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Coronavirus: How Come Germans Have 40 Times Less Chances To Die Than Italians ?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Health Discussions' started by burtlancast, Mar 14, 2020.

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  1. Kingpinguin

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    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. 2 Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.
     
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    socialism in Italy? Lol.

    really scraping the barrel here.

    rampant criminality, corruption and relative poverty to the rest of Europe more like. Nothing to do with socialism.

    we’ll see how the US perfect storm of no access to health care for many, and low workers rights protections pans out against Covid. Ie the Koch America of fake libertarianism aka corporate buying of power.

    Germany and Scandinavia have the best medical structures through government spending, it’s no coincidence that they are handling this best.
     
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    He is not talking about Italy.

    "Because the European Union is supposed to be all about lovey-doviness, nations giving of their surplus to help others in the name of the greater good. Everybody sharing, the whole greater than the sum of its parts." ie socialism
     
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    "Italy has already asked to activate the European Union Mechanism of Civil Protection for the supply of medical equipment for individual protection," Massari added. "But, unfortunately, not a single EU country responded to the Commission’s call. Only China responded bilaterally. Certainly, this is not a good sign of European solidarity."
     
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    I'm Dutch and youre right they dont do the test anymore. If you have the symptons you just have to stay home is the advice. The exact numbers are not know by know. I think they only test the elderly by now.
     
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    Italy sold much of their textile factories to Chinese companies and Italy allowed them to bring over 100k workers to work in those factories. The airport had direct flights to and from Wuhan
     
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    The 575,400 number is all flu deaths worldwide in 2009, not just those from H1N1. That's within the range of average seasonal flu numbers. The numbers for H1N1 specifically are 18,036 worldwide (I have seen numbers vary by about 100 or so, but it is always well under 19,000).

    I guess at some point, you could say it doesn't matter if it was H1N1 or some other virus, but then the exact same logic would have to apply to COVID-19. You can't just start counting deaths by other viruses in the COVID-19 numbers, and then say that COVID-19 is more dangerous than those other viruses at the same time.

    I don't know what the CDC would be basing their 61 Million infections number on (really? 20% of the population?), but they stopped counting cases in July of 2009, and many presumed to have Swine Flu didn't have any traces of that, or flu symptoms at all-

    Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?

    On the other hand, if 61 Million were infected, and only 12,496 died........ that's an incredibly small death rate.
     
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    There's enough hilarious stereotypes in this thread to fill three Simpsons episodes. Sadly, much like most stereotypes, it’s all bull****.
     
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    Enlighten us, please. Which are stereotypes?
     
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    The spread is so huge in Italy because they talk too fast and they shout a lot. So they are like automatic machine guns loaded with coronavirus bullets. Ratatatata...

    Prove me wrong.

    Plus of course the north of Italy lives off of tourism, and the Chinese are one the biggest groups of visitors. But I guess thats a detail, and not a politically correct one too.
     
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    Just a cursory google search shows that Italy has significantly more cities with 5G than Germany; Italy has embraced Huawei development of 5G while Germany has been more reluctant to do so. Not that 5G is a direct cause of coronavirus, but it would definitely add to the cellular stress load. Relevant thread.
     
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    It might be a different strain of Coronavirus in Italy and Iran.
     
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    According to Silvio Brusaferro, the President of the Higher Institute of Health in Italy, their might only be 2 people who died of COVID 19 that did not present other pathologies.

    "Positive deceased patients have an average of over 80 years - 80.3 to be exact - and are essentially predominantly male," said Brusaferro. "Women are 25.8 percent. The average age of the deceased is significantly higher than the other positive ones. The age groups over 70, with a peak between 80 and 89 years. The majority of these people are carriers of chronic diseases. Only two people were not presently carriers of diseases ", but even in these two cases, the examination of the files is not concluded and therefore, causes of death different from Covid-19 could emerge."

    Coronavirus: Iss, in Italia i decessi accertati finora per causa del Covid-19 sono solo due

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    It's possible.

    "As the virus spreads across the globe – it has killed more than 4,600 people and infected over 123,000 so far – researchers believe it will continue to evolve. In Italy, for example – the worst-hit country after China that is now also in lockdown – the virus has been found to share genes that were detected earlier in Germany but have not been seen in samples from China."

    Studies suggest link between quarantines and coronavirus mutations
     
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    Corona death doubled in the last week since we talked about this. Now 10 200. Here in Sweden the hospitals has just started to get full. No more respirators. Spoke to a heart surgeon yesterday and he said from next monday every employe will start working with corona and that many many people will die. Its a complete hospital meltdown here now. Same will happen now in other countries in europe and america will have same issues within 1-3 weeks. Within 7 days corona will have killed more than swine flu.
     
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    80 and predominantly male is because of hyper tension its a old mans problem. ACE2 issue. We have several cases in sweden though with young people being in respirators not able to breath. South of sweden has 3 young males. One 21 and one 18 year old lying in respirator about to die.
     
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    Could that be cases of latent tb as discussed in the other topic?
     
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