COVID vaccines already up to 96x as deadly as Flu Vaccines, according to CDC's own data.

[SeamusR]

Completely incorrect. Colpo certainly didn't claim that, nor do the trials show that.

Again, there is no data suggesting that the vaccine has saved even a single life. You are just being deliberately dishonest at this point.

But good luck if you are signing up for this large scale medical vaccination experiment.

You stated in your last comment that Colpo did the ‘value’ analysis and it was in 1 or both of the articles you linked.

Can you summarize it ?

 

[Perry Staltic]

Note, I am not pro or anti vaccine, I am data driven and appalled at the inaccurate scaremongering on both sides of the argument.

That's me: vaxxnostic

 

[tankasnowgod]

wow ! So only 3 years would be required to get from the last years 0.55m life savings to the theoretical 1.65m value, not bad !!!

I know this is a gross approximation but my point is even if you are very more conservative in the savings analysis, the net lives saving will continue to be significantly positive.

But you aren't taking any "life saving" figures. You're quoting the figure of "People who died in the US with COVID" and then assuming that these mRNA shots, which were tested for a month or two, would have saved their lives, despite the fact that the only thing the trials have tested was infection rate (really, positive PCR tests). Using that number in any sort of analysis is insane.

The trials didn't even measure if the vaccines could prevent serious medical effects or death. You are either being completely dishonest here, or have literally no idea what you are talking about.

 

[SeamusR]

That's me: vaxxnostic

Cool !

But you aren't taking any "life saving" figures. You're quoting the figure of "People who died in the US with COVID" and then assuming that these mRNA shots, which were tested for a month or two, would have saved their lives, despite the fact that the only thing the trials have tested was infection rate (really, positive PCR tests). Using that number in any sort of analysis is insane.

The trials didn't even measure if the vaccines could prevent serious medical effects or death. You are either being completely dishonest here, or have literally no idea what you are talking about.

In the UK , the death rate is rapidly approaching 0 in line with the massive vaccination. To get into a positive ‘value’ scenario, the bar is set extremely low for needed ‘saved lives’, 1637 deaths per 90m so let’s say 5000 saved lives in the US to deem vaccination a plus

Setting personal opinions aside, the only data we have seems to lean towards vaccination as a tool to be used in some form (see my previous post for conditions)

 

[Perry Staltic]

Setting personal opinions aside, the only data we have seems to lean towards vaccination as a tool to be used in some form (see my previous post for conditions)

Every bit of covid data is bull****. None of it can be trusted to be able to make the kind of informed decision you're talking about.

 

[Drareg]

That's what Anthony Colpo found in his most recent post on his website. I have seen Alex Berenson make a similar claim on his Twitter feed, that the COVID vaccines account for more adverse reactions in the VAERS database than all other vaccines combined, and 8 times the deaths. I was thinking this might be due to the massive vaccination campaign, but it isn't sheer number of vaccinations that account for this. The numbers Colpo compares show about 90 Million COVID vaccines to about 160 Million Flu shots (in recent flu seasons). It doesn't matter if it's overall numbers or per vaccination, there is something especially dangerous about the COVID shot (which would have to fall into the category of "experimental vaccine" or "experimental drug," although experimental trials are usually dramatically smaller).

CDC Data Shows COVID-19 Vaccines are Far Deadlier than Regular Influenza Vaccines

As I've noted in previous articles, the new COVID-19 vaccines are rapidly accumulating a disturbing number of adverse event and death reports on the US and UK databases. These reports are submitted by medical personnel and members of the public who suspect a vaccine injection contributed to or...

anthonycolpo.com

Doesn't matter how you slice it...... with fewer doses, the reported deaths and adverse effects are far higher than flu shots for the COVID vaccines over 3 months than for the previous two seasons, even if you add deaths and adverse events together.

Maybe they should add some of these figures to the COVID vaccine consent form?

Have you read the COVID 19 Vaccine Consent Form?

Quick video from Yusef El that get's right to the point- Here is the form he read from Inova- https://www.inova.org/sites/default/files/covid-19/documents/Inova_COVID_Vaccine_Consent.pdf I declare that I or my child is 16 years of age or older. I further declare that I or my child: 1. Have...

raypeatforum.com

@haidut @boris @Drareg @Giraffe

Amazing.
All lives matter when it comes to covid19 deaths, folks hysterical on twitter that some folks died with comorbidity’s, now some lives matter when it comes to vaccinations and profit, the "experts" are now saying they didn’t die from the vaccination because they had comorbidity‘s.

 

[Ben.]

Note, I am not pro or anti vaccine, I am data driven and appalled at the inaccurate scaremongering on both sides of the argument.

Thats a good thing.

But the way the data is made or added is where many issues lie. It may be a net positive, i can't say but what is shown and reported is just not the reality of why the people drop dead, it just means covid was found, or there was a positive test on covid before the person died.

The father of a friend died, unrelated to covid, but he had a positive test i think a few weeks or months before his death and they called him/his mother and asked if they could add his fathers death to the covid death statistic/data, if they say yes they would get their funeral payed for. I have no idea if that is common practice or what other kind of bs is happening that adds to the "data" but at this point neither side can prove it objectively. People dying after a vaccine shot or developing health issues may not be causative, but ******* it is just a realy realy odd coincidence that some people die shortly after thhe shot ... i dont believe in coincidences and if we have any basic understanding of biology/chemistry then noone, no scientist or doctor if hes honest enough can deny that it possible for a person to die because of it or its implications.


I agree tho, both sides pick w/e over the top information they can find to enforce their idea of pro or anti vaxxine.

 

[Drareg]

Comparing the deaths from the COVID vaccine to the flu vaccine is really only the starting point of any "value" analysis.

Comparing ONLY the deaths due to each vaccine is invalid/no meaning.

To get any understanding of the overall "value" of a vaccine program one could/should start with the net lives saved (deaths due to the vaccine - lives saved by the vaccine).

Calculating an accurate approximation for "lives saved by the COVID vaccine" would be needed before any statement or comparison of "value" on the COVID vaccine is formed.

Lives saved from the vaccine? how do you estimate this when we consider how they have been categorizing deaths, folks with severe comorbidity’s who were close to death put down as covid19 on the death certificate.
The same "value analysis" can be applied to using 45 cycles for the PCR test now reduced to 35 in some areas just as vaccines are brought out, people who get treated for flu generally have symptoms, many with covid have been categorized without any noticeable symptoms.

Your clearly a covid cult shill.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Cool !


In the UK , the death rate is rapidly approaching 0 in line with the massive vaccination.

Ridiculous. All Cause Mortality is staying about the same as you would expect in the UK.

To get into a positive ‘value’ scenario, the bar is set extremely low for needed ‘saved lives’, 1637 deaths per 90m so let’s say 5000 saved lives in the US to deem vaccination a plus

You assume there are going to be no more deaths reported to VAERS? That seems insane, seeing as this mass vaccination campaign just started, and it's already has the most deaths and the most adverse effects, when compared to all other vaccines.

Setting personal opinions aside, the only data we have seems to lean towards vaccination as a tool to be used in some form (see my previous post for conditions)

Another beyond ridiculous statement. I don't know how limited you are in looking at data or your thinking. COVID and the COVID vaccines are not the only thing people have ever died of. In fact, COVID was only associated with about 2.5% of all worldwide deaths last year, and only associated with about 10% of deaths in the US last year. It was coded insanely aggressively, more so than any other respiratory disease ever is. The worldwide mortality data from 2017 shows about 2.91 million respiratory disease deaths. Since COVID is mainly a respiratory disease, you could get the 2 Million COVID associated deaths pretty easily simply from re-branding respiratory disease deaths (although it seems like more serious diseases like kidney failure and cancer were also rebranded, as were trauma deaths like motorcycle crashes).

If you want to take this experimental mRNA shot, which only has EUA, and not full approval, go ahead. But you might wanna read the consent form first.......

 

[Tim Lundeen]

Um, this 0.5% number is pulled out of thin air (or somewhere else). It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't match what we know. It can't be right.

Where does this number come from, how is it calculated, what is the evidence that supports it?

 

[tankasnowgod]

Um, this 0.5% number is pulled out of thin air (or somewhere else). It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't match what we know. It can't be right.

Where does this number come from, how is it calculated, what is the evidence that supports it?

I think he took it from this line in one of Colpo's articles-

Being asked to blindly believe a bunch of lying degenerates when they urge us to take dangerous and poorly studied drugs, all to prevent an influenza virus with an infection fatality rate of less than 0.5% ... now that is ludicrous.

Which is funny, as Colpo clearly using this to stress how dangerous the vaccines are, compared to the illness they supposedly prevent.

I guess he's assuming that the vaccines will somehow take the IFR down to zero. But no idea what he is basing that on. Certainly note on even the brief results of the clinical trials, as they didn't even study whether the vaccines can prevent serious cases or death.

 

[Tim Lundeen]

Indeed. Surprised we have trolls even here...

 

[tara]

Maybe they should add some of these figures to the COVID vaccine consent form?

Draft text for a consent form could include information something like the following. I expect professionals in the field would come up with something much better - this is just a rough idea.
Note that an approach like this does not exaggerate the benefits or harms of either the vaccines or of the COVID-19 infection itself, and would allow people to think about the risks they want to take with vaccines in the context of the risks of COVID-19 infection.

" I understand the evidence shows that as of 17 Mar 2021:

* The majority of people who become infected with CVID-19 do not get sick enough to require hospital treatment. However, some people get very ill, and either recover with treatment, or have extended symptoms after the initial infection, and some die. There have been approximately 1 death per 56 people confirmed with COVID-19. People of all ages and apparently health have died of COVID-19, However, the risks are higher for people who are very old or who have the following prior conditions:<list conditions...>.
(The case-fatality-rate is 0.018; this may be higher than the death rate per infection, which is harder to measure. Note that if hospitals become overwhelmed by too many cases of COVID-19, the case fatality rate may increase - that is, more of the people who become severely sick with COVID-19 are likely to suffer severe consequences. It is also possible that improved treatments will be developed that improve people's chances of surviving COVID-19, but that is not known yet.)

* There have been approximately 1 death per 610 people in the US from COVID.
(164.11 people per 100 000 population in the US have died from from COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic. As more people become infected, this is likely to increase. )

* The <name-of-vaccine> vaccine has been shown to be <how-many-%> effective at preventing or reducing severity of COVID-19 symptoms in people exposed to it 3 weeks after the first vaccination dose and <how many-%> after the second vaccination dose. This vaccine has been in use for <how many> months. More will be learned about its effects with more time.

* Some people have experienced symptoms of <list symptoms, refer to stats> from this vaccine. There have been approximately 1 death per 56 000 [or adjust to the specific vaccine, if this differs] in people vaccinated in the US; this is similar to the number of people who would have died without either the vaccine or COVID-19; these deaths were not clearly associated with the vaccine. )

For more information, see:

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

<other refs>

If you would like someone to help you understand this information, please ask your <health practitioner/vaccination professional>"

 

[tara]

Um, but saving 0.5% from the covid vaccines is clearly impossible. If all 330M people in the US were vaccinated, using that number would save 1.65M people -- many times more than have died to date (officially 0.55M deaths), despite a year of coronavirus.

Do you have estimated infection rates for the US? I was assuming that there are more people who have yet to become infected over the coming year or two if it continues to circulate. Without tactics to reduce the spread of infection, the current death toll could presumably more than double.

 

[Perry Staltic]

Putting things into perspective...

 

[tara]

Putting things into perspective...

Putting it into perspective,
- People frequently use contraceptive methods that are well-known to be less than 100% effective (abstinence being the only 100% reliable method).
- It's a lot easier to catch COVID-19.
- Ordinary day-to-day necessary activities risk exposure.
- Multiple methods of imperfect protection improve the odds.
- Reducing the rate of spread significantly can help get the pandemic under control and save many lives.
- Both wearing masks and getting vaccinated can play significant roles in reducing spread.

 

[gaze]

@tara but will you take the next vaccine, and then the next one, for every year after that alongside the flu vaccine which is always supposedly 60% effective, as if they really know the real stats? you think a human body can take that many immune stimulants for life and not have complications from it? and you're willing to get a shot from morally compromised corporations that have a track record of fraud, deceit, and harm such as when Johnson and Johnson sold baby powder laced with asbestos for years?

People may need annual COVID-19 vaccine shots, Johnson & Johnson CEO says

The CEO of Johnson & Johnson said Tuesday that people may need to be vaccinated against COVID-19 annually for the next several years — similar to seasonal flu shots. “Unfortunately, as (t…

nypost.com

Johnson & Johnson knew for decades that asbestos lurked in some of its baby powder

Internal documents show that the company's powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept the information quiet.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[tankasnowgod]

Draft text for a consent form could include information something like the following. I expect professionals in the field would come up with something much better - this is just a rough idea.
Note that an approach like this does not exaggerate the benefits or harms of either the vaccines or of the COVID-19 infection itself, and would allow people to think about the risks they want to take with vaccines in the context of the risks of COVID-19 infection.

" I understand the evidence shows that as of 17 Mar 2021:

* The majority of people who become infected with CVID-19 do not get sick enough to require hospital treatment. However, some people get very ill, and either recover with treatment, or have extended symptoms after the initial infection, and some die. There have been approximately 1 death per 56 people confirmed with COVID-19. People of all ages and apparently health have died of COVID-19, However, the risks are higher for people who are very old or who have the following prior conditions:<list conditions...>.
(The case-fatality-rate is 0.018; this may be higher than the death rate per infection, which is harder to measure. Note that if hospitals become overwhelmed by too many cases of COVID-19, the case fatality rate may increase - that is, more of the people who become severely sick with COVID-19 are likely to suffer severe consequences. It is also possible that improved treatments will be developed that improve people's chances of surviving COVID-19, but that is not known yet.)

* There have been approximately 1 death per 610 people in the US from COVID.
(164.11 people per 100 000 population in the US have died from from COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic. As more people become infected, this is likely to increase. )

* The <name-of-vaccine> vaccine has been shown to be <how-many-%> effective at preventing or reducing severity of COVID-19 symptoms in people exposed to it 3 weeks after the first vaccination dose and <how many-%> after the second vaccination dose. This vaccine has been in use for <how many> months. More will be learned about its effects with more time.

* Some people have experienced symptoms of <list symptoms, refer to stats> from this vaccine. There have been approximately 1 death per 56 000 [or adjust to the specific vaccine, if this differs] in people vaccinated in the US; this is similar to the number of people who would have died without either the vaccine or COVID-19; these deaths were not clearly associated with the vaccine. )

For more information, see:

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

<other refs>

If you would like someone to help you understand this information, please ask your <health practitioner/vaccination professional>"

They'll probably just stick with the one that tells people they have zero liability, and all side effects aren't known, that clinical trails are still ongoing (!!!!!!), and that there are no guarantees it even works.

 

[tankasnowgod]

@tara but will you take the next vaccine, and then the next one, for every year after that alongside the flu vaccine which is always supposedly 60% effective, as if they really know the real stats? you think a human body can take that many immune stimulants for life and not have complications from it? and you're willing to get a shot from morally compromised corporations that have a track record of fraud, deceit, and harm such as when Johnson and Johnson sold baby powder laced with asbestos for years?

People may need annual COVID-19 vaccine shots, Johnson & Johnson CEO says

The CEO of Johnson & Johnson said Tuesday that people may need to be vaccinated against COVID-19 annually for the next several years — similar to seasonal flu shots. “Unfortunately, as (t…

nypost.com

Johnson & Johnson knew for decades that asbestos lurked in some of its baby powder

Internal documents show that the company's powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept the information quiet.

www.nbcnews.com

Colpo points out that the government of Austrialia has ordered more than 150 Million doses for a country with a population less than 26 Million.

So, either they intend to inject each citizen with 6 doses of the vaccine...... or this is just an excuse to bribe drug companies with a huge amount of money, possibly 3-30 Billion dollars, depending on the price they arranged-

Pfizer eyes higher prices for COVID-19 vaccine after the pandemic wanes: exec, analyst

Amid the high-stakes fight against COVID-19, a company at the forefront of the vaccine effort is | Amid the high-stakes fight against COVID-19, a company at the forefront of the vaccine effort is laying plans to hike prices after the crisis. A top Pfizer exec said the drugmaker aims to charge...

www.fiercepharma.com

Pfizer has said it expects $15 billion from its COVID-19 vaccine this year, but if the company charges higher prices after the pandemic, it could continue to reap significant sales from the product in the years to come, particularly if routine boosters are needed as variants arise.

 

[rei]

"The only way to determine the risk of death from the COVID vaccines is to tabulate EVERY death in the days following vaccination and then to compare those rates to historic daily death rates in each age category. "

see how germany's cost-saving operation is going After vaccination: Number of deaths in nursing homes explodes

The graphs shows whole of 2020 before vaccination vs. 2 months after. Now calculate the state-run nursing home's cost savings by multiplying the cost of treating one nursing home patient with number eradicated with vaccines. Pretty welcomed business for a state accountant trying to balance books in the middle of a financial system about to explode yet again.