Coming off trt .. left testicle is aching

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Came off trt … been on enclomiphene for a couple weeks and feel not too bad. I’ve taken a lot of aspirin and low dose anastrazole .125 totaling 1.5g over a week and half.

Is achy balls a sign of low estrogen or high estrogen usually ? I’m not sure if coming off trt my estrogen was low already and the ai was too much . But I wanted to keep estrogen low to make sure the HPTA restart goes well.

Or if the AIs weren’t even that strong and enclo converts to both test and estrogen and estrogen is too high compared to test. lol all I know is my ball is aching. Waiting for blood work

Before starting pct both test and e2 were low below range
 
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Unless you were taking hCG while on TRT, your ball are going to be atrophied. Testicular pain is due to the balls trying to restart steroidogenesis. It's similar to the muscle fatigue/pain you might feel when you workout after years of having been inactive.
 
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Unless you were taking hCG while on TRT, your ball are going to be atrophied. Testicular pain is due to the balls trying to restart steroidogenesis. It's similar to the muscle fatigue/pain you might feel when you workout after years of having been inactive.
Ahhh so I take it as a good thing then. The boys are tryna get back and running .Honestly
My balls are a good size. I never did hcg but I never went above 120mg. And do the right thing diet wise. Thank you . Hoping the pain will subside soon
 

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Came off trt … been on enclomiphene for a couple weeks and feel not too bad. I’ve taken a lot of aspirin and low dose anastrazole .125 totaling 1.5g over a week and half.

Is achy balls a sign of low estrogen or high estrogen usually ? I’m not sure if coming off trt my estrogen was low already and the ai was too much . But I wanted to keep estrogen low to make sure the HPTA restart goes well.

Or if the AIs weren’t even that strong and enclo converts to both test and estrogen and estrogen is too high compared to test. lol all I know is my ball is aching. Waiting for blood work

Before starting pct both test and e2 were low below range
hi,from my experiences in most of cases testicular pains i felt were associated with other symptoms that are associated to to high E2 and to low DHT
 

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Came off trt … been on enclomiphene for a couple weeks and feel not too bad. I’ve taken a lot of aspirin and low dose anastrazole .125 totaling 1.5g over a week and half.

Is achy balls a sign of low estrogen or high estrogen usually ? I’m not sure if coming off trt my estrogen was low already and the ai was too much . But I wanted to keep estrogen low to make sure the HPTA restart goes well.

Or if the AIs weren’t even that strong and enclo converts to both test and estrogen and estrogen is too high compared to test. lol all I know is my ball is aching. Waiting for blood work

Before starting pct both test and e2 were low below range
It's just testicles slowly going back to their original size.
Happened to me before when I came off testosterone after being on for a while.
Nothing to worry about.
 
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It's just testicles slowly going back to their original size.
Happened to me before when I came off testosterone after being on for a while.
Nothing to worry about.
This is what I’ve gathered too from speaking to some friends .. thank you
 

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This is from an advice email from Ray regarding a similar problem
Testosterone and DHT aren’t toxic, so the testes probably haven’t been damaged, and would resume functioning with good nutritional support. 100 mg of pregnenolone and 5 mg of DHEA would probably help their recovery, but I think it would be good to have your LH and estrogen checked. If the LH is very high, using a little DHT for a while might be protective until it’s more normal. Coffee, aspirin, vitamin D, milk and cheese would also protect against high LH.
 
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This is from an advice email from Ray regarding a similar problem
Thanks for that !. I want my LH to be high tho . Not absurdly high with low test as that would signal primary hypogonadism. But both my test and LH were low so I want to raise them hence the serm. I don’t love the idea of a serm, but it will not be long term and it does effectively raise test and LH
 
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It's just testicles slowly going back to their original size.
Happened to me before when I came off testosterone after being on for a while.
Nothing to worry about.
IN you experience what is the difference in how a serm will raise test compared to estrogen? It should be in favor of test or at least equal ? Since the estrogen is following test in this case ? A serm shouldn’t raise estrogen alone thru another mechanism ? I’m just curious if there is any need for an AI really during a pct of just enclomiphene
 
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This is from an advice email from Ray regarding a similar problem
Although I would add some dht just to boost dht alone. I have some of haiduts androsterone. I wonder how that would be. I would think some small doses would be fine and wouldn’t cause any shutdown as I’m trying to reverse shutdown lol
 

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IN you experience what is the difference in how a serm will raise test compared to estrogen? It should be in favor of test or at least equal ? Since the estrogen is following test in this case ? A serm shouldn’t raise estrogen alone thru another mechanism ? I’m just curious if there is any need for an AI really during a pct of just enclomiphene
Never tried enclomiphene.
Clomid made me feel awful, and that was at a very low dose of 12.5mg e3d.
Made my test rise to 1200, but I would never do it again.
 
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Never tried enclomiphene.
Clomid made me feel awful, and that was at a very low dose of 12.5mg e3d.
Made my test rise to 1200, but I would never do it again.
lol damn . I’m at 25mg enclo daily , idk how it compares to clomid dosing. I feel good on this actually. Was your e2/estrone at a good place relative to that 1200
 

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I just found that quote on the wiki btw, I don't even know what high LH means. Is it inflammatory and harmful in itself? Like Ray speaks of TSH?
 
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I just found that quote on the wiki btw, I don't even know what high LH means. Is it inflammatory and harmful in itself? Like Ray speaks of TSH?
Hahaha. LH stands for luteinizing hormone. It’s produced in the pituitary . The hypothalamus signals gonadotropin releasing hormone which regulates LH. And then LH stimulates testosterone production. So you want a high normal LH and high normal Test id say . If you had high LH and low testosterone there would be some sort HPTA axis issue bc your pituitary isn’t telling your balls to make Test/sperm even though LH is high .
 

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Hahaha. LH stands for luteinizing hormone. It’s produced in the pituitary . The hypothalamus signals gonadotropin releasing hormone which regulates LH. And then LH stimulates testosterone production. So you want a high normal LH and high normal Test id say . If you had high LH and low testosterone there would be some sort HPTA axis issue bc your pituitary isn’t telling your balls to make Test/sperm even though LH is high .
Thanks I was unclear on this
 

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lol damn . I’m at 25mg enclo daily , idk how it compares to clomid dosing. I feel good on this actually. Was your e2/estrone at a good place relative to that 1200
It makes no sense at all to test blood levels of estrogens, they are paracrine hormones for the most part.
Even a sensitive LC/MS won't give you an indication of anything.
The best proxy for e2 is prolactin.
 
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It makes no sense at all to test blood levels of estrogens, they are paracrine hormones for the most part.
Even a sensitive LC/MS won't give you an indication of anything.
The best proxy for e2 is prolactin.
Got it thank you. 3 weeks after last injection by prolactin was at 9.. after 1 week hcg it went up to 13. So I guess I was under stress and converted a lot of hcg to estrogen. My test levels actually went down from hcg. So I guess hcg is suppressive alone. It just gets your balls working again and then a serm should always follow to raise levels if you are going the cliche pct route. I feel so much better on serm then I did hcg.

Is an ideal prolactin level as close to 4 at the bottom of the range you can get. I might use some more low dose AI bc my total test was at 200 and free test 4.0 both very low while prolactin was high before I started serm. I can tell serm is raising test but if my estrogen /prolactin burden was that much more prominent to begin with maybe I should level that out.
 

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I think I'm experiencing this after months of eating a daily lunch containing white button mushrooms. Powerful stuff.
 

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never been on trt or any anti androgens. I am taking the following supplements and noticing testicle aching. Is there something in here that is bad for my hormones?

5mg cialis
10mg Lisinipril
81mg baby aspirin
Turmeric
Vitamin c as ascorbic acid 150mg
Thiamine 100mg
Riboflavin 20mg
Niacin 25mg
Vitamin b6 2mg
Folate 665 mcg DFE ( 400 mcg folic acid)
Vitamin b12 15mcg
Biotin 30 mcg
Pantothenic acid 5.5mg
Calcium 35mg
Serrapeptase 120,000 SU delayed release cap
Ashwagandha
Vitamin E 180mg
Methylsulfonylmethane 2g
L-citrulline 1500 mg
Medium chain triglyceride MCT oil 1000mg
Pumpkin oil 1000mg
Velvet bean 400mg
Ginkgo biloba 120mg
Theobromine 92mg
Asian ginseng 80mg
Cayenne powder 30,000 HU 60mg
Bioperine complex black peper and ginger 6mg
Vitamin d3 125mcg
Aspirin 81mg
Magnesium glycinate malate citrate and taurate total 80.5mg
Tongkat Ali 1000mg
Tribulus Terrestris 20mg
Vitamin k2 as mk4 500mcg
Vitamin k2 as mk7 100mcg
 

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