think it's safe, nor does it really address the problem.

What's that position based on? It seems many have been doing it for years.

 

[mrchibbs]

What's that position based on? It seems many have been doing it for years.

I tried iodine supplementation myself years ago, but since then I've learned a lot more about the thyroid and what suppresses it.
I don't think a deficiency of iodine is the reason for it, but more so the things Ray Peat has researched and talked about; PUFA accumulation,
learned helplessness, estrogen dominance, lack of sunshine exposure, EMF, iron toxicity, low protein diets etc.

 

[baccheion]

I tried iodine supplementation myself years ago, but since then I've learned a lot more about the thyroid and what suppresses it.
I don't think a deficiency of iodine is the reason for it, but more so the things Ray Peat has researched and talked about; PUFA accumulation,
learned helplessness, estrogen dominance, lack of sunshine exposure, EMF, iron toxicity, low protein diets etc.

The megadose of the protocol is mainly to saturate cells. It is not needed after 90 days (or however long it takes to saturate) if not bombarded with halogens. The original maintenance protocol was 12.5 mg/day 1 month on and 3 months off.

 

[mrchibbs]

The megadose of the protocol is mainly to saturate cells. It is not needed after 90 days (or however long it takes to saturate) if not bombarded with halogens. The original maintenance protocol was 12.5 mg/day 1 month on and 3 months off.

I know, did all of that. I don't think it's valid at all.

 

[BingDing]

Aren't one of you talking abut Vitamin A and the other about PUFAs?

 

[BearWithMe]

Thank you for your posts, they are super-informative, mrchibbs!