1. **NEW Mini Body Light** MBL1 - Orange & Red Light Therapy Mini Body Light
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Cholesterol Powder
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Pau D'arco Bark
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Metabasoap - Handcrafted Soap
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Cocoa Butter - Organic & Fair Trade Certified
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  6. Charcoal Soap - For Deep Cleansing
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  7. Orange & Red Light Therapy Device - LGS1
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice
  8. Cascara Sagrada Powder From Farmalabor In Italy
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice

Cistanche

Discussion in 'Supplements, Pharmaceutical Drugs' started by Wagner83, Jul 29, 2017.

  1. Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,056
    Gender:
    Male
    Herba Cistanche (Rou Cong-Rong): One of the Best Pharmaceutical Gifts of Traditional Chinese Medicine
    That sounds pretty good! I enjoyed using Tongkat ali and combining both could be very nice, however I'm curious about cistanche effects on its own , lots of very interesting properties there.
    It indudes steroidogenic enzymes in the testes, 3B-HSD, 5a-reductase-2, aldo-keto reductase, shortens latent period of penis erection, increases cGMP levels in smooth muscles, prevents adrenal cortical atrophy among other things.
    @TubZy @haidut (some components in it may be interesting)
     
  2. Lokzo

    Lokzo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Naturopath
    Location:
    Melbourne
    This definitely deserves way more attention. Back when I tried it, it gave me massive amounts of drive and libido. Did you end up getting your hands on a decent extract?
     
  3. OP
    Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,056
    Gender:
    Male
    No, superman herbs should be good but is expensive. There's also barlowe's herbal elixirs. Let us know if you try it again, what brand did you use?
     
  4. Lokzo

    Lokzo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Naturopath
    Location:
    Melbourne
    I'll certainly report back if I try it again. I was using Cistanche from a company in NZ called Shaman.co.nz -
     
  5. Lokzo

    Lokzo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Naturopath
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Re-tried this, using Jing Herbs, and must say that after rebuilding my Kidney Yin Jing, using Kidney Yang tonics like Cistanche, subjectively feel ultra motivating/Androgenic.
    Had some this morning, and it feels quite intense, but not in a dirty kind of way. Just really deeply energising.
     
  6. Lejeboca

    Lejeboca Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2017
    Messages:
    110
    What are your dosage of Cistanche ? Thanks!
    The article quoted by OP @Wagner83 does not mention doses for the studies it mentions/reviews, while Cistanche - Wikipedia mentions high doses when it enumerates the benefits, which all look impressive, indeed.
     
  7. Wolf

    Wolf Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    165
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Vagrant/Tradesman
    Location:
    USA
    Always preferred Cistanche over long Jack.
    Getting it from Chinatown in its whole form is best for me.
     
  8. OP
    Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,056
    Gender:
    Male
    The feedback online is underwhelming, people reportquickly diminishing effects or none at all. I'm still interested in it but I'm not sure what source to pick, lostempireofherbs is way too expensive. A decent quantity could be needed so life extension standardized extract in caps may not be ideal either. It's probably one of those herbs which could be spiked if it's even cistanche in the first place.
     
  9. Wolf

    Wolf Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    165
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Vagrant/Tradesman
    Location:
    USA
    Buy the whole herb. I don't trust any herb in a capsule besides ginger.
     
  10. Lokzo

    Lokzo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Naturopath
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Cistanche Tubulosa is incredibly dopaminergic and Anti-serotonin.
    Just started using it again, and can't believe how motivating it is. I feel wired and sharp. Deepens my voice and feels HIGHLY androgenic.
    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2017/3925903/
     
  11. OP
    Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,056
    Gender:
    Male
    Thanks. Do the effects wear off fast? The feedback online is so poor I don't feel like investing.
     
  12. Bobber Anderson

    Bobber Anderson Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2017
    Messages:
    270
    Gender:
    Male
    I've also had very good results from cistanche. I like it better than all of the other herbs that I have tried over the years. I buy mine from 'rawforestfoods'. Cistanche, for me, pumps the member and puts libido into a higher gear. It's definitely a sex herb. I don't know what it does to hormones but there doesn't appear to be anything that feels subjectively stressful about it.

    I even paird it with estroban (which forces estrogen into the lower end of things) and it complemented cistanche very well. No loss of libido or sexual function. So perhaps it's effects are driven by androgens.

    So it just makes me horny all the time. Thats pretty much it really.

    Herbs that, for me, truly are snake oil:

    Pine pollen: tried all the brands. Just made me aggressive. Doesn't make me happy and horny.

    Deer antler: not even sure what it does. I spent a fortune on getting the most potent surthrival brand. No effects.

    Maca: has never done anything reliable or good. What does it do? All brands tried. Chronic dosing tried.

    Mucuna: another one that just made me aggressive. Horrible.

    There have been others lol
     
  13. OP
    Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,056
    Gender:
    Male
    Maca is an expensive and exotic raw turnip powder.
    Do the effects wear off over time or do the benefits continue as long as you use cistanche? How much do you take?
     
  14. Dave Clark

    Dave Clark Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2017
    Messages:
    495
    Gender:
    Male
    This is one of the extracts I use: Cistanche Stem Extract Powder Rou Cong Rong This is a good company with quality products, been buying from them for a few years with no problems. They are prompt on answering product questions.
     
  15. Lokzo

    Lokzo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Naturopath
    Location:
    Melbourne
    From my experience, I can't use Cistanche more than 2-3 days in a row. It makes me too energetic and can't focus on work due to the libido being so strong. I find the effects even linger a few days after taking it.

    It certainly revs up the dopaminergic axis.

    I know from a TCM perspective they advise building Yin Jing first, so I think combining with Goji Berry extract is a clever idea.

    It also has some minor laxative effects btw.
     
  16. Momado965

    Momado965 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2016
    Messages:
    310
    Gender:
    Male

    How long did it take for you to rebuild kidney yin and what did you take for it?
     
  17. Momado965

    Momado965 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2016
    Messages:
    310
    Gender:
    Male

    Havent been able to find a good tongkat ali supplement; where did you source you tongkat ali?
     
  18. Lokzo

    Lokzo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Naturopath
    Location:
    Melbourne
    It took me around 2 months to fully restore Kidney Yin Jing. I was using predominantly Prepared Rehmannia, Dendrobium, Cordyceps (Sporadically, as this can also rejuvenate Yang) and Goji Extract.


    Now I am using less Yin Tonics and more Yang tonics, and all I can say is that it has potentiated the Yang tonics. Cordyceps is incredibly energising and pro-libido. Cistanche (Rou Cong Rong) is on a whole different level. I have never tried a herb that produces such profound androgenic effects before.
     
  19. Momado965

    Momado965 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2016
    Messages:
    310
    Gender:
    Male

    Wow thats fantastic! Suberb in fact. Do you think using rehmannia and fo ti is enough? The shaman company you speak of is fantastic. I tried their rhodiola before and was very destressing. I really calm on it.
     
  20. Lokzo

    Lokzo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Naturopath
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Makes sense, if Genghis Kahn used Cistanche daily, I can't imagine how masculine he would've felt.

    Rehmannia and Fo Ti seems viable. But I am too scared to go anywhere near Fo ti (Even prepared form) as I still think it's risky for the liver.

    Great to hear RE: Rhodiola.