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It used to be the case that contrails would form under a narrow set of atmospheric conditions, but the government put fuel efficiency mandates on aircraft, just like they do cars, and the high bypass fan engines that were developed as a result of that produce contrails at a much greater range of altitude and temperature than the old gas-guzzling aircraft of the 70s and 80s. The industry knows that this is a problem, and the increase in contrails form more clouds, and yeah, it influences atmospheric conditions, weather etc.. Problem is, they have no clue how to fix it. So they ignore it, and rely on the chemtrail conspirators to make the general population think it's all crazy talk and there is no real problem. And since the general population now tunes out any discussion of atmospheric spraying, the real actual targeted spraying that is done such as the cloud seeding all the major cities engage in, and the testing the military does, and probably all the HAARP mods etc, is completely ignored.
do you have a source? I think modern high bypass turbofans actually produce less contrails. The additional air flow dilutes the water vapor in the exhaust.
 
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Yes thank you I was was hoping to incite you into providing some studies and hard data.

I don't buy into the idea that testing farm soil for aluminum content and finding elevated elvels is any indication that it is in the atmosphere. Firstly, remember that aluminum is the msot prevelant metal on earth by volume. It is goign to be found in soil everywhere, and in some places it is going to be elevated. It is also going to be highly elevated in farm soil because all of the more funcitonal minerals will be used up.

The bee theory is not in any way empriically verified, it is just a hypothesis, and seems a weaker argument then emf pollution which many have conclusively determined to be the root cause of the decline in bee pollination.

the women who is a "leaker" seems like a staged actor to me, something is very unnatural and scripted about her voice. That is jsut my interpretation though.

USGS P 1270: Element Concentrations in Soils and Other Surficial Materials of the Conterminous United States Look at the levels deemed normal here, and you will see that a lot of indpeendent sil tests people are doing are almost all in line with the recommended levels.

Ina griculture it is commonly known that too much aluminum in the soil will be hard on crops, adn rememebr that as the msot abundant metal it is essentially everywhere. So in order to grow more crops in more places, and especially with an increasing population, an aluminum reisstance gene is propfitbale business and does not implicate furhter augmented aluminum levels.
Does Ray have any recommendations for Stockholm Syndrome?
 

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Does Ray have any recommendations for Stockholm Syndrome?

Usually when making a jibe like that you're going to want to be clear that you actually have established some part of your theory as having been empirically justified.

When you tell me that all the evidence is there, and posit yourself as if debate and discussion are senseless (though never is)

What happens is you sound like an unscientific buffoon detracting from the credibility of he and his peers
 
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Usually when making a jibe like that you're going to want to be clear that you actually have established some part of your theory as having been empirically justified.

When you tell me that all the evidence is there, and posit yourself as if debate and discussion are senseless (though never is)

What happens is you sound like an unscientific buffoon detracting from the credibility of he and his peers
sorry for being rude to you :( I`m sorry buddy
 

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chem trails are real
professor James McCanney has done work on this and its patents
examples of the actual spray equipment and pilot confessions are available
Monsanto appears to be behind it with sinister intent, re genetic modification of agriculture and them then owning it
Plus making our immunity less
Is there mass die off planed?
A new more toxic blew is being now sprayed
Take more progesterone for one
 
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chem trails are real
professor James McCanney has done work on this and its patents
examples of the actual spray equipment and pilot confessions are available
Monsanto appears to be behind it with sinister intent, re genetic modification of agriculture and them then owning it
Plus making our immunity less
Is there mass die off planed?
A new more toxic blew is being now sprayed
Take more progesterone for one
why would we take more progesterone?
 

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Usually when making a jibe like that you're going to want to be clear that you actually have established some part of your theory as having been empirically justified.
When you tell me that all the evidence is there, and posit yourself as if debate and discussion are senseless (though never is)
What happens is you sound like an unscientific buffoon detracting from the credibility of he and his peers
Do you mean jibes like calling everyone who believes in this is a crackpot?
You realize that believing in such a theory with so little evidence makes you not just a crackpot, but a very bad scientist?

You first claim that there is no evidence that aluminum and barium levels have increased and there is "not one" whistle blower that has come out on this. When I present you with five different sources that say otherwise, you come up with a series of nonsensical reasons to dismiss them:
The whistle blower is an actor or reading from a script. Yeah there is just so much to gain from falsely claiming chemtrails exist.
There is no empirical evidence for the bee theory. The theory would be that that the aluminum is causing the loss of the bees. It is an empirical fact that they have measured high aluminum levels in bees. Where do you think this is coming from?
Aluminum is naturally present in high concentrations. Yes in certain areas like an aluminum mine but not in those areas where it never was before. These farmers have had their soils tested many times in the past and are only in the last decades seeing these dangerously high levels. Others have shown similar unexplained increases in aluminum and other heavy metal concentrations.
Talk about unscientific buffoonary.
 
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chem trails are real
professor James McCanney has done work on this and its patents
examples of the actual spray equipment and pilot confessions are available
Monsanto appears to be behind it with sinister intent, re genetic modification of agriculture and them then owning it
Plus making our immunity less
Is there mass die off planed?
A new more toxic blew is being now sprayed
Take more progesterone for one

Evidence please
 

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denk je dat met een partij kartel waar Rutte de leiding heeft, zoiets geheim gehouden kan worden? tuurlijk is dit niet doelbewust door de overheid gerealiseerd. Bill Clinton wist niet eens zn minnares geheim te houden, hoe verwacht je dat een actie op zo'n grote schaal omtrent chemtrails dat wel blijft...

for non- dutch people,
It is impossible for a government to withhold this secret from the public, bill clinton could't even manage to keep his affair a secret, so how can a operation as big as chemtrails be a secret...
 
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denk je dat met een partij kartel waar Rutte de leiding heeft, zoiets geheim gehouden kan worden? tuurlijk is dit niet doelbewust door de overheid gerealiseerd. Bill Clinton wist niet eens zn minnares geheim te houden, hoe verwacht je dat een actie op zo'n grote schaal omtrent chemtrails dat wel blijft...

for non- dutch people,
It is impossible for a government to withhold this secret from the public, bill clinton could't even manage to keep his affair a secret, so how can a operation as big as chemtrails be a secret...

Heb paar vragen om te stellen ..
 
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denk je dat met een partij kartel waar Rutte de leiding heeft, zoiets geheim gehouden kan worden? tuurlijk is dit niet doelbewust door de overheid gerealiseerd. Bill Clinton wist niet eens zn minnares geheim te houden, hoe verwacht je dat een actie op zo'n grote schaal omtrent chemtrails dat wel blijft...

for non- dutch people,
It is impossible for a government to withhold this secret from the public, bill clinton could't even manage to keep his affair a secret, so how can a operation as big as chemtrails be a secret...
"Gunter glieben glauchen globen" for those non-Def Leppard fans that means argument by analogy is never a good idea.
Look into the Manhattan Project
 

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the cloud seeding all the major cities engage in

This is pretty ridiculous. If there were secret weather control programs the silver ions would be pretty easily detected.

There were tons of experiments with cloud seeding in the 50s in America, with the clear finding that it's not very useful. I have only heard of it being used by the Chinese during the olympics in recent years.
 

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This is pretty ridiculous. If there were secret weather control programs the silver ions would be pretty easily detected.

There were tons of experiments with cloud seeding in the 50s in America, with the clear finding that it's not very useful. I have only heard of it being used by the Chinese during the olympics in recent years.
they are not cloud seeding nor are they using silver. That would be pretty expensive if that were the case.
 
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It used to be the case that contrails would form under a narrow set of atmospheric conditions, but the government put fuel efficiency mandates on aircraft, just like they do cars, and the high bypass fan engines that were developed as a result of that produce contrails at a much greater range of altitude and temperature than the old gas-guzzling aircraft of the 70s and 80s. The industry knows that this is a problem, and the increase in contrails form more clouds, and yeah, it influences atmospheric conditions, weather etc.. Problem is, they have no clue how to fix it. So they ignore it, and rely on the chemtrail conspirators to make the general population think it's all crazy talk and there is no real problem. And since the general population now tunes out any discussion of atmospheric spraying, the real actual targeted spraying that is done such as the cloud seeding all the major cities engage in, and the testing the military does, and probably all the HAARP mods etc, is completely ignored.

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