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Another great letter by the doctors for covid ethics (Letter to Physicians: Four New Scientific Discoveries Regarding the Safety and Efficacy of COVID-19 Vaccines) This is a link to their first (BRILLIANT) letter Press Release: Urgent open letter to EMA from doctors & scientists regarding vaccine safety concerns.

09/07/2021

Letter to Physicians: Four New Scientific Discoveries Regarding the Safety and Efficacy of COVID-19 Vaccines​

Analysis

Doctors for Covid ethics has sent the following letter to tens of thousands of doctors in Europe, summarising four recent scientific findings critical to the COVID-19 vaccination program. The letter explains each finding as it relates to the biology of COVID-19 vaccines, including interactions with the immune system.
Taken together, the letter warns that these new pieces of evidence force all physicians administering COVID-19 vaccines to re-evaluate the merits of COVID-19 vaccination, in the interests of their own ethical standing, and their patients’ safety and health.
A video explanation of the underlying immunology by Professor Sucharit Bhakdi MD is here, with German subtitles here.

D4CE TO PHYSICIANS​

Dear Colleague:
Four recent scientific discoveries are herewith brought to your urgent attention. They alter the entire landscape of the COVID-19 pandemic, and they force us to reassess the merits of vaccination against SARS-CoV-2.

Summary​

Rapid and efficient memory-type immune responses occur reliably in virtually all unvaccinated individuals who are exposed to SARS-CoV-2. The effectiveness of further boosting the immune response through vaccination is therefore highly doubtful. Vaccination may instead aggravate disease through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).

Discovery 1: SARS-CoV-2 spike protein circulates shortly after vaccination​

SARS-CoV-2 proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participants who received two doses of Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine [1]. With 11 of the 13, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was detected in the blood within only one day after the first vaccine injection.
Significance. Spike protein molecules were produced within cells that are in contact with the bloodstream—mostly endothelial cells—and released into the circulation. This means that a) the immune system will attack those endothelial cells, and b) the circulating spike protein molecules will activate thrombocytes. Both effects will promote blood clotting. This explains the many clotting-related adverse events—stroke, heart attack, venous thrombosis—that are being reported after vaccination.

Discovery 2: Rapid, memory-type antibody response after vaccination​

Several studies have demonstrated that circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific IgG and IgA antibodies became detectable within 1-2 weeks after application of mRNA vaccines [1–3].
Significance. Rapid production of IgG and IgA always indicates a secondary, memory-type response that is elicited through re-stimulation of pre-existing immune cells. Primary immune responses to novel antigens take longer to evolve and initially produce IgM antibodies, which is then followed by the isotype switch to IgG and IgA.
A certain amount of IgM was indeed detected alongside IgG and IgA in some studies [1,4]. Importantly, however, IgG rose faster than IgM [4], which confirms that the early IgG response was indeed of the memory type. This memory response indicates pre-existing, cross-reactive immunity due to previous infection with ordinary respiratory human coronavirus strains. The delayed IgM response most likely represents a primary response to novel epitopes which are specific to SARS-CoV-2.
Memory-type responses have also been documented with respect to T-cell-mediated immunity [5–7]. Overall, these findings indicate that our immune system efficiently recognizes SARS-CoV-2 as “known” even on first contact. Severe cases of the disease thus cannot be ascribed to lacking immunity. Instead, severe cases might very well be caused or aggravated by pre-existing immunity through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE, see below).

Discovery 3: SARS-CoV-2 elicits robust adaptive immune responses regardless of disease severity​

Serum antibody profiles were reported for 203 individuals following SARS-CoV-2 infection [8]. 202 (>99%) of the participants exhibited SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies. With 193 individuals (95%), these antibodies prevented SARS-CoV-2 infection in cell culture and also inhibited binding of the spike protein to the ACE2 receptor. Furthermore, CD8+ T-cell responses specific for SARS-CoV-2 were clear and quantifiable in 95 of 106 (90%) HLA-A2-positive individuals.
Significance. This study confirms the above assertion that the immune response to initial contact with SARS-CoV-2 is of the memory type. In addition, it shows that this reaction occurs with almost all individuals, and particularly also with those who experience no manifest clinical symptoms.
The goal of the vaccination is to stimulate production of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, but we now know that such antibodies can and will be rapidly generated by everyone upon the slightest viral challenge, even without vaccination.
Severe lung infections always take many days to develop, which means that if the antibodies generated by the memory response are needed, they will arrive on time. Therefore, vaccination is unlikely to provide significant benefit with respect to the prevention of severe lung infection.

Discovery 4: Rapid increase of spike protein antibodies after the second injection of mRNA vaccines​

IgG and IgA antibody titres were monitored before vaccination and after the first and the second injection of mRNA vaccines [3]. Antibody titres rose with some delay after the first injection, then plateaued, but rose again very shortly after the second injection.
Significance. Even though the antibody response to the first injection is of the memory type, the small time lag after the injection may mitigate adverse reactions, because the abundance of spike protein on the cells in the blood vessel walls and in other tissues may have already passed its peak when the antibodies arrive.
The situation changes dramatically with the second injection. Then the spikes are produced and protrude into the bloodstream that is already swarming with both reactive lymphocytes and antibodies. The antibodies will cause the complement system [9,10] and also neutrophil granulocytes to attack the spike protein-bearing cells. The possible consequences of all-out self-attack by the immune system are frightening.

Antibody-dependent enhancement of disease​

As described, memory-type immune responses ensure the rapid rise of antibody titres after initial exposure to SARS-CoV-2, rendering the benefit of vaccine-induced antibody response exceedingly doubtful. Regardless, we should not assume that high antibody titres against SARS-CoV-2 will always improve the clinical outcome. With several virus families—in particular with Dengue virus, but also with coronaviruses—antibodies can aggravate rather than mitigate disease. This occurs because certain cells of the immune system take up antibody-tagged microbes and destroy them. If a virus particle to which antibodies have bound is taken up by such a cell, but it then manages to evade destruction, it may instead start to multiply within the cell. Overall, the antibody will then have enhanced the replication of the virus. Clinically, this antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) can cause a hyperinflammatory response (a “cytokine storm”) that will amplify the damage to the lungs, liver and other organs of our body.
Attempts to develop vaccines to the original SARS virus, which is closely related to SARS-CoV-2, repeatedly failed due to ADE. The vaccines did induce antibodies, but when the vaccinated animals were subsequently infected with the virus, they became more ill than the unvaccinated controls (see e.g. [11]). The possibility of ADE was not adequately addressed in the clinical trials on any of the COVID-19 vaccines. It is therefore prudent to avoid the danger of inducing ADE through vaccination and instead rely on proven forms of treatment [12] for dealing with clinically severe COVID-19 disease.

Conclusion​

The collective findings discussed above clearly show that the benefits of vaccination are highly doubtful. In contrast, the harm the vaccines do is very well substantiated, with more than 15.000 vaccination-associated deaths now documented in the EU drug adverse events database (EudraVigilance), and over 7.000 more deaths within the UK and the US [13].
ALL PHYSICIANS MUST RECONSIDER THE ETHICAL ISSUES SURROUNDING COVID-19 VACCINATION.

References​

1. Ogata, A.F. et al. (2021) Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients. Clin. Infect. Dis (preprint)
2. Amanat, F. et al. (2021) SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination induces functionally diverse antibodies to NTD, RBD and S2. Cell (preprint)
3. Wisnewski, A.V. et al. (2021) Human IgG and IgA responses to COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. PLoS One 16:e0249499
4. Qu, J. et al. (2020) Profile of Immunoglobulin G and IgM Antibodies Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Clin. Infect. Dis. 71:2255-2258
5. Le Bert, N. et al. (2020) SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls. Nature 584:457-462
6. Grifoni, A. et al. (2020) Targets of T Cell Responses to SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus in Humans with COVID-19 Disease and Unexposed Individuals. Cell 181:1489-1501.e15
7. Gallais, F. et al. (2021) Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Associated with Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion. Emerg. Infect. Dis. 27 (preprint)
8. Nielsen, S.S. et al. (2021) SARS-CoV-2 elicits robust adaptive immune responses regardless of disease severity. EBioMedicine 68:103410
9. Magro, C.M. et al. (2020) Docked severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 proteins within the cutaneous and subcutaneous microvasculature and their role in the pathogenesis of severe coronavirus disease 2019. Hum. Pathol. 106:106-116
10. Magro, C.M. et al. (2021) Severe COVID-19: A multifaceted viral vasculopathy syndrome. Annals of diagnostic pathology 50:151645
11. Tseng, C. et al. (2012) Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus. PLoS One 7:e35421
12. McCullough, P.A. et al. (2021) Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection. Am. J. Med. 134:16-22
13. Johnson, L. (2021) Official Vaccine Injury and Fatality Data: EU, UK and US.
Love these Doctors 4 Covid Ethics!
 

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This was a "mock" scenario put out in 2017 by John Hopkins. Dates are changed but this is the playbook for what's happening including the deadly vax. Remember that the PCR's were shipped worldwide in 2017 labeled covid 19 test equipment. When did Satan make his statement?
I know - that is why it is soooo telling the extent of the planning.
 

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This is abusive treatment/bullying in your home. It isn't abusive to protect yourself from this experimental jab that is hurting so many people. If your dad believes the vaxx works, then he should not worry about the ones who are "protected" by it already. If it protects them, there should be no problem if he were thinking sanely.

We who know what's going on have a responsibility to take care of ourselves so we can help others, especially later on when many more will be ill from this shot. It's a lot harder when you live with those who don't know the truth. They've been brainwashed into believing things that don't make sense. But, you may be the only one in your family, in year or so, who can help the others.

I'm feeling crummy too. Some of our friends who said they would not get the shot, did it to "return to a normal life." One friend regrets getting it and now sees what's going on. But he isn't nearby. Only one un-vaxxed friend is nearby and she doesn't talk about it or read a lot. So, no support nearby. I don't know if that's any help to you but I hope it's a little.

Thank you. I do agree with this. It's pretty scary to imagine what may happen within the year. One of the worst case scenarios would be the vaccines causing catastrophic damage and it ALL being blamed on the unvaccinated. That seems to be the case. It's funny. Most of my life I imagined how crazy the Salem Witch Trials were, and thought something like that couldn't happen now because people have developed so much since then -- well, guess what! I suppose not.

Puts it into perspective to think of things like the Witch Trials. People have not changed since then. Use fear and people will believe things that make no sense.

@Rick K There's so much on this forum it's hard to find a brief summary. I appreciate that. So the virus is actually US made, not China made. This would explain the "surfacing" of the "truth" that it was leaked from a lab in China and that it was deliberately being engineered in China as a bioweapon.

@akgrrrl Thank you again so much. Your words are inspiring.


Another great letter by the doctors for covid ethics (Letter to Physicians: Four New Scientific Discoveries Regarding the Safety and Efficacy of COVID-19 Vaccines) This is a link to their first (BRILLIANT) letter Press Release: Urgent open letter to EMA from doctors & scientists regarding vaccine safety concerns.

09/07/2021

Letter to Physicians: Four New Scientific Discoveries Regarding the Safety and Efficacy of COVID-19 Vaccines​

Analysis

Doctors for Covid ethics has sent the following letter to tens of thousands of doctors in Europe, summarising four recent scientific findings critical to the COVID-19 vaccination program. The letter explains each finding as it relates to the biology of COVID-19 vaccines, including interactions with the immune system.
Taken together, the letter warns that these new pieces of evidence force all physicians administering COVID-19 vaccines to re-evaluate the merits of COVID-19 vaccination, in the interests of their own ethical standing, and their patients’ safety and health.
A video explanation of the underlying immunology by Professor Sucharit Bhakdi MD is here, with German subtitles here.

D4CE TO PHYSICIANS​

Dear Colleague:
Four recent scientific discoveries are herewith brought to your urgent attention. They alter the entire landscape of the COVID-19 pandemic, and they force us to reassess the merits of vaccination against SARS-CoV-2.

Summary​

Rapid and efficient memory-type immune responses occur reliably in virtually all unvaccinated individuals who are exposed to SARS-CoV-2. The effectiveness of further boosting the immune response through vaccination is therefore highly doubtful. Vaccination may instead aggravate disease through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).

Discovery 1: SARS-CoV-2 spike protein circulates shortly after vaccination​

SARS-CoV-2 proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participants who received two doses of Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine [1]. With 11 of the 13, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was detected in the blood within only one day after the first vaccine injection.
Significance. Spike protein molecules were produced within cells that are in contact with the bloodstream—mostly endothelial cells—and released into the circulation. This means that a) the immune system will attack those endothelial cells, and b) the circulating spike protein molecules will activate thrombocytes. Both effects will promote blood clotting. This explains the many clotting-related adverse events—stroke, heart attack, venous thrombosis—that are being reported after vaccination.

Discovery 2: Rapid, memory-type antibody response after vaccination​

Several studies have demonstrated that circulating SARS-CoV-2-specific IgG and IgA antibodies became detectable within 1-2 weeks after application of mRNA vaccines [1–3].
Significance. Rapid production of IgG and IgA always indicates a secondary, memory-type response that is elicited through re-stimulation of pre-existing immune cells. Primary immune responses to novel antigens take longer to evolve and initially produce IgM antibodies, which is then followed by the isotype switch to IgG and IgA.
A certain amount of IgM was indeed detected alongside IgG and IgA in some studies [1,4]. Importantly, however, IgG rose faster than IgM [4], which confirms that the early IgG response was indeed of the memory type. This memory response indicates pre-existing, cross-reactive immunity due to previous infection with ordinary respiratory human coronavirus strains. The delayed IgM response most likely represents a primary response to novel epitopes which are specific to SARS-CoV-2.
Memory-type responses have also been documented with respect to T-cell-mediated immunity [5–7]. Overall, these findings indicate that our immune system efficiently recognizes SARS-CoV-2 as “known” even on first contact. Severe cases of the disease thus cannot be ascribed to lacking immunity. Instead, severe cases might very well be caused or aggravated by pre-existing immunity through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE, see below).

Discovery 3: SARS-CoV-2 elicits robust adaptive immune responses regardless of disease severity​

Serum antibody profiles were reported for 203 individuals following SARS-CoV-2 infection [8]. 202 (>99%) of the participants exhibited SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies. With 193 individuals (95%), these antibodies prevented SARS-CoV-2 infection in cell culture and also inhibited binding of the spike protein to the ACE2 receptor. Furthermore, CD8+ T-cell responses specific for SARS-CoV-2 were clear and quantifiable in 95 of 106 (90%) HLA-A2-positive individuals.
Significance. This study confirms the above assertion that the immune response to initial contact with SARS-CoV-2 is of the memory type. In addition, it shows that this reaction occurs with almost all individuals, and particularly also with those who experience no manifest clinical symptoms.
The goal of the vaccination is to stimulate production of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, but we now know that such antibodies can and will be rapidly generated by everyone upon the slightest viral challenge, even without vaccination.
Severe lung infections always take many days to develop, which means that if the antibodies generated by the memory response are needed, they will arrive on time. Therefore, vaccination is unlikely to provide significant benefit with respect to the prevention of severe lung infection.

Discovery 4: Rapid increase of spike protein antibodies after the second injection of mRNA vaccines​

IgG and IgA antibody titres were monitored before vaccination and after the first and the second injection of mRNA vaccines [3]. Antibody titres rose with some delay after the first injection, then plateaued, but rose again very shortly after the second injection.
Significance. Even though the antibody response to the first injection is of the memory type, the small time lag after the injection may mitigate adverse reactions, because the abundance of spike protein on the cells in the blood vessel walls and in other tissues may have already passed its peak when the antibodies arrive.
The situation changes dramatically with the second injection. Then the spikes are produced and protrude into the bloodstream that is already swarming with both reactive lymphocytes and antibodies. The antibodies will cause the complement system [9,10] and also neutrophil granulocytes to attack the spike protein-bearing cells. The possible consequences of all-out self-attack by the immune system are frightening.

Antibody-dependent enhancement of disease​

As described, memory-type immune responses ensure the rapid rise of antibody titres after initial exposure to SARS-CoV-2, rendering the benefit of vaccine-induced antibody response exceedingly doubtful. Regardless, we should not assume that high antibody titres against SARS-CoV-2 will always improve the clinical outcome. With several virus families—in particular with Dengue virus, but also with coronaviruses—antibodies can aggravate rather than mitigate disease. This occurs because certain cells of the immune system take up antibody-tagged microbes and destroy them. If a virus particle to which antibodies have bound is taken up by such a cell, but it then manages to evade destruction, it may instead start to multiply within the cell. Overall, the antibody will then have enhanced the replication of the virus. Clinically, this antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) can cause a hyperinflammatory response (a “cytokine storm”) that will amplify the damage to the lungs, liver and other organs of our body.
Attempts to develop vaccines to the original SARS virus, which is closely related to SARS-CoV-2, repeatedly failed due to ADE. The vaccines did induce antibodies, but when the vaccinated animals were subsequently infected with the virus, they became more ill than the unvaccinated controls (see e.g. [11]). The possibility of ADE was not adequately addressed in the clinical trials on any of the COVID-19 vaccines. It is therefore prudent to avoid the danger of inducing ADE through vaccination and instead rely on proven forms of treatment [12] for dealing with clinically severe COVID-19 disease.

Conclusion​

The collective findings discussed above clearly show that the benefits of vaccination are highly doubtful. In contrast, the harm the vaccines do is very well substantiated, with more than 15.000 vaccination-associated deaths now documented in the EU drug adverse events database (EudraVigilance), and over 7.000 more deaths within the UK and the US [13].
ALL PHYSICIANS MUST RECONSIDER THE ETHICAL ISSUES SURROUNDING COVID-19 VACCINATION.

References​

1. Ogata, A.F. et al. (2021) Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients. Clin. Infect. Dis (preprint)
2. Amanat, F. et al. (2021) SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination induces functionally diverse antibodies to NTD, RBD and S2. Cell (preprint)
3. Wisnewski, A.V. et al. (2021) Human IgG and IgA responses to COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. PLoS One 16:e0249499
4. Qu, J. et al. (2020) Profile of Immunoglobulin G and IgM Antibodies Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Clin. Infect. Dis. 71:2255-2258
5. Le Bert, N. et al. (2020) SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls. Nature 584:457-462
6. Grifoni, A. et al. (2020) Targets of T Cell Responses to SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus in Humans with COVID-19 Disease and Unexposed Individuals. Cell 181:1489-1501.e15
7. Gallais, F. et al. (2021) Intrafamilial Exposure to SARS-CoV-2 Associated with Cellular Immune Response without Seroconversion. Emerg. Infect. Dis. 27 (preprint)
8. Nielsen, S.S. et al. (2021) SARS-CoV-2 elicits robust adaptive immune responses regardless of disease severity. EBioMedicine 68:103410
9. Magro, C.M. et al. (2020) Docked severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 proteins within the cutaneous and subcutaneous microvasculature and their role in the pathogenesis of severe coronavirus disease 2019. Hum. Pathol. 106:106-116
10. Magro, C.M. et al. (2021) Severe COVID-19: A multifaceted viral vasculopathy syndrome. Annals of diagnostic pathology 50:151645
11. Tseng, C. et al. (2012) Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus. PLoS One 7:e35421
12. McCullough, P.A. et al. (2021) Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection. Am. J. Med. 134:16-22
13. Johnson, L. (2021) Official Vaccine Injury and Fatality Data: EU, UK and US.

Incredible. I've been meaning to collect resources and citations for arguments against taking the shot. Ironically I am hesitant to use them to defend myself or explain myself because I don't want anyone who already got the vaccine to make themselves sick worrying over things like this. It's tragic. People are doing it because they think they're helping themselves and others.
 

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@Rick K that PDF is pretty damning. This part on page 55. Sounds eerily similar to what's been happening very recently. Just sharing for anyone who hasn't downloaded or read it yet, as this part stood out to me just now:

To reach members of these groups—which, with the exception of the pocketed communities, were
largely spread throughout the country—the US government added a new, aggressive advertising
campaign to its pro-vaccination efforts. This campaign provided targeted internet advertisements to
individuals as they conducted web searches or visited anti-vaccination websites. If someone searched
Google for “Corovax side effects,” for example, a sidebar advertisement appeared on the results page
explaining the benefits of the vaccine. Likewise, if someone wished to view the Kalocivir vomiting
video on YouTube, they would first have to watch either a montage of pictures illustrating the effects
of SPARS or a clip of Paul Farmer’s explanation of Corovax’s benefits. This advertisement campaign
required government officials to leverage relationships in the information technology industry,
including the many companies involved with social media, but the impact was worth the effort.
Vaccination rates eventually began increasing across all targeted demographics except the most
recalcitrant anti-vaccine activists."

Despite the stubborn persistence of the echo-chamber, where increasingly connected individuals
persistently chose to only listen to opinions that mirrored their own, not all opinions remained static
throughout the SPARS pandemic. In January 2027, Alyssa Karpowitz, one of the most outspoken anti
Kalocivir and anti-Corovax activists and a leader in the natural medicine movement, had an experience
that changed her stance on the use of “expired” antibiotics. Her youngest son, Lennon, contracted a
mild case of SPARS and experienced few complications, but several months later he developed a severe
case of post-SPARS bacterial pneumonia. Alyssa attempted to treat Lennon with a variety of natural
medicines, but his condition deteriorated. Desperate, she took him to her local emergency department
where he was administered a dose of intravenous antibiotics deployed to the hospital from the SNS. As
Alyssa later described, “The effect was almost instantaneous. Within a day I had my beautiful baby boy
back!”

As a result of this experience, Alyssa used all of her connections in the natural medicine and anti
vaccine circles to share her story and her newfound belief in the safety and effectiveness of “expired”
antibiotics. While her message about the antibiotics being expired was erroneous, her outreach proved
extremely effective. While many people who participated in these groups were no longer listening to
official or even unofficial communications about the safety and effectiveness of the recommended
pharmaceuticals, they were willing to listen to Alyssa. As a result, the opposition to “expired”
antibiotics in the groups to which Alyssa belonged began to dissipate.

When government health authorities became aware of the impact of Alyssa’s story on her followers
and others who heard about her son’s recovery, they began to expand their use of social media to
gather accounts of positive experiences with Corovax and antibiotics used to treat post-SPARS
pneumonia. The CDC in particular began mining data from public social media sources for positive
stories they could include in their new outreach efforts. While limited to individuals who were still
receiving messages from the CDC, or news outlets that reported information from the CDC, the
impact of these outreach efforts was positive. National surveys conducted in the months following
Alyssa’s decision to give her son antibiotics and the government’s efforts to promote Corovax showed
that opposition to Corovax decreased by 23% and opposition to antibiotic use from the SNS decreased
by 61% among the general US population.
 

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Oh your situation kills me Jib! So awful for someone your age to get this much stress in your life, especially when life was hard enough being young and figuring stuff out. Do you have relatives that are on the non-vax side? I feel like it not gonna get any better before it gets worse so we all need to say our prayers, take a deep breath and avoid everyone that makes life harder. When the vax came and I knew something was amiss with it being developed in a matter of months, and they were calling it "Experimental", I knew I was gonna have to plan an unsure future. Rather than worry I had to put it into perspective and I said to myself, "I would rather die healthy than live sick." Last night I said to my guy, "I would rather die healthy that have my freedom taken away from me". I left my home as a teen because of an abusive step father and my mother tried her hardest to guilt me into staying, and in the end accused me of abandoning the family. I am still proud of myself for standing up against wrong at a young age. That moment defined me. Keep standing up Jib. I use to want people to like me, but now I think it is more important for them to respect me, and definetly don't mess with me. We are all here for you and each other during these awful times. Thanks for your kind words about me :)

Absolutely. Very sorry you've had to go through all of this too. Respect is more important than being liked for sure. I've spent my entire life trapped in that mindset due to childhood abuse -- online I can speak my mind but in person I clam up and simply go along with what anyone says without challenging them. I used to think I was a coward but I realize this is an ingrained, conditioned response.

The first year of COVID was almost like a dream state. Now things are getting more ominous. Every single time I've gone upstairs, there's Fox news pushing people to get the vaccine. It's nearly constant. It's to the point I don't even want to go up there for anything. My dad still really wants me to get it and I go upstairs to make a cup of coffee and bam -- Fox news has someone on saying "If you care about your life, your family and friends' lives, American lives and America in general, get the vaccine. Just go get it now. We all know that it works. We all have the information. Just go do it."

And then Biden on there urging people to get the vaccine. As many people as possible. Do it, do it, do it.

I feel like I need to continue to look at anti-vaccination arguments and studies and statistics because the anti-anti-vaxx media is becoming overwhelming. I have a friend who claims he had COVID and over 6 months later is still nauseated by foods that he used to love, has severely compromised sense of smell, extreme brain fog and anxiety, etc.

However, I also have another friend who received both shots. Three weeks later he got COVID, and a bad case at that. And another friend of a friend that got vaccinated and shortly after got COVID.

And another friend of a friend who is a local doctor and claimed that he had tested a patient for COVID. They came back negative, and died the next day. He didn't check COVID as a cause of death and he was threatened to do it. He was told he had to check the box or he was going to have to go in for a review and potentially lose his job. So he just checked it off and let it be.

I also have a neighbor who tested positive for COVID. Funny thing is he didn't take the test. He signed his name to get in line to get tested, but the line ended up taking too long and he went home without actually taking the test. He gets a call an hour or two later from the clinic telling him that they got his results and he had tested positive for COVID.

It's all a mess. Really. What concerns me is it seems the vaccine pushers, whoever they are (at this point, who are "they"? The hive mind?) -- have thoroughly confused and conditioned so many people. That the pressure is so high. I know someone recently who just gave up and got the shot because they couldn't deal with knowing what to believe or what not to believe and having all this conflicting information, and the vaccine is definitely the 'path of least resistance.'

No one but people on the fringe will be worried that you got vaccinated. It's the "acceptable" thing to do, and an easy out from the rapidly increasing social pressure and guilting/shaming/etc. So many people will likely give up, say screw it, and get the shot just to get away from the social pressure and discomfort of it all.

Very concerning to imagine that that is the point of all this. To wear people down. It isn't overt authoritarianism. It's covert. Scare people and turn people against each other, and use the subtle mechanics of social dynamics to wear people down and get them to comply of their own free will. Free -- but battered and bruised and tired.

My mind has been blown at how constantly this BS is on TV. It's almost like every 5 minutes they're urging people to get the vaccine. George Orwell is rolling over in his grave.
 

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I also have a neighbor who tested positive for COVID. Funny thing is he didn't take the test. He signed his name to get in line to get tested, but the line ended up taking too long and he went home without actually taking the test. He gets a call an hour or two later from the clinic telling him that they got his results and he had tested positive for COVID.
lol

Also, doing what the abusers tell you is never a good idea. It might seem like it would get them off your back, but to them and to your subconscious it signals that you are subservient. Anything you give will be used against you.
 

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@Rick K that PDF is pretty damning. This part on page 55. Sounds eerily similar to what's been happening very recently. Just sharing for anyone who hasn't downloaded or read it yet, as this part stood out to me just now:

To reach members of these groups—which, with the exception of the pocketed communities, were
largely spread throughout the country—the US government added a new, aggressive advertising
campaign to its pro-vaccination efforts. This campaign provided targeted internet advertisements to
individuals as they conducted web searches or visited anti-vaccination websites. If someone searched
Google for “Corovax side effects,” for example, a sidebar advertisement appeared on the results page
explaining the benefits of the vaccine. Likewise, if someone wished to view the Kalocivir vomiting
video on YouTube, they would first have to watch either a montage of pictures illustrating the effects
of SPARS or a clip of Paul Farmer’s explanation of Corovax’s benefits. This advertisement campaign
required government officials to leverage relationships in the information technology industry,
including the many companies involved with social media, but the impact was worth the effort.
Vaccination rates eventually began increasing across all targeted demographics except the most
recalcitrant anti-vaccine activists."

Despite the stubborn persistence of the echo-chamber, where increasingly connected individuals
persistently chose to only listen to opinions that mirrored their own, not all opinions remained static
throughout the SPARS pandemic. In January 2027, Alyssa Karpowitz, one of the most outspoken anti
Kalocivir and anti-Corovax activists and a leader in the natural medicine movement, had an experience
that changed her stance on the use of “expired” antibiotics. Her youngest son, Lennon, contracted a
mild case of SPARS and experienced few complications, but several months later he developed a severe
case of post-SPARS bacterial pneumonia. Alyssa attempted to treat Lennon with a variety of natural
medicines, but his condition deteriorated. Desperate, she took him to her local emergency department
where he was administered a dose of intravenous antibiotics deployed to the hospital from the SNS. As
Alyssa later described, “The effect was almost instantaneous. Within a day I had my beautiful baby boy
back!”

As a result of this experience, Alyssa used all of her connections in the natural medicine and anti
vaccine circles to share her story and her newfound belief in the safety and effectiveness of “expired”
antibiotics. While her message about the antibiotics being expired was erroneous, her outreach proved
extremely effective. While many people who participated in these groups were no longer listening to
official or even unofficial communications about the safety and effectiveness of the recommended
pharmaceuticals, they were willing to listen to Alyssa. As a result, the opposition to “expired”
antibiotics in the groups to which Alyssa belonged began to dissipate.

When government health authorities became aware of the impact of Alyssa’s story on her followers
and others who heard about her son’s recovery, they began to expand their use of social media to
gather accounts of positive experiences with Corovax and antibiotics used to treat post-SPARS
pneumonia. The CDC in particular began mining data from public social media sources for positive
stories they could include in their new outreach efforts. While limited to individuals who were still
receiving messages from the CDC, or news outlets that reported information from the CDC, the
impact of these outreach efforts was positive. National surveys conducted in the months following
Alyssa’s decision to give her son antibiotics and the government’s efforts to promote Corovax showed
that opposition to Corovax decreased by 23% and opposition to antibiotic use from the SNS decreased
by 61% among the general US population.
This is the playbook for what's happening right now. So important to read.
 

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Absolutely. Very sorry you've had to go through all of this too. Respect is more important than being liked for sure. I've spent my entire life trapped in that mindset due to childhood abuse -- online I can speak my mind but in person I clam up and simply go along with what anyone says without challenging them. I used to think I was a coward but I realize this is an ingrained, conditioned response.

The first year of COVID was almost like a dream state. Now things are getting more ominous. Every single time I've gone upstairs, there's Fox news pushing people to get the vaccine. It's nearly constant. It's to the point I don't even want to go up there for anything. My dad still really wants me to get it and I go upstairs to make a cup of coffee and bam -- Fox news has someone on saying "If you care about your life, your family and friends' lives, American lives and America in general, get the vaccine. Just go get it now. We all know that it works. We all have the information. Just go do it."

And then Biden on there urging people to get the vaccine. As many people as possible. Do it, do it, do it.

I feel like I need to continue to look at anti-vaccination arguments and studies and statistics because the anti-anti-vaxx media is becoming overwhelming. I have a friend who claims he had COVID and over 6 months later is still nauseated by foods that he used to love, has severely compromised sense of smell, extreme brain fog and anxiety, etc.

However, I also have another friend who received both shots. Three weeks later he got COVID, and a bad case at that. And another friend of a friend that got vaccinated and shortly after got COVID.

And another friend of a friend who is a local doctor and claimed that he had tested a patient for COVID. They came back negative, and died the next day. He didn't check COVID as a cause of death and he was threatened to do it. He was told he had to check the box or he was going to have to go in for a review and potentially lose his job. So he just checked it off and let it be.

I also have a neighbor who tested positive for COVID. Funny thing is he didn't take the test. He signed his name to get in line to get tested, but the line ended up taking too long and he went home without actually taking the test. He gets a call an hour or two later from the clinic telling him that they got his results and he had tested positive for COVID.

It's all a mess. Really. What concerns me is it seems the vaccine pushers, whoever they are (at this point, who are "they"? The hive mind?) -- have thoroughly confused and conditioned so many people. That the pressure is so high. I know someone recently who just gave up and got the shot because they couldn't deal with knowing what to believe or what not to believe and having all this conflicting information, and the vaccine is definitely the 'path of least resistance.'

No one but people on the fringe will be worried that you got vaccinated. It's the "acceptable" thing to do, and an easy out from the rapidly increasing social pressure and guilting/shaming/etc. So many people will likely give up, say screw it, and get the shot just to get away from the social pressure and discomfort of it all.

Very concerning to imagine that that is the point of all this. To wear people down. It isn't overt authoritarianism. It's covert. Scare people and turn people against each other, and use the subtle mechanics of social dynamics to wear people down and get them to comply of their own free will. Free -- but battered and bruised and tired.

My mind has been blown at how constantly this BS is on TV. It's almost like every 5 minutes they're urging people to get the vaccine. George Orwell is rolling over in his grave.
Thanks for what was news to me.

I thought things were bad. And I've equated it to the witch trials too. But, I haven't watched tv, so didn't know how strong and constant the push was on Fox News. I could feel it everywhere though if you know what I mean.

I had enough signs and symptoms to know I had the covid last October. But, I hate to talk about being ill, so told nobody but my husband. Otherwise, I'd have an almost acceptable excuse around my neighborhood.
 

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Absolutely. Very sorry you've had to go through all of this too. Respect is more important than being liked for sure. I've spent my entire life trapped in that mindset due to childhood abuse -- online I can speak my mind but in person I clam up and simply go along with what anyone says without challenging them. I used to think I was a coward but I realize this is an ingrained, conditioned response.

The first year of COVID was almost like a dream state. Now things are getting more ominous. Every single time I've gone upstairs, there's Fox news pushing people to get the vaccine. It's nearly constant. It's to the point I don't even want to go up there for anything. My dad still really wants me to get it and I go upstairs to make a cup of coffee and bam -- Fox news has someone on saying "If you care about your life, your family and friends' lives, American lives and America in general, get the vaccine. Just go get it now. We all know that it works. We all have the information. Just go do it."

And then Biden on there urging people to get the vaccine. As many people as possible. Do it, do it, do it.

I feel like I need to continue to look at anti-vaccination arguments and studies and statistics because the anti-anti-vaxx media is becoming overwhelming. I have a friend who claims he had COVID and over 6 months later is still nauseated by foods that he used to love, has severely compromised sense of smell, extreme brain fog and anxiety, etc.

However, I also have another friend who received both shots. Three weeks later he got COVID, and a bad case at that. And another friend of a friend that got vaccinated and shortly after got COVID.

And another friend of a friend who is a local doctor and claimed that he had tested a patient for COVID. They came back negative, and died the next day. He didn't check COVID as a cause of death and he was threatened to do it. He was told he had to check the box or he was going to have to go in for a review and potentially lose his job. So he just checked it off and let it be.

I also have a neighbor who tested positive for COVID. Funny thing is he didn't take the test. He signed his name to get in line to get tested, but the line ended up taking too long and he went home without actually taking the test. He gets a call an hour or two later from the clinic telling him that they got his results and he had tested positive for COVID.

It's all a mess. Really. What concerns me is it seems the vaccine pushers, whoever they are (at this point, who are "they"? The hive mind?) -- have thoroughly confused and conditioned so many people. That the pressure is so high. I know someone recently who just gave up and got the shot because they couldn't deal with knowing what to believe or what not to believe and having all this conflicting information, and the vaccine is definitely the 'path of least resistance.'

No one but people on the fringe will be worried that you got vaccinated. It's the "acceptable" thing to do, and an easy out from the rapidly increasing social pressure and guilting/shaming/etc. So many people will likely give up, say screw it, and get the shot just to get away from the social pressure and discomfort of it all.

Very concerning to imagine that that is the point of all this. To wear people down. It isn't overt authoritarianism. It's covert. Scare people and turn people against each other, and use the subtle mechanics of social dynamics to wear people down and get them to comply of their own free will. Free -- but battered and bruised and tired.

My mind has been blown at how constantly this BS is on TV. It's almost like every 5 minutes they're urging people to get the vaccine. George Orwell is rolling over in his grave.
Hi Jib - interesting post. Especially all the anecdotes you shared. I am very sorry to hear about what you are going through.

But the last year has been an eye-opener for me too in terms of all my close relationships (friends and family). Everyone in my extended family and all my friends sound like mindless parrots (thats an insult to parrots, sadly!). They have all had the shot (one or both).
I don't suffer fools gladly, so no one has dared to give me 'unsolicited advice' because they know I would tell them to go boil their heads.

But this forum has been like a breath of fresh air because this is one of the few places where common sense and rationality has prevailed.
Hang in there! We are all in this together.
 

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Hi Jib - interesting post. Especially all the anecdotes you shared. I am very sorry to hear about what you are going through.

But the last year has been an eye-opener for me too in terms of all my close relationships (friends and family). Everyone in my extended family and all my friends sound like mindless parrots (thats an insult to parrots, sadly!). They have all had the shot (one or both).
I don't suffer fools gladly, so no one has dared to give me 'unsolicited advice' because they know I would tell them to go boil their heads.

But this forum has been like a breath of fresh air because this is one of the few places where common sense and rationality has prevailed.
Hang in there! We are all in this together.
Do they sound like this? NSFW

View: https://youtu.be/EAmrSNDrWSg
 

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I could watch that bird all day! How adorable is he?!!
Quite the personality, though. Not something you'd want in the same room if the preacher came by.
 

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That was funny thx!
I had a pal that had a mynah bird. Obnoxious. Soon as someone would come in the door (not from the family) in a tone of resignation he would say "ok... lets have a beer"
If you watch it on boob tube they actually type out the words he's saying.
 
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