Conversation with Ray from yesterday

[DButter]

Hey everyone,

A conversation i shared with Ray yesterday was uploaded on YouTube and then (~six or so hours later) taken down / censored. Perhaps too much COVID "vaccine" stuff, i don't know.

Anyway, i just uploaded it on BitChute and wanted to let everyone know it's there in case you want to listen.

On BitChute:
View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/MSXLVyflPLcb/


Also on Spotify:
View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3Xj9Ll9UPjprpAWUw9PRYp


(Other conversations with Ray are still listed on the Butter Living channel on YouTube; i may gradually upload all of those to BitChute, too)

Cheers,
David

 

[Drareg]

Thanks.
The censorship is pathological, so many of big tech and the ruling class use the pills he advises against, nootropics, SSRI’s etc, I don’t like to wish I’ll health on anyone but they deserve it, hubris.

 

[boris]

Thank you

 

[lampofred]

thank you!

 

[Inaut]

Ditto. Thanks !!!

 

[Vileplume]

I wish he said his favorite movie was Shrek

 

[Old Irenaeus]

Thanks so much! And may the people or robots who banned the upload suffer great loss, or whatever God deems best for them.

 

[yerrag]

@DButter, what were you going to ask Ray at the start relating to the movies that didn't get the segue it should have?

 

[Sefton10]

Enjoyed this. Love his quote at the end, "Life is about finding out what it's about".

 

[dukesbobby777]

Thanks.
The censorship is pathological, so many of big tech and the ruling class use the pills he advises against, nootropics, SSRI’s etc, I don’t like to wish I’ll health on anyone but they deserve it, hubris.

What nootropics do the ruling class recommend?

 

[LeeLemonoil]

What nootropics do the ruling class recommend?

Adenochrome-sulfate

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I used to be one of the aspiring elites as a kid, so I'm going to try to articulate their psychology. It's not going to be very clear.

I grew up in an abusive household. I could not deal with people, and I was emotionally unstable. To the point where I have been diagnosed with psychosis and depression.

But as a kid I had learned to pretend to be normal. I was full of shame and self hatred, and since my authentic self felt unacceptable and I was under constant attack from my father and my peers, I learned to keep up appearances.

Smile, don't show weakness etc. Media did not help, from childhood on it was all violence and domination.

So of course I became needy. But the hungry are not fed, so I tried to pretend. Had my father been saner and less sadistic, I could have developed the capabilities to extract the energy I needed from others via manipulation. I failed, despite trying with all I had.

The experience is that there is an unfulfilled need inside: pain, shame and loneliness are a result. I had learned from my father to push down the negative emotions. This does not resolve them.

To keep them down required me to shatter my personality in parts. I failed, but my father succeeded so I know what it looks like. He has at least two personalities, a people pleaser that appears to have no access to anger, and probably not shame. A super nice guy, the personality split allows this one to feel pride no matter what I do and it feels no anger even if I hurt and humiliate him for years.

The other one is sadistic and controlling. It seems to understand more of what is going on. Once, after treating my father with contempt for a few years, and him responding with groveling, I tried treating him normally. He was still sucking up to me, but I felt this pressure underneath. The moment I said something that made me vulnerable, he verbally attacked with such intensity that I dissociated and was left physically shaking from it. I only remember the first two sentences he said. The pressure was immediately gone after that and the people pleaser returned.

The controlling personality seems to gather negativity it needs to push into others. When it's more functional, like the elites, it seems to extract the energy it needs from domination and manipulation in functional way.

I remember the rush of power, of the relief from the shame and self hate when I won, when I got one over someone. When I got to hurt someone. But I never could really commit to this, I always cared about people. But those who do, can direct their energy into full manipulation and domination like a drug addict.

I also remember that there were certain thinking patterns. I would adopt a thought, and then just defend that idea, identifying with it. For example the major psychopathic author of propaganda I read was Ayn Rand. So I adopted the view "Capitalism good, socialism bad." And defended that. If something good, like Gandhi, was socialist, I would mentally gymnastic him into a pro capitalism person using the flimsiest arguments.

I was very good in school, despite having major disadvantages. I was motivated to chase organisational and economic status, figuring that then people would fullfil my emotional, social and sexual needs. So I repeated what the authority said, defended authority believing loyalty would be rewarded, and sought to ally myself with autuo

 

[golder]

When this came up in my YouTube notifications and failed to load, it was like the same sinking feeling when I went to my friends house and he replied, ‘Yeah sure! But it’s Diet Coke...is that OK?’
Great work man, thanks.

 

[achillea]

There are no Elite there are those who are the Enemies of Life. To give the enemies of life a designation a sense of setting them apart from other humans gives them a title that they themselves relish in as it feeds their psychopathy.
We lived in what became a resort town that attracted the ultra rich from all over the world, They have NO relativity to cost including the value of your time. They have no sense of our lives but rely on us totally, they can do nothing practical or logical because they never have had to. They do business and make more money but they do not cook for themselves or mow the lawn or grow a plant or even sit and enjoy the robin hopping in the yard. They spend a lot of time trying to figure out what to do next, which house to go to or where to travel to,
They have little to no compassion and think that if they need something you should be ever ready to do it. Then and this is very common that if you do a job for them they want to screw you out of some money. they want to win over you and let you know you are less than them and you did something wrong. The workers let it slide but never work for them again,
Does this sound like an elite elegant person or a miserable member of the Enemies of Life,
They think they are Somebody for no reason and we should not give them the satisfaction of calling them Elite

 

[Lollipop2]

Great interview. Worth a listen.

 

[Inaut]

@DButter i really like how your questions relate to the specific topic you are trying to cover.

 

[cats]

I used to be one of the aspiring elites as a kid, so I'm going to try to articulate their psychology. It's not going to be very clear.

I grew up in an abusive household. I could not deal with people, and I was emotionally unstable. To the point where I have been diagnosed with psychosis and depression.

But as a kid I had learned to pretend to be normal. I was full of shame and self hatred, and since my authentic self felt unacceptable and I was under constant attack from my father and my peers, I learned to keep up appearances.

Smile, don't show weakness etc. Media did not help, from childhood on it was all violence and domination.

So of course I became needy. But the hungry are not fed, so I tried to pretend. Had my father been saner and less sadistic, I could have developed the capabilities to extract the energy I needed from others via manipulation. I failed, despite trying with all I had.

The experience is that there is an unfulfilled need inside: pain, shame and loneliness are a result. I had learned from my father to push down the negative emotions. This does not resolve them.

To keep them down required me to shatter my personality in parts. I failed, but my father succeeded so I know what it looks like. He has at least two personalities, a people pleaser that appears to have no access to anger, and probably not shame. A super nice guy, the personality split allows this one to feel pride no matter what I do and it feels no anger even if I hurt and humiliate him for years.

The other one is sadistic and controlling. It seems to understand more of what is going on. Once, after treating my father with contempt for a few years, and him responding with groveling, I tried treating him normally. He was still sucking up to me, but I felt this pressure underneath. The moment I said something that made me vulnerable, he verbally attacked with such intensity that I dissociated and was left physically shaking from it. I only remember the first two sentences he said. The pressure was immediately gone after that and the people pleaser returned.

The controlling personality seems to gather negativity it needs to push into others. When it's more functional, like the elites, it seems to extract the energy it needs from domination and manipulation in functional way.

I remember the rush of power, of the relief from the shame and self hate when I won, when I got one over someone. When I got to hurt someone. But I never could really commit to this, I always cared about people. But those who do, can direct their energy into full manipulation and domination like a drug addict.

I also remember that there were certain thinking patterns. I would adopt a thought, and then just defend that idea, identifying with it. For example the major psychopathic author of propaganda I read was Ayn Rand. So I adopted the view "Capitalism good, socialism bad." And defended that. If something good, like Gandhi, was socialist, I would mentally gymnastic him into a pro capitalism person using the flimsiest arguments.

I was very good in school, despite having major disadvantages. I was motivated to chase organisational and economic status, figuring that then people would fullfil my emotional, social and sexual needs. So I repeated what the authority said, defended authority believing loyalty would be rewarded, and sought to ally myself with autuo

This is basically the personality impression that I've gotten from meeting and reading about very ambitious corporate execs. I've always wondered how someone could communicate to them that they were hurting themselves with their obsession with power. What experiences helped you find your way out of this type of thinking?

 

[ecstatichamster]

I like your interviews of Dr Peat @DButter because you let him talk. Thank you.

 

[Lollipop2]

I like your interviews of Dr Peat @DButter because you let him talk. Thank you.

I agree. Ray has space to express his thoughts fully. He honestly has so much information, someone could ask him one question and his answer would last the entire interview.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

This is basically the personality impression that I've gotten from meeting and reading about very ambitious corporate execs. I've always wondered how someone could communicate to them that they were hurting themselves with their obsession with power. What experiences helped you find your way out of this type of thinking?

I actually thought I did not post this, my phone glitched and I could not finish. What got me out? I failed enough to start asking questions and I always did care about the truth and other people. What I consider the main problem is the feeling that I was the body and the dominant ideology that went with it. I was a materialist so I figured the morality was not really fundamental, just some evolved thing that makes you feel good or bad to control you. I also considered myself a body with a brain, so the experience of the body was primary, not moral behaviour. As a materialist I also saw myself as separate from others.

Now there are plenty of materialists and atheists who are good people. Most of those people appear to believe in materialism in an unexamined way, so they still act as if they are part of something because their lived experience confirms that. Peat is a materialist (I think, his views seem quite nuanced), but he is also values empirical evidence before any stupid ideas he has in his head so is an incredible, moral person.

I was socially isolated and abused, so I felt separate, and I was intelligent enough to examine the implications of my views.

As a materialist, I could never find an an argument for morality. Materialists would gish-gallop all day long to explain, say, that there is a moral difference between the raping and murdering a child for pleasure, and eating an apple for pleasure. I still don't see it. The arguments were something like, "it feels good to be good (but what if you enjoy evil?, then is must be good)", "we evolved to be moral (we evolved to rape and murder too)", "we'll most people think this is good (most people liked genocide at times)" and the real argument they made: I will **** you up if you do that. There was really no argument there beyond pleasure and pain.

"Might makes Right." That is the only argument I could find behind materialist morality. I think Peat may have stated something about Nazi morality of Might Makes Right continuing after the war. They were never proven wrong, they just lost the war. This is also the view universities tend to teach. Post-modernism is a technique of literary analysis, and has become one of the dominant strains of thought on the Left. It's basic message is that it's all about power.

I'll link Chomsky here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HYe2N9dXeQ


In Influence, Cialdini noted that on average the most powerful way to influence people is to tell them "other people are like this". Tell them all their neighbours, and they'll probably do it, tell them humans are only concerned about power, and they will be far more concerned about power. And if you want to know about another person, ask them about other people. If you ask a person how much he would give to needy person, he will lie and exaggerate, this has been studied. Ask him how much the average person will give, and he will give the number he gives. If you, like many traumatized people, see other people as fundamentally predatory, only held back by the fear of retaliation, then that is your model of behaviour.

I think Jordan Peterson's lectures helped, I found him years before he was famous. He was the first person I really heard talk about Good and Evil, Right and Wrong. That there was more than the material world. His arguments for moral behaviour were fundamentally different from what I had ever heard before. Instead of "do and say what I tell you, or I will hurt you until you do" he argued that you should be moral for your own sake. It was not to control me, but to free me. To give me dignity, to have something beyond escape from pain and pursuit of pleasure. Because if you are a mere body, that is all there actually is.

From him I moved to more esoteric things. I examined materialism, and found it was empirically untenable. Plenty of science showed that things like telepathy are real. There is good and evil, they are real. Later I found out matter, OTOH is not. Funny that.

From that I could see the unity in people, though mostly intellectually. I went to Radical Honesty, and it changed my life. For the first time I could be myself, and not only was I not attacked for it, I was loved for it. Radical Honesty allowed me to see that people are good and safe, for the most part. And the evil ones, like my father, are weak, not strong like I thought.

If you read that meandering blog post, thank you. I hope it helps, best I can do now.