Corona Virus How To Treat

[tankasnowgod]

Question for everyone saying that there is no reason to be afraid: What would it take for you to admit, that this virus is obvious danger for you and your family? Define the point in sequence of events when you will act.

edit: if one cant answer that question, i would presume that the reason why that is, is because one is in denial and cant process current facts / possible outcomes.

What would it take? Well, for me, it would actually take some evidence that it is a threat, or evidence that it is an epidemic. So far...... there is absolutely none of that.

The official death toll from the Corona Virus is about 1400 right now. Assuming that is all in Wuhan, with a total population of 11.08 Million, that means that it is causing death at a rate of 0.12 per 1000. Looking at the epidemic numbers for Spain in the Spanish Flu, the numbers ranged from 0.6 deaths per thousand, up to 14.0 per thousand during the three periods of the epidemic. And despite the name, Spain was only a mildly hit country. This is an order of magnitude 5 times smaller than even the mildest period, with Wuhan being the supposed "Epicenter" in winter, which is well established as the worst moth for fighting viruses or any disease.

So a 0.12 per thousand death rate halfway around the world from where I am in the worst period for disease (winter is always the hardest time to fight off disease, and the fact that bureaucrats from the CDC refuse to acknowledge this well established fact is just another reason that unconstitutional agency should be disbanded), I see no reason to be any more concerned with this virus than any other virus in the common cold family.

 

[methylenewhite]

You can't compare final data of already finished event with dynamic data of live event.

 

[tankasnowgod]

You can't compare final data of already finished event with dynamic data of live event.

Sure you can. I compared the official numbers with all the periods of similar duration in one affected country of Spanish Flu. This "new" strain of Corona Virus was supposedly discovered in October of last year. If you don't like that analysis, go compare it to another five month period. For comparison, the Corona Virus non-epidemic has lasted about 1/3rd of the time of the Spanish Flu.

I don't care how you stack it up, the Corona Virus data doesn't compare to ANY five month range of data in a real epidemic like the Spanish Flu. It compares more like the 2009 Swine Flu non-epidemic (which is thought to be caused by the same virus that caused the Spanish Flu), which ended up with a total death rate of 18,138. Based on the data so far, I'm not even sure the Corona Virus death rate will top that number.

 

[methylenewhite]

You only can compare when events are over. Because events are different and from all the collectable data we are comparing only mortality rate we have to wait untill event is over because at any given time of live event we are having a lot of not resolved cases.

15 Feb. Data from one of the online trackers.
Total cases 67194 (100%)

Recovered 8600 (12.79 %)

Dead 1527 (2.27%)

Resolved cases 15.06%
Non resolved cases 84.94%

You can only say actual mortality when no more new cases are registered and all old cases are resolved.
Comparing any time period of Spanish flu against Chinese virus is not correct because to be correctly compared they should have similar clinical features like for example lag between firsts symptoms and resolution.
Don't you really get it?

 

[RealNeat]

Currently this makes the most sense to me.

CLEAR EVIDENCE it is NOT a Bioweapon. So What's All This About ACE2 and nCoV-2019 (COVID-2019)?

 

[methylenewhite]

Currently this makes the most sense to me.

CLEAR EVIDENCE it is NOT a Bioweapon. So What's All This About ACE2 and nCoV-2019 (COVID-2019)?

Weak point in his reasoning is:

Another possibility is high ambient exposure to bat coronaviruses. People in the region, however, have been eating wild-caught animals for thousands of years. Since China has such an exceptional written history going deep into their past, it would behoove humanity to study the ancient scrolls from China for evidence of plagues traced to eating bats, pangolins and other animals we now know understand can harbor coronaviruses. It is likey that B-coronaviruses have been infecting humans for tens if not hundreds of thousands of millenia.

People are still believed to die because of spirits or curses in many regions. And causation of many deaths are not clear even now when we use modern necropsy investigations.

 

[tankasnowgod]

You only can compare when events are over. Because events are different and from all the collectable data we are comparing only mortality rate we have to wait untill event is over because at any given time of live event we are having a lot of not resolved cases.

15 Feb. Data from one of the online trackers.
Total cases 67194 (100%)

Recovered 8600 (12.79 %)

Dead 1527 (2.27%)

Resolved cases 15.06%
Non resolved cases 84.94%

You can only say actual mortality when no more new cases are registered and all old cases are resolved.
Comparing any time period of Spanish flu against Chinese virus is not correct because to be correctly compared they should have similar clinical features like for example lag between firsts symptoms and resolution.
Don't you really get it?

You can still easily calculate death rate per thousand. It's based on total population, not total documented cases. You have no idea how many more non-confirmed cases there are. So it's not a 2.27% death rate. All the other end points you mentioned (recovered, resolved, non-resolved) are arbitrary, and have nothing at all to do with the comparison I am making. It's not something I made up, either- Epidemiology: An introduction

I fully get that the number for mortality rate for Corona Virus may go up. They may actually go down, too, as cases are disqualified by new definitions of the disease.

Again, this version of the Corona Virus has been identified since last October. So about 4-5 months, which is a decent chunk of time to compare against previous epidemics.

But yes, you absolutely can compare something like death rate per 1000 in an ongoing event to a completed event.

 

[Jib]

CopperZap. I've had one for a few years.

It's pure copper. You shove it all the way in to the back of your nose and it contacts the floor of it. Kills viruses on contact. Probably isn't gonna be a 100% success rate but used at the first signs of sickness could be a major help.

Lots of people have success with it. Unfortunately shoving it all the way into my nose freaks me out and I haven't successfully gotten myself to do it yet. So there goes my testimonial :p Apparently I'm the only person with this issue though so anyone else willing to try it should definitely invest in one. Can be taken anywhere and will last a lifetime. Very handy if you're around people who you think might be infected, or to use at the very first signs of contracting the illness.

 

[RealNeat]

Weak point in his reasoning is:

Another possibility is high ambient exposure to bat coronaviruses. People in the region, however, have been eating wild-caught animals for thousands of years. Since China has such an exceptional written history going deep into their past, it would behoove humanity to study the ancient scrolls from China for evidence of plagues traced to eating bats, pangolins and other animals we now know understand can harbor coronaviruses. It is likey that B-coronaviruses have been infecting humans for tens if not hundreds of thousands of millenia.

People are still believed to die because of spirits or curses in many regions. And causation of many deaths are not clear even now when we use modern necropsy investigations.

His argument has nothing to do with your point.

 

[LucyL]

Whatever is going on, of course it's cause for opportunist, malevolent dicks to try and force vaccines on people.

Whatever happens, don't take the vaccine

 

[methylenewhite]

His argument has nothing to do with your point.

You are right, I haven't paid much attention. I'll delete the post.

 

[RealNeat]

CopperZap. I've had one for a few years.

It's pure copper. You shove it all the way in to the back of your nose and it contacts the floor of it. Kills viruses on contact. Probably isn't gonna be a 100% success rate but used at the first signs of sickness could be a major help.

Lots of people have success with it. Unfortunately shoving it all the way into my nose freaks me out and I haven't successfully gotten myself to do it yet. So there goes my testimonial :p Apparently I'm the only person with this issue though so anyone else willing to try it should definitely invest in one. Can be taken anywhere and will last a lifetime. Very handy if you're around people who you think might be infected, or to use at the very first signs of contracting the illness.

I use a bar of copper instead of soap/ hand sanitizer when I travel or on public transport. Copper zap is pricey for what it is, but I like it.

 

[achillea]

Suppose that a given patient died from an infection (think of the 2018 flu).The present medical model would place the blame on the pathogenic virulence of the virus without considering whether malnutrition played a part by failing to produce sufficient energy for the complex immune response. Therefore, the second factor to be considered is the perfection of the fuel supply and that obviously comes from the quality of nutrition. Stress (the viral attack or non-lethal trauma) becomes the third consideration, since we have shown that an adequate energy supply is required for adapting on a day-to-day basis. There is even a new science called epigenetics in which it has been shown that nutrient components can be used to upgrade genetic mistakes in DNA. A fanciful interpretation of these three factors, genetics, nutrition and stress can be portrayed by the use of Boolean algebra. This is a mathematical representation as interlocking circles. The area of each circle can be easily assessed, marking their relative importance. The interlocking area between any two of the three circles and that of the three circles together completes the picture. It becomes easy to perceive how a prolonged period of stress can impact health. The present flu epidemic may be an example of the Three Circles of Health in operation, explaining why some people have only a mild illness while others die Dr Dereck Lonsdale

 

[tankasnowgod]

The present flu epidemic may be an example of the Three Circles of Health in operation, explaining why some people have only a mild illness while others die Dr Dereck Lonsdale

How is this an epidemic? A country of 1.4 billion people experiencing about 2,200 deaths from a disease? 0.00157 deaths per thousand is minuscule. For comparison, in the US, a country 1/4 the size in population, about 1,600 people die from cancer every day. That's .00488 deaths per thousand. The daily cancer death rate per thousand about triples the Corona Virus death rate for the 4-5 months of the outbreak.

 

[InChristAlone]

"What the Chinese government has done is to believe their own nonsense and to go into panic mode virtually shutting down the Chinese economy."
China’s “Karma” and Karma’s Solution…

If you fear viruses, you better live in a bubble because inevitably you will succumb to your own fears. You will be exposed to sickness you will fear getting sick, then you will get sick because you poisoned your own system with fear and then you will say see viruses are evil!

 

[RealNeat]

How is this an epidemic? A country of 1.4 billion people experiencing about 2,200 deaths from a disease? 0.00157 deaths per thousand is minuscule. For comparison, in the US, a country 1/4 the size in population, about 1,600 people die from cancer every day. That's .00488 deaths per thousand. The daily cancer death rate per thousand about triples the Corona Virus death rate for the 4-5 months of the outbreak.

I think this has a large role in why some people are dying and others arent, especially the lack of children deaths.

CLEAR EVIDENCE it is NOT a Bioweapon. So What's All This About ACE2 and nCoV-2019 (COVID-2019)?

 

[tankasnowgod]

If you fear viruses, you better live in a bubble because inevitably you will succumb to your own fears. You will be exposed to sickness you will fear getting sick, then you will get sick because you poisoned your own system with fear and then you will say see viruses are evil!

Well, living in a sterile bubble will prevent you from getting sick, even something as simple as the common cold. This was proven with the David Vetter case. Despite no working immune system, he was completely healthy (at least in the physical sense of the word) for 14 years.

 

[InChristAlone]

Well, living in a sterile bubble will prevent you from getting sick, even something as simple as the common cold. This was proven with the David Vetter case. Despite no working immune system, he was completely healthy (at least in the physical sense of the word) for 14 years.

Yes I remember him. An incredible story. But as soon as he was exposed he died. Fortunately for us with working immune systems, it's not a death sentence to be exposed to the common cold.

 

[Sulcuscentralis]

Whiskey, honey and garlic.

 

[Lizb]

I caught a virus at a very stressful period in my life. This gave me a very serious lung condition. I have never smoked, never even tried it, in fact until that point, early fifties, I'd never, my entire life, even had a cough.
Viruses are indeed pretty bad. I'm very vulnerable now. I keep a low profile and don't socialise much. Apart from anything else it's a very tiring activity.
Saying viruses are ok if your immune system is ok to a certain extent , but many of us, due to life's rich pattern, just don't function like the rest of you who are sounding so confident.