Che Guevara: The Myth And The Reality

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Yet another history-promoted lie.

A former medical student turned bloodthirsty psychopath.

 

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Great talk and Humberto is really entertaining, I remember this from an earlier post of yours. Reminds me to get his books.
 

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CIA declassified documents demonstrates how she is responsible for his death. He was an important enemy. Nelson Mandela liked him, principally because he supported his struggle against imperialism, against massacres and against racism/ supremacism.
Che Guevara, the revolutionary killed thanks to the CIA with the help of Bolivia, which had a CIA backed president and fought against imperialism in other countries, fought US imperialism. Was a CIA actor?!?
 

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@MatheusPN Nelson Mandela was another mass murderer. He didn't even stop at children. He is responsible for bombings in churches and malls.

3 Things You Didn’t (Want To) Know About Nelson Mandela | The Backbencher
Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.

[edit: this is partly false, sorry]
 
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@MatheusPN Nelson Mandela was another mass murderer. He didn't even stop at children. He is responsible for bombings in churches and malls.

3 Things You Didn’t (Want To) Know About Nelson Mandela | The Backbencher
Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.
The government was racist and extremely corrupt. If you know someone from Africa, they will generally blame the violence or the massacres on the police or some terrorist organization. Like in Nigeria where the Army killed 1000 disarmed ppl who where praying.
South Africa was in war, with lots of massacres, the violence was extreme, BLM riots is baby food, both sides committed some bad acts. Your quote is saying that the people he helped to form to combat the segregation did the bad acts, not him directly. But is implying more.

Does anyone here have any proof of him intentionally making bombings to kill innocent people?

About the Umkhonto we Sizwe, the MK:
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Your quote is saying that the people he helped to form to combat the segregation did the bad acts, not him directly.

You are right, I linked a wrong article. Sorry for that. It's not proven but merely claimed to have been with his consent/involvement while he was in prison. But it's his organization and they were deliberately targeting public places with lots of civilians.

uMkhonto we Sizwe - Wikipedia
1960s—1970s[edit]
In June 1961, Mandela sent a letter to South African newspapers warning the government that a campaign of sabotage would be launched unless the government agreed to call for a national constitutional convention.[7] Beginning on 16 December 1961, the campaign by uMkhonto we Sizwe with Mandela as its leader, was launched, with bomb attacks on government targets and planned for possible guerrilla warfare.[8] The first target of the campaign was an electricity sub-station. uMkhonto we Sizwe undertook other acts of sabotage in the next eighteen months. The government alleged more acts of sabotage had been carried out and at the Rivonia Trial the accused would be charged with 193 acts of sabotage in total.[9] The sabotage included attacks on government posts, machines and power facilities, and crop burning.[7]

In 1962, Mandela went to Algeria, Egypt and Ghana to get international backing for the group. After returning to South Africa, Joe Slovo reportedly complained that they had "sent [Mandela] off to Africa a Communist and he came back an African nationalist".[10]

In December 1962, Looksmart Ngudle and Denis Goldberg helped to organise a training camp held at Mamre, outside Cape Town, later recognised as the first MK training centre inside South Africa; however it had to be abandoned early due to Security Police interest.[11]

The early 1970s were a low point for the ANC in many ways, including in the military sphere. Attempts to rebuild uMkhonto we Sizwe inside South Africa resulted in many losses, though some members, including Chris Hani, were able to remain undetected for a long period.[citation needed]

The Soweto Uprising of 1976 led to a large exodus of young black men and women. Anxious to strike back at the apartheid regime, they crossed the border to Rhodesia to seek military training. While uMkhonto we Sizwe were able to rebuild an army—one capable of attacking prestigious targets such as the refineries at Sasolburg (with assistance from the Provisional Irish Republican Army)[12]

1980s: Bombings[edit]

List of attacks attributed to MK and compiled by the Committee for South African War Resistance (COSAWR) between 1980 and 1983.
1983: Church Street bombing[edit]
In 1983, the Church Street bomb was detonated in Pretoria near the Air Force headquarters, resulting in 19 deaths and 217 injuries.[13]

1985: Amanzimtoti bombing[edit]
In the 1985 Amanzimtoti bombing on the Natal South Coast, five civilians were killed and 40 were injured when uMkhonto we Sizwe cadre Andrew Sibusiso Zondo detonated an explosive in a rubbish bin at a shopping centre shortly before Christmas. In a submission to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), the ANC stated that Zondo's act, though "understandable" as a response to a recent South African Defence Force raid in Lesotho, was not in line with ANC policy. Zondo was executed in 1986.[14]

1986: Durban beach-front bombing[edit]
In the 1986 Durban beach-front bombing, a bomb was detonated in a bar, killing three civilians and injuring 69. Robert McBride received the death penalty for this bombing, which became known as the "Magoo's Bar bombing".[15] McBride received amnesty and became a senior police officer.[citation needed]

1987: Johannesburg bombings[edit]
In 1987, an explosion outside a Johannesburg court killed three police officers and injured a further 15; a court in Newcastle had been attacked in a similar way the previous year, injuring 24. Also in 1987, a bomb exploded at a military command centre in Johannesburg, killing one person and injuring 68 personnel.[citation needed]

Other bombings[edit]
The armed struggle continued with attacks on a series of soft targets, including a bank in Roodepoort in 1988, in which four civilians were killed and 18 injured. Also in 1988, a bomb outside a magistrate's court killed three. At the Ellis Park rugby stadium in Johannesburg, a car bomb killed two and injured 37 civilians. A multitude[16] of bombs at restaurants and fast food outlets, including Wimpy Bars,[17] and supermarkets occurred during the late 1980s, killing and wounding many people. Wimpy were specifically targeted because of their perceived rigid enforcements of many apartheid laws, including excluding non-whites from their restaurants.[citation needed]

1985—1987: Landmine campaign[edit]
From 1985 to 1987, there also was a campaign to place anti-tank mines on rural roads in what was then the Northern Transvaal. This tactic was abandoned due to the high rate of civilian casualties—especially amongst black labourers. The ANC estimated 30 landmine explosions resulting in 23 deaths, while the government submitted a figure of 57 explosions resulting in 25 deaths.[18]



Apart from that he was a sadist.

http://www.rhodesia.nl/rivoniaunmasked.pdf
A 94 page document, also in Mandela's handwriting, complements his diary, being notes on consultations with Algerian officers and other persons in North Africa during the period March 14th21st, 1962. Algerian officers mentioned by name are Dr Mostepai, Emmanuel Lune (leader of the Algerian rebellion), and Nicanov. Mandela met them in Rabat and Oudja in Morocco. Here Mandela made a study of the Algerian underground movement, its structure, its tactics, the methods by which the French attempted to crush the rebellion and the rebels' counter tactics. "(It is) absolutely important," Mandela writes, "that the person preparing the revolution should be unknown. Let legends be built up... To the people and the world the uprising must assume the character of a popular revolutionary movement. To the enemy it must appear as an uprising of a few only... There must be perfect harmony between the external delegation of the revolutionary movement and the High Command. Traitors and informers, says Mandela in this document, should be ruthlessly eliminated. He advocates cutting off their noses, pour encourager les autres.
 

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Its fine man ;)
The guy was a CIA enemy, was a USA enemy, If the great empires couldn't provide the necessary proofs that he was directly involved, then it tells a lot! And I like to see the context, massacres happened before and still happens. It was a place even more violent.

There were two sides, the oppressor (Apartheid) and the people who were against it.
Someone being against the government terrorism was a good thing. As far as methods, I wasn't there, how they would fight back?
It wasn't organized as a conventional army, it was much more unorganized, some important figures didn't know each other or barely knew, they were an anti-apartheid guerrilla, so people had their different beliefs, some probably were as bad as pro-apartheid people.

Would a guy that says to kill/ disfigure some Nazi traitor or informer, that is involved in the killing of his friends and parents be a bad guy or a sadist? Maybe pragmatic kkkkk. Certainly, if he affirmed the opposite he would be a very peaceful and good person.

CIA is known to spread misinformation, is know to support imperialism and terrorism.

WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) Tweeted:
How the CIA helped to arrest and imprison Nelson Mandela - Harper's Andrew Cockburn: https://t.co/Ff9YJ6bsD6
More: Search WikiLeaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/825245974687801344?s=20

Edward Snowden (@Snowden) Tweeted:
That time Nelson #Mandela and the #ANC used encryption to fight apartheid. Guess who declared them terrorists? https://t.co/iH6RltpdOh https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/702869270464700416?s=20

WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) Tweeted:
Secret #CIA report says Nelson Mandela's success shows that it's better to assassinate leaders than to imprison them http://t.co/K5EavwNbhp https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/545820362261688320?s=20

MintPress News (@MintPressNews) Tweeted:
US & UK still haven't apologized for their role in Nelson Mandela's arrest in 1962 Looking Back At Mandela's CIA Assisted 1962 Arrest @OccupyWallSt #RIPNelsonMandela https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/408783297280364544?s=20
 
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