Coffee enema vs normal enema for constipation

Guacamayo

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For cases of chronic constipation, is a coffee enema or a water+salt enema a better choice?

I've seen recommendations for both, and Ray Peat recommends both, but for different issues.

I know that coffee enemas stimulate the liver and also peristalsis, but I'm not sure if that translates to an effect on the bowels.

@jzeno I remember you tried coffee enemas, would be interested in your input.
 

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why enema? too much hustle, just go for either warm water+ 1-2 teaspoon of sea salt and you good in 20 mins to go, preferably on empty, i currently use cascara
 

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For cases of chronic constipation, is a coffee enema or a water+salt enema a better choice?

I've seen recommendations for both, and Ray Peat recommends both, but for different issues.

I know that coffee enemas stimulate the liver and also peristalsis, but I'm not sure if that translates to an effect on the bowels.

@jzeno I remember you tried coffee enemas, would be interested in your input.

Indeed, it's effective at stimulating the liver but does not provide any additional constipation relief compared to plain water enema.
 

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Im a trained colon hydrotherapist and also found out 6mnths ago I had a huge infestation of Tape worm. My liver got so bad which effects thyroid and estrogen levels and this gave me severe insomnia every 2nd night no sleep at all.
I had virtually no bowel activity because it just stopped perastalsis.
To help my liver the coffee enemas are vital, this then helps the thyroid and over time my bowel motions have returned properly again.
Cascara will help you but in the mean time sorting thyroid and liver health is a big oart of it too and getting estrogen levels lowered (carrot salad etc). Coffee enemas play important part for liver health by stimulating bile production & the coffee triggers perastalsis.
 

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Im a trained colon hydrotherapist and also found out 6mnths ago I had a huge infestation of Tape worm. My liver got so bad which effects thyroid and estrogen levels and this gave me severe insomnia every 2nd night no sleep at all.
I had virtually no bowel activity because it just stopped perastalsis.
To help my liver the coffee enemas are vital, this then helps the thyroid and over time my bowel motions have returned properly again.
Cascara will help you but in the mean time sorting thyroid and liver health is a big oart of it too and getting estrogen levels lowered (carrot salad etc). Coffee enemas play important part for liver health by stimulating bile production & the coffee triggers perastalsis.

Have you tried the liver flush with olive oil + citrus fruit to help unclog your liver?
 

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Have you tried the liver flush with olive oil + citrus fruit to help unclog your liver?
Yes but its dangerous if colon is clooged up which many ppls are and mine was blocked very badly with huge tape worm and the mucous the body produces to heal the damage they create with their scolex.
Yes the liver flushes are amazing and have done many till my problem got to bsd and the stones got caught snd festered creating more of a problem.
Im using a special method via a parasite specialist in the UK thats helping me decongest the small and large intestine and killing off tape worm in stages so it wont crash my liver via overload, then once all that is done I can safely flush.
 

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Yes but its dangerous if colon is clooged up which many ppls are and mine was blocked very badly with huge tape worm and the mucous the body produces to heal the damage they create with their scolex.
Yes the liver flushes are amazing and have done many till my problem got to bsd and the stones got caught snd festered creating more of a problem.
Im using a special method via a parasite specialist in the UK thats helping me decongest the small and large intestine and killing off tape worm in stages so it wont crash my liver via overload, then once all that is done I can safely flush.

Performing iodine enema helps a lot with killing all desirable organisms.
A quart of water + 2 dropper of Lugol's iodine and a bit of movement to make it reach the cecum.
 

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Performing iodine enema helps a lot with killing all desirable organisms.
A quart of water + 2 dropper of Lugol's iodine and a bit of movement to make it reach the cecum.
None of that works for the size of Tape worms I have, I have tried it all, over many years. Ive even taken fenbendazole and heaps of other things. Nothing touched them till I found the process I am now doing. The mucous needs to go first, they hide behind it, so working carefully the way I am Im slowly dropping the numbers, many are over 40 years old and huge.
 

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None of that works for the size of Tape worms I have, I have tried it all, over many years. Ive even taken fenbendazole and heaps of other things. Nothing touched them till I found the process I am now doing. The mucous needs to go first, they hide behind it, so working carefully the way I am Im slowly dropping the numbers, many are over 40 years old and huge.

How do you know you have them? And how do you know you have many of them? Why wouldn’t something like fenbendazole kill them?
 

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Im using a special method via a parasite specialist in the UK thats helping me decongest the small and large intestine and killing off tape worm in stages so it wont crash my liver via overload, then once all that is done I can safely flush.
None of that works for the size of Tape worms I have, I have tried it all, over many years. Ive even taken fenbendazole and heaps of other things. Nothing touched them till I found the process I am now doing. The mucous needs to go first, they hide behind it, so working carefully the way I am Im slowly dropping the numbers, many are over 40 years old and huge.


Can you elaborate on this?

What kind of specialist? A alternative practitioner? Or a medical doctor (parasitologist)?

What exactly are you doing to identify the worms? If they are this big shouldn't their "existence" been apparant way earlier? And if they are this big, how can they hide behind a mucus layer? I mean that must be a big mucus layer ...
How do you get rid of the mucus? Chlorine Dioxide? If so, oraly or as enema? Or is it a specific med?

The liver flush is for removing stones right? ... Are you doing the enemas solely for the perastalsis or for the "boost" to liver enzyme activation and detoxification?


When do you know that you got rid of them other than "feeling" better?


I am asking these because my deworming protocol yielded reults in terms of feeling better, but i couldn't get a visible conformation, and the work with the guy i did just said he stills sees it in the darkfield microscopy ... but even further months of interventions didnt get rid of it ... and i dont even know if that dark field microscopy and what he "saw" there in my blood is actually legitemately what he says it is ...
 

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Can you elaborate on this?

What kind of specialist? A alternative practitioner? Or a medical doctor (parasitologist)?

What exactly are you doing to identify the worms? If they are this big shouldn't their "existence" been apparant way earlier? And if they are this big, how can they hide behind a mucus layer? I mean that must be a big mucus layer ...
How do you get rid of the mucus? Chlorine Dioxide? If so, oraly or as enema? Or is it a specific med?

The liver flush is for removing stones right? ... Are you doing the enemas solely for the perastalsis or for the "boost" to liver enzyme activation and detoxification?


When do you know that you got rid of them other than "feeling" better?


I am asking these because my deworming protocol yielded reults in terms of feeling better, but i couldn't get a visible conformation, and the work with the guy i did just said he stills sees it in the darkfield microscopy ... but even further months of interventions didnt get rid of it ... and i dont even know if that dark field microscopy and what he "saw" there in my blood is actually legitemately what he says it is ...
Working with parasiteologist in UK yes had ideas this was my problem yrars ago but no matter what I took I only got out biofilm, rope worm and pin worm.

Tried mms snd everything you would think of, nothing touched them untill I did a really stong lot of tabs and that kocked out loads of small ones but congestion caused then to start poisoning my system and I nearly died as a result.

The guy I work with explained how it all wofks, the scolex (head of tape worm) digs in and damages tissue and body keeps producing mucois to repair hence building a nice layer to protect them.

I was dying and I am a practitioner so over the last few yeard tried everything and more than most would do, spent huge amounts of money, he was my last resort so had to trust.

Used his special herb powder formulation that saved his own life from same situation at only 35. Started to see huge amounts of bio film and mucous start coming out. Once some congestion was cleated then a did a mild lot of his parasite herbs to kill via a coffee enema and started to dump tspe worms. The congestion is still coming through and each kill I do is stronger and gets rid of bigger ones.

I have gone from near death and body shutting dwn from toxicity to fully functional.
 

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Can you elaborate on this?

What kind of specialist? A alternative practitioner? Or a medical doctor (parasitologist)?

What exactly are you doing to identify the worms? If they are this big shouldn't their "existence" been apparant way earlier? And if they are this big, how can they hide behind a mucus layer? I mean that must be a big mucus layer ...
How do you get rid of the mucus? Chlorine Dioxide? If so, oraly or as enema? Or is it a specific med?

The liver flush is for removing stones right? ... Are you doing the enemas solely for the perastalsis or for the "boost" to liver enzyme activation and detoxification?


When do you know that you got rid of them other than "feeling" better?


I am asking these because my deworming protocol yielded reults in terms of feeling better, but i couldn't get a visible conformation, and the work with the guy i did just said he stills sees it in the darkfield microscopy ... but even further months of interventions didnt get rid of it ... and i dont even know if that dark field microscopy and what he "saw" there in my blood is actually legitemately what he says it is ...
Sounds like you might have tape worm too, you just will not rid them any other way, not the big ones.
And like me, I felt way better after mms etc etc but it only ever knocks back the more harmless ones like pin worms, flukes, and rope. It dosnt even get rid of adult flukes, they also are very hard to get rid of and hide in pockets that form due to congestion. You would not believe what I hsve cleared out of my system and yet I have loads if experience, have always dond things to try keep at them, plus the liver flushes, always had good gluten free diet....apart from being led into keto and carni which made the problem 10x worse and overloaded an already poor liver with all fhat fat and protein and no carb.
Feel free to mssg me on FB if you want to carry on conversation or ppl will get annoyed with this! Im under jacqueline Marshall
 

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Working with parasiteologist in UK yes had ideas this was my problem yrars ago but no matter what I took I only got out biofilm, rope worm and pin worm.

Tried mms snd everything you would think of, nothing touched them untill I did a really stong lot of tabs and that kocked out loads of small ones but congestion caused then to start poisoning my system and I nearly died as a result.

The guy I work with explained how it all wofks, the scolex (head of tape worm) digs in and damages tissue and body keeps producing mucois to repair hence building a nice layer to protect them.

I was dying and I am a practitioner so over the last few yeard tried everything and more than most would do, spent huge amounts of money, he was my last resort so had to trust.

Used his special herb powder formulation that saved his own life from same situation at only 35. Started to see huge amounts of bio film and mucous start coming out. Once some congestion was cleated then a did a mild lot of his parasite herbs to kill via a coffee enema and started to dump tspe worms. The congestion is still coming through and each kill I do is stronger and gets rid of bigger ones.

I have gone from near death and body shutting dwn from toxicity to fully functional.
Please, could you explain what herbs are these?
 

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Please, could you explain what herbs are these?
They are a combo of simple herbs I would not expect such a huge result from, but its in the way the process works and possibly the ratio. 2 lots of herb powders - one works on clearing congestion and is done daily, the other blend is only to be done when he sees the body is ready for it, contains simple things Ive used before snd no doubt you have too....black walnut etc.
He took 10 years creating these 2 blends to save his own life & there is nithing in the worlf that will be the same. He had to pioneer it & he was bedridden, skeleton thin & went grey at 35 from depletion and toxicity.
 

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Could we get the discussion back on track to what I was asking initially?

So does the coffee enema produce as good bowel movements as a normal water+salt enema?

Also, @FitnessMike how much water should be used for 2 teaspoons of salt?

And do water enemas also need to be held in for around 10 minutes like a coffee enema?

@TheBeard you mentioned that it doesn't provide any additional constipation relief compared to a water enema - are you therefore saying that it's just as effective as a water enema for constipation relief, but comes with the added bonus of cleansing your liver (and having a bunch of other positive side effects)?
 

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Could we get the discussion back on track to what I was asking initially?

So does the coffee enema produce as good bowel movements as a normal water+salt enema?

Also, @FitnessMike how much water should be used for 2 teaspoons of salt?

And do water enemas also need to be held in for around 10 minutes like a coffee enema?

@TheBeard you mentioned that it doesn't provide any additional constipation relief compared to a water enema - are you therefore saying that it's just as effective as a water enema for constipation relief, but comes with the added bonus of cleansing your liver (and having a bunch of other positive side effects)?
Apologies for taking it off topic
 

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Could we get the discussion back on track to what I was asking initially?

So does the coffee enema produce as good bowel movements as a normal water+salt enema?

Also, @FitnessMike how much water should be used for 2 teaspoons of salt?

And do water enemas also need to be held in for around 10 minutes like a coffee enema?

@TheBeard you mentioned that it doesn't provide any additional constipation relief compared to a water enema - are you therefore saying that it's just as effective as a water enema for constipation relief, but comes with the added bonus of cleansing your liver (and having a bunch of other positive side effects)?



Sorry.


From what i understood in my "research", water enemas can help perastalsis aswell and someone mentioned on this forum before that some bodybuilders had to do 3 water enemas a day to regain regular/normal bowel movements again after w/e they abused (i do NOT recommend doing that many tho).

Coffee enemas are more stimulating and put the liver into overdrive in terms of enzyme production. If it has an even greater or better effect at getting the muscles to move again idk.

The question is and should be what is causing the chronic constipiation in the first place. Mechanicly flushing the colon out may not be the solution.
Eating normally, massaging the abdomen and stop eating w/e caused discomfort led to normal movements eventually for me. But i have to say my constipation didnt last longer than 1-2 weeks and it was induced due to the diet experiment i did.

Some others managed to get rid of it with pro- and prebiotics. Others with diet. And some just said they had to drink more water... so the question is, what is the cause imo (bacteria? gut microbiome dysbiosis? parasites?) I don't believe enemas every day/every week long term is a good thing (just my opinion tho).


Water enemas do not have to be held in i think? I mean you just put the water in there to "flush" out what is currently "in there" at that particular moment. You are not using the water to absorb something specific (unless you added something to it).
And unless you realy used perfect filtered water, i wouldn't realy want to "keep" the water in there for to long either tbh ...
 

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None of that works for the size of Tape worms I have, I have tried it all, over many years. Ive even taken fenbendazole and heaps of other things. Nothing touched them till I found the process I am now doing. The mucous needs to go first, they hide behind it, so working carefully the way I am Im slowly dropping the numbers, many are over 40 years old and huge.

"None of that works".

I'm pretty sure you haven't tried Iodine enemas.
If so, how much Lugol's did you use in the enema?

It gets rid of mucous, that's the point.
You can't get rid of it with oral intake.
 

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"None of that works".

I'm pretty sure you haven't tried Iodine enemas.
If so, how much Lugol's did you use in the enema?

It gets rid of mucous, that's the point.
You can't get rid of it with oral intake.
Well you are pretty sure I havnt - well I have, as I said I have tried it all. I am nit a novice, I am a trained proffessional.

Yes have done via enema. It is not strong enough to acheive what I did go on to acheive.
 

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Well you are pretty sure I havnt - well I have, as I said I have tried it all. I am nit a novice, I am a trained proffessional.

Yes have done via enema. It is not strong enough to acheive what I did go on to acheive.

So, again, how much Lugol's did you use in the enema?
 
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