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loess said:I should probably note here that it's likely that the additional high temperature processing that the Great Lakes Collagen Hydrolysate (green container) goes through that allows it to dissolve in cold liquids weakens its healing benefits when compared to the plain gelatin (red container).
Jenn said:I have been told it's less effective as well. It's not just about amino acids, it's about structure.
http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml
Although some research shows that babies up to the age of 18 months can assimilate free amino acids, a baby formula containing hydrolyzed protein was associated with decreased serum albumin, which suggests that it interfered with protein synthesis.
Mittir said:He discussed whey protein powder in Josh Rubin interview on Milk and calcium.
He recommends against whey protein for its high tryptophan content.
He thinks people should avoid ( except for emergency situation)
all kind of dehydrated foods as process
of dehydration increases toxicity of protein. He mentioned that milk is
high in fragile amino acids tryptophan and cystine. Based on all these info
dried whey powder would be extremely unhealthy.
He himself uses regular gelatin powder and bone broth .
Since gelatin is free of tryptophan and cystine, the toxicity in dried gelatin
should be much lower than dried milk. There is known toxicity to
tryptophan in free amino acid form. But he thinks free glycine is safe unless
it is not contaminated in industrial processing. I think he recommends
hydrylozed gelatin only to people who has problem digesting regular
gelatine. He discussed all these in following article.
http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml
Although some research shows that babies up to the age of 18 months can assimilate free amino acids, a baby formula containing hydrolyzed protein was associated with decreased serum albumin, which suggests that it interfered with protein synthesis.
Mittir said:He discussed whey protein powder in Josh Rubin interview on Milk and calcium.
He recommends against whey protein for its high tryptophan content.
He thinks people should avoid ( except for emergency situation)
all kind of dehydrated foods as process
of dehydration increases toxicity of protein. He mentioned that milk is
high in fragile amino acids tryptophan and cystine. Based on all these info
dried whey powder would be extremely unhealthy.
He himself uses regular gelatin powder and bone broth .
Since gelatin is free of tryptophan and cystine, the toxicity in dried gelatin
should be much lower than dried milk. There is known toxicity to
tryptophan in free amino acid form. But he thinks free glycine is safe unless
it is not contaminated in industrial processing. I think he recommends
hydrylozed gelatin only to people who has problem digesting regular
gelatine. He discussed all these in following article.
http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml
Although some research shows that babies up to the age of 18 months can assimilate free amino acids, a baby formula containing hydrolyzed protein was associated with decreased serum albumin, which suggests that it interfered with protein synthesis.
Travis B said:Hey ClassicalLady,
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I think a low temperature processed protein powder is a better option for maybe a serving a day. One important thing is that Gelatin apparently is low in several of the amino acids that Peat says are anti-metabolic, whereas a Whey (and most other protein sources, whole or powdered) would be higher in them. I've read that Peat has said powdered foods aren't the best, so I wouldn't depend on them as a protein source, but Peat DOES recommend powdered gelatin (not hydrolyzed) so there's that. One or two servings a day of maybe 20 grams shouldn't be terrible. I try to get a 3:1 (or so) carb-protein ratio, so maybe keep that in mind.
I sometimes used low-temp, undenatured whey after workouts. It's fast digesting, which is good after a workout. I think it's also good for elderly and folks with poor digestion.. but the bulk of protein should come from real food for sustained energy and with the goal of restored, normal digestion. Cheese (and its slow-digesting casein protein and Ca and Na) is an excellent meat substitute/augmentation that digests well.
Make sure your protein powder doesn't use Soy Lecithin if you are avoiding soy.
As for Mittir's post... it seems the non-hydrolyzed gelatin might be safer. I was having bad reactions to hydrolyzed, too. I don't know if the Great Lakes non-hydrolyzed would be better. I've never had an issue with store-bought individual packets of gelatin. The hydrolyzed is just more enzymatically broken down, ie, smaller protein (peptide) chains... so it digests quicker... but may have been compromised a bit in the process.